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Revy avalanche

although I was not a the bottom of the hill when it came down I was in the area and got to whitness one amazing sight I arived with in 10 min. and everyone that was burried was un covered and there was a fire being started.
I would like to say thanks to all those heros. I post more later

Thanks Shane. I got calls for NY from people who met you when you visited me all asking for YOU. all concerned and happy that you were ok. Your story of what happened after the fact is gonna be interesting. Glad you're ok!!!
 
Great letter Suise. Every point made in that letter was right on!

What's the deal with this OT guy?

Sorry to the families and close friends who were affect by this. I know everyone is saying atleast they were doing something they loved to do. But in reality I know that doesn't help with any of the pain or feelings inside you have. Nothing said will seem to help the missing piece in your life. In time it won't go away but it will be easier to deal with.

Why is everyone trying to place blame? As sad as it sounds the poor gentlmen that have passed away are just as responsible as anyone. It doesn't matter if they are from the flat land or locals the ride in the Mountains all the time. They are the one's who made the personel decision to be in that position. If they were on a guided trip or something like that it would be a diffrent story. Then they would be paying for a service and maybe some sort of insurance that the person guiding them were responsible. The more people try to point fingers the more ammunition the opposing forces have. Who ever they may be from the gov. to a suburu driving nature lover.

If you load a gun at some point its more than likely that gun is going to go off. You let it dump snow for a couple days in a row and more than likely you are going to have a slide.
Its a risk you take. Along with taking that risk you should accept what ever responsibility that goes along with it.

I have had two good friends and my bestfriend all pass away in a avalanch. In diffrent times in my life. I myself have been buried twice. One of the people died was snowboarding in the Revy area. He was one of the best and most experienced snowboards ever! Craig Kelly Rip buddy! My bestfriend who happend to be my Dad. Who also had a tone of experience and knowledge. Over forty years. Love you Dad! And Sheila who might of been a person that might fall in the catagory of someone doing something she loved and trusting other people. Rip

As long as someone does not do something blatenly to harm another person. We all as sledders take risks. We should accept that responsibility!
 
I believe everyone is responsible for their own decision to go out when the avy warnings are high. It is about accepting risk, everyone rate's the risk differently. Was I there NO, would I have liked to be there Yes. I have rode in high avy times, and made a choice this time not too,as I cannot contol what the others on the hill will accept as risky or not. I didn't ride the weekend before, and have since cancelled another trip, but this one this weekend is cancelled so that I can attend Shay's funeral!
I was a friend of Shay's, worked with him, partied with him and even made the trip from Med. Hat to Daytona Bike week with him. Shay was a wonderful man, and a great friend! I as you Stacey would love to celebrate his life with a toast to him at the top of Turbo Hill! I would even like to have a Memorial Ride in Shay and Kurtis's honour! As long as this was not deemed to be another non-sanctioned event!
I would like to join Janine in this is not a blame game, O-zone Dave a number of years ago invited some buddies out to show what their sleds could do, it only grew from there. Is he wrong for that? I dont think so.
I have had a hard time with this as being a backcountry sledder, and Shay being the first friend I ever knew in a serious avy. It has made me look at how actually I preceive the avy warning when I am out there. I believe we should all learn from this, maybe look at doing a better job of the education of our fellow backcountry sledders. I have taken Avy training a couple years ago, but also know full well I will be taking more and refreshing the courses I have already taken prior to next season!!!
My heart goes out to the survivors of this terrible accident, as well as Shay and Kurtis's family and friends!!!
T.J.
 
A few thoughts to consider...

Get a comfy chair...this post is looonnnggg. :rolleyes:

Randy & I wish to forward our prayers to the many riders and families that are still trying to process everything that happened last Saturday. We can't begin to imagine the physical and emotional healing that will be necessary for many people connected to this huge accident. The ripples from this will last a long time. The blessing is that snowmobilers are a tight knit group and the support within our community has always been strong.

Hats off to the riders that quickly became rescuers. Multiple burials in close proximity are challenging. Controlling a large rescue group is also challenging. It was heartening to learn of the riders that were prepared with rescue tools and the knowledge of how to use them. The losses could have been so much greater...

We have had a chance to catch some of the media coverage, and a few pages on the online forums. Opinions are all over the map. This is to be expected. There is talk of legislating changes to backcountry use. As sledders, we need to settle down and recognize that the goal of the Government and other authorities is not to restrict our freedom to ride, their goal is to reduce injuries and the loss of life.

Don't we have the same goal?

Many in the general public have called for actually closing the backcountry when avalanche hazard is high. While this might prevent some accidents, without education the Open/Closed initiative would not prepare riders for the less likely, but nevertheless, possible avalanches that may occur during a lower hazard 'Open' day.

We truly believe, that as in many sports and workplace accidents, the key to prevention is in education rather than in the creation of new rules that are difficult and costly to enforce.
As a community we need to embrace avalanche training and learn to use the resources.

Avy education...! What for?! But I've got years of mountain experience and why waste good riding days?

Yeah I hear you...but, what if there was even one new idea, one good idea that would help you to assess and avoid high risks... wouldn't it be a great investment?!
If you're not so sure, ask your family or business partner if they think that a little more education would be a bad thing. Those that still think that it is a waste of time and money...take a moment to consider how costly an accident can be, time and money.

If you're still not convinced, read these comments from past avy class participants.
ZacsTracs: Testimonials

Randy and I are passionate mountain sledders that have been teaching throughout western Canada for the past 10 years. We've even taught a few classes in Idaho and Washington and collaborated with educators from across Canada, the US, Sweden and Switzerland. Our knowledge and passion for motorized sports comes from years of serious off-road riding and racing of bikes, four wheel drives and sleds. Stock and modified. We are no strangers to turbos, nitrous, race fuels and other modifications. Randy has made sure of this!

We rode in the mountains for years without any avalanche training. We were certain that 'some skier' would just tell us that we were irrational and simply shouldn't be riding steep slopes. Once we were seated, we were humbled to find a sledder full of stories of close calls and fatalities, clearly showing us that many of these accidents were predictable and preventable. (BTW following the evening class we promptly went out and bought avalanche probes!)

The biggest thing we learned: being avy savvy doesn't mean we can't have fun.

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Small changes to our riding habits can cut out a huge amount of unnecessary risk. We can still enjoy climbing steep slopes however education will help us to see the patterns and recognize the hazards. Timing is important and terrain is everything.

For those that are interested we have summarized a few points covered in the 16 hr AST1 program that may help riders and non-riders appreciate that it is possible to be a serious mountain rider and hill-climber without being viewed as 'reckless'.


We invite you to read on...never know, there might be something new. Even one new idea may make all the difference some day.

-There are 1000's of sledders out every week that are enjoying backcountry riding without incident.

-If a person looks at a typical season there are substantially more days when the slopes are stable compared to when they are unstable. Mother Nature DOES put up STOP signs. However, they are not red and octagon so it is up to each rider to get educated to recognize the nature's signs of instability.

-The number of snowmobilers seeking avalanche training is increasing every year. For example, Zac's Tracs worked with almost 1100 snowmobilers in tradeshows, seminars and full weekend courses this season, three times more than just two seasons ago.

-The whole community benefits from increased avalanche training. Our individual safety is often impacted by those we choose to ride with and other groups in our riding area.

-Choices of 'if and where to go' should be based on the current avalanche conditions, not strictly on our past knowledge of a particular slope or riding area.

-Riders need to question what were the significant weather events this season that may have created weak layers in the snowpack?

-Every season is different. We need to base our choices on what is happening in our riding area on THIS DAY in THIS SEASON.

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-Avalanches are not just a hill-climber's problem. It doesn't matter if you only ride the groomed trails. Many snowmobile trails and play areas pass through avalanche path run out zones. All riders need education.

-Education gives riders the tools to gather reliable information needed to identify risky behavior and situations, recognize available options and make informed choices to minimize the hazards.

-Trip planning tools such as the Public Avalanche Bulletins and the Avaluator, are the minimum resources that all backcountry travelers should use. These resources, and more, are freely available at
www.avalanche.ca/sled Bulletins are also available by calling 1-800-667-1105
(Similar materials are available for the United States at Avalanche.org - Home Page ).

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-Avalanche Bulletins highlight the weather forecast, significant weak layers in the snowpack, observations of recent avalanche activity, and offer travel advice based on the current conditions.

-Avalanche Bulletins should be read line by line. It is the text that helps guide our decisions. To minimize our risk we can choose to avoid exposing ourselves to areas similar to those where avalanches are forecast or reported to be occurring.

-Risk can also be reduced by choosing lower consequence terrain. While steepness is a factor, other characteristics to consider are: escape routes, terrain traps, overall size of slope, and common weak points.

-Here is one way to consider risk:
Risk = Probability x Consequence x Exposure

-Practicing safe travel habits in avalanche terrain does not mean we can't climb steep slopes, however we do need to learn to PICK AND CHOOSE.

These are just some of the choices that we can make:
  • if we are going
  • who we are going with
  • the day we are going
  • time of day
  • purpose or expectations for our trip
  • the community
  • the staging area
  • the elevation band (Alpine, Treeline, Below Treeline)
  • the aspect (direction the slopes face)
  • the slope
  • the route
  • the time spent in the exposed area
and the list goes on. Training helps us recognize these options and make the best choices for our riding group.

-the Avaluator is a trip planning tool that guides users to acknowledge the current conditions and the seriousness of the terrain before setting out for the day.

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-Once in the snow the Avaluator also reminds users to be on the lookout for 'Obvious Clues' of hazardous situations. ALPTRUth helps us remember the 7 obvious clues.
For more info about ALPTRUth "CLICK HERE":ZacsTracs: Obvious Clues

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-The use of tools such as the Avaluator help backcountry travelers to resist the pressures to 'get caught up in the moment'. We need to be sure that our choices on the slope are within the parameters that our group deemed as 'rational and reasonable' during our planning phases.
For more info about Human Factors and F.A.C.E.T.S. "CLICK HERE":Helpful Avalanche Safety Acronyms: ALP TRUTh and FACETS | Backcountry Beacon

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*Great job to Powder Project from Wyoming for including the information related to ALPTRUth and FACETS in an earlier post on SnoWest.*

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Sorry for this long-winded post. But this accident has the potential to seriously affect our future mountain access. It is time for a shift in our thinking. It needs to come from within our community and not be legislated.
 
Thanks Lori.

Your training has changed the way I ride and the way our group rides. I have more fun now than I ever had before. Your training has given me and the friends in my group the ability and confindence to ride in some of the most extreme avy conditions and yet maintain safe riding habits. Extreme avy conditions typically means there is tons of fresh snow which makes for some incredible riding and its your training and awareness that has helped our group do it right and enjoy the backcountry. You and Randy provide a life saving service and I take every opportunity to promote it. Please keep it up!

Darren
 
Well written Suzie! I completely agree.

My name is Paul Nadeau and I have been racing/riding a snowmobile since the early '70's. Oval,ice,grass,pavement,crosscountry and hillclimbs, all over B.C. to Jackson Hole, Wyoming to Valdez, Alaska. My forteen year old son has been riding since he was two.

This past week we were riding all over Revelstoke's backcountry and I would like to sincerely thank the "TSS family" for the wonderful backcountry tour they gave us. You guys are amazing!

We too were at Turbo Hill and the co-operation and determination between the people working together to rescue friends and family was incredible. These people are true heroes. They should not be ridiculed but honoured.

The majority of the riders had the proper equipment for backcountry riding; avalanche bags, beacons, probes, shovels, assorted first aid equipment and knowledge. Only because of this many people were rescued.

Why blame anyone for this accident? There already is enough hurt and anger. We need to educate more on backcountry snowmobiling, avalanches, safety equipment and it's use.

Everyone would not have been at Turbo Hill on Saturday if we knew that it was going to slide. It was an accident, we were all there because we wanted to be.

MY HEART AND FEELINGS TO EVERYONE INVOLVED.

#18 Paul Nadeau
 
Well written Suzie! I completely agree.

My name is Paul Nadeau and I have been racing/riding a snowmobile since the early '70's. Oval,ice,grass,pavement,crosscountry and hillclimbs, all over B.C. to Jackson Hole, Wyoming to Valdez, Alaska. My forteen year old son has been riding since he was two.

This past week we were riding all over Revelstoke's backcountry and I would like to sincerely thank the "TSS family" for the wonderful backcountry tour they gave us. You guys are amazing!

We too were at Turbo Hill and the co-operation and determination between the people working together to rescue friends and family was incredible. These people are true heroes. They should not be ridiculed but honoured.

The majority of the riders had the proper equipment for backcountry riding; avalanche bags, beacons, probes, shovels, assorted first aid equipment and knowledge. Only because of this many people were rescued.

Why blame anyone for this accident? There already is enough hurt and anger. We need to educate more on backcountry snowmobiling, avalanches, safety equipment and it's use.

Everyone would not have been at Turbo Hill on Saturday if we knew that it was going to slide. It was an accident, we were all there because we wanted to be.

MY HEART AND FEELINGS TO EVERYONE INVOLVED.

#18 Paul Nadeau

Sorry, but the avalanche reports were enough to state that Turbo COULD slide! This was an unfortunate and devistating accident, but by no means unpreventable.
 
We need to educate more on backcountry snowmobiling, avalanches, safety equipment and it's use.

Everyone would not have been at Turbo Hill on Saturday if we knew that it was going to slide. It was an accident, we were all there because we wanted to be.


#18 Paul Nadeau

I think I understand how you must be feeling but if you took your own advice, I think it would see the problem with your second statement.
 
Okay heres what happened to me on sat, Met at the cabin 9 am met with the boys listened to ozone and what he was doing and thought that the drag race sounded fun but the sugar bowl sounded to open for that kind of day so I went to the race bowl lined up with the boys (those 1200 doos are fast) for a good 2 to 3 hours of racing then I headed to the air port were the snow was deep but the chutes are narrow so they hold the snow well so we started climbing I got stuck in the first chute I tried thought I had it and lifted and sunk in 8 ft of powder right at the top my buds came and got me over the top (thank you) went to the bottom and most everyone was gone so I asked if they would get me out if I tried agin and they said they would so I climbed it and met them on the top and then we went to the bull pen.
When I got to the bull pen I pulla little in the powder and my track ratched and I had broke my limiter straps so I jumped on my other sled and made a pull and just launched and bailed off after I got down everyone was gone.
when I came up out of the bull pen there was 20 people waiting there then some one said they were going to the lakes so I fallowed, on my way there I noticed that the limiters on sled #2 were also broke so I was not in a hurry to go anywhere and the snow was untracked and very deep so I started to just play in the pow. the last hill before you drop into turbo instead of turning left I went right as there was alot of fresh to the right so I and 2 other good freinds were making tracks when troy got stuck I went back to help and then Dallas came over and parked we got Troy out and dallas and I looked over at the hill and noticed that it had slid and there were no sleds running that ment they were in surch mode. so we headed over. When I pulled up Dave tryed to stop me and I walked right threw him with my shovel and beacon, by the time We got there to help everyone was already out of the snow. but they continued to probe and dig. We decided to get as many sleds out that we could and get them running so we did.
I want to say this is a very sad tragity, But it should not change the way we enjoy the back country maybe the way we look at it but not the freedom of choice of how we use it. everyone there made there own choice to be there no one was being paid or paid to be there other than for a trail pass.
 
I generally dont say much on her but what the hell, here is a scenerio, you buy tickets for the family to disneyland, flying out dec 15th 4 pm. Your on a budget, so you fly from Vancouver instead of Ktown, save a few bucks, When you wake up 6am 15 dec, it has snowed 2 feet on the coquihalla and MOH recommends dont travel cause of conditons unless emergency. Do you check the tire pressure on the studded tires on the old 4x4, check oils,fluids, pack a couple blankets,load up the family and go, or stay home and kiss the trip goodbye. Everything can go ok... or some unexpecting suv with allterrain tires can do endo's infront of u and cause a horrific ACCIDENT. yes maybe some were parked in the wrong spot for avy runout, maybe some should not have been hming around, maybe some had no business being there, but..., **** happens boys and girls. Education and respect of the back country is the key. Deal with it best u can. May all those affected have peace. Please, please please. G
 
We need to educate more on backcountry snowmobiling, avalanches, safety equipment and it's use.

Everyone would not have been at Turbo Hill on Saturday if we knew that it was going to slide. It was an accident, we were all there because we wanted to be.

Paul, I'm curious, and maybe you don't know the answer or can't express it, but why were you there? Did you not know about the extreme avy warnings for last weekend and the 3 weekends before? Did you not see the signs in the parking areas and trail heads telling of the extremely high avy danger? Did you and the people you were with discuss the avy conditions and such.

I'm not being a dick here, I'm just curious how you missed it, I find myself wondering how so many people who have obviously received at least basic avy training could have made the choices that landed them there. And I wonder if it is a situation I could find myself in.

sled_guy
 
Prayers to all sledders and families involved. I have lived through an avy aftermath for the last 6+ years. Lost best friend in 2003. Found the next day. Since that time most backcountry riders are prepared for these types of accidents. Hats off to all involved in the search and rescue.:grouphug:

May we all learn again to check avy sites for our local riding areas.


Lets all ride safe for the rest of the year and when we get to that last bit of powder take a moment and remember our friends and fellow sledders that are looking down on us and smiling.

If ya don't mind us askin'...who is this?
 
When I started, I was lucky to climb anything.

I was evidently quite safe. I bought and built better sleds, till I can climb most anything. All I wanted to do was climb, afterall I have the sled for it.
In the last two years I've seen slides and sad results. It's rare that I can find a good safe climb anymore. My sled's for sale. Back to boondocking. I want to learn to ride like Brett Rasmasson in Schooled instead.

The point is the sleds we ride today can get you on a way steeper slope, a slope that is often unsafe. Don't the turbo sleds climb everything? What are we going to build next? Jet engine sleds? It's time to ride the mountains for other reasons. There's a lot of cool fun out there, and I for one don't need over 150 hp to do it. I'm going back to stock and my mind was made up before the Turbo Avy. I'll still be looking for the adrenaline rush. It was easy on a big climb.

Owen
 
Paul, I'm curious, and maybe you don't know the answer or can't express it, but why were you there? Did you not know about the extreme avy warnings for last weekend and the 3 weekends before? Did you not see the signs in the parking areas and trail heads telling of the extremely high avy danger? Did you and the people you were with discuss the avy conditions and such.

I'm not being a dick here, I'm just curious how you missed it, I find myself wondering how so many people who have obviously received at least basic avy training could have made the choices that landed them there. And I wonder if it is a situation I could find myself in.

sled_guy
The avy conditions were brutal all last year and have been unstable much of this year as well. But that doesn't mean I haven't been riding. I have, however, very much changed where and how I ride. It is absolutely imperative to properly manage your terrain in ANY conditions. Am I perfect? Hell no.... but I am taking far fewer risks than I used to and still having a blast out there.... :)
I was evidently quite safe. I bought and built better sleds, till I can climb most anything. All I wanted to do was climb, afterall I have the sled for it.
In the last two years I've seen slides and sad results. It's rare that I can find a good safe climb anymore. My sled's for sale. Back to boondocking. I want to learn to ride like Brett Rasmasson in Schooled instead.

The point is the sleds we ride today can get you on a way steeper slope, a slope that is often unsafe. Don't the turbo sleds climb everything? What are we going to build next? Jet engine sleds? It's time to ride the mountains for other reasons. There's a lot of cool fun out there, and I for one don't need over 150 hp to do it. I'm going back to stock and my mind was made up before the Turbo Avy. I'll still be looking for the adrenaline rush. It was easy on a big climb.

Owen
Couldn't agree more... a few years ago I was just a dumb city kid on a huge sled that wanted to climb everything...... since then I have learned to challenge myself in other ways on the hill, and now am having more fun than ever and at much lower consequences when things go wrong! The problem is that pretty much any idiot can buy a high power sled & point-and-shoot.... but riding in the trees etc. takes some serious skill. Encourage the others in your group to work on these skills instead of banging away at that monster hill and we will all be that much safer out there!!!
 
I generally dont say much on her but what the hell, here is a scenerio, you buy tickets for the family to disneyland, flying out dec 15th 4 pm. Your on a budget, so you fly from Vancouver instead of Ktown, save a few bucks, When you wake up 6am 15 dec, it has snowed 2 feet on the coquihalla and MOH recommends dont travel cause of conditons unless emergency. Do you check the tire pressure on the studded tires on the old 4x4, check oils,fluids, pack a couple blankets,load up the family and go, or stay home and kiss the trip goodbye. Everything can go ok... or some unexpecting suv with allterrain tires can do endo's infront of u and cause a horrific ACCIDENT. yes maybe some were parked in the wrong spot for avy runout, maybe some should not have been hming around, maybe some had no business being there, but..., **** happens boys and girls. Education and respect of the back country is the key. Deal with it best u can. May all those affected have peace. Please, please please. G

I couldn't disagree with you more. **** should not happen! Sure when you're driving on bad roads you can't control how other people drive, but when you're in the backcountry you can control where you park your sled and you can control the type of terrain which you ride. We don't accept this kind of risk at work, so why do we take these risks in the back country. There is always going to be a certain amount of risk taken, but we constantly need to be analyzing the consequences of these risks
 
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Wow.

Not sure if I have *ever* seen a thread garner this much attention.....

Unfortunately there is the odd disagreement here and there, but for the most part everyone seems to be barking up the same tree. This is good.....

If the definition of insanity is "doing the same thing but expecting different results" then lets all make something good of this tragic incident and make some changes to reduce the likelihood of a similar event ever taking place. I do see attitudes/knowledge improving on the hill but there will always be room for improvement. With new riders constantly filtering in to the sport I feel it is the responsibility of the "veterans" to do what we can to educate the noob's and to encourage them to seek training. Some of them may not want to listen, but hopefully their ears are a little more open now. It is sad that it took a situation of this magnitude (and all the negative media to go with it) to get people's attention, but let's do the prudent thing and come out of this stronger and wiser.

The Sparwood incident last year was the turning point for me. I wish it never happened but at the same time I am thankful that it opened my eyes. I pray that this past weekend will make safer and more thoughtful riders of many more of us. I love this sport and the friends I have made.

Those that passed on and those injured on Saturday will be in my thoughts and prayers for a long time to come!
 
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