Replacing Klim Power X Pullover?

[MT boondocker]

Personally I think that Klim and other companies are missing sales by not making a tall size in their upper body lines. IF there is enough interest and apparently there is in making tall in the pants and bibs there seems there would be the same in the upper body lines. I would wonder what the percentage of their sales in tall sizes vs regular sizes is on pants and bibs? I don't like having to buy a size larger coat just to get one with long enough sleeves!
It was mentioned that 2% of sales were for tall sizes. What clothing was this figure based on? I would be willing to bet that number would be a lot higher if tall sizes were readily available in coats. How many people have to buy a larger size coat like I do to get the sleeve length? Those doing that, would increase the said percentage considerably.
This is just my opinion on the subject, that's all!

 

[FCR112]

It's really just too bad China has to be involved at all, but that's an entirely different thread right...

I very much dislike buying skier co gear as it is almost impossible to find one that doesn't put a portion of their profits into further restriction of motorized use or expanding wilderness in one form or another.

IMO KLIM makes the right clothes and put their money where their mouth is. That is why I continued to buy pullovers that aren't long enough from them...

Pants, Boots, Gloves have all been great fits, a few problems with zippers and snaps but I can live with that due to the excellent warranty they provide on the gear.

Overall I'm a fan of the company for sure. With the prices of non-insulated winter gear ranging from 289.99 - 579.99 I struggle to understand why a retailer is trying to justify the company not offering tall size uppers citing the economics of scale or color options especially considering the fact that they already offer the tall size lowers, in one color.

While it stands to reason they may not make as large of a profit on the smaller production run of tall size gear, I personally find it nearly impossible to believe the company would be unable do it at a profit. But that's all entirely speculation as it is likely no-one outside the company knows where the break even is on their costs.

From this consumer's standpoint KLIM is a great company that is growing their gear selection and charges a premium price for their rider specific styled clothing.
This is the prime time to step up and offer tall sizes in some of their more popular upper clothing selections to augment what they already decided was smart to offer in the lowers. Rider satisfaction will go up and it will help prevent customers who have spent thousands of dollars on KLIM gear from moving off and buying the competition's products.

 

[Blown Motor]

It's really just too bad China has to be involved at all, but that's an entirely different thread right...

I very much dislike buying skier co gear as it is almost impossible to find one that doesn't put a portion of their profits into further restriction of motorized use or expanding wilderness in one form or another.

IMO KLIM makes the right clothes and put their money where their mouth is. That is why I continued to buy pullovers that aren't long enough from them...

Pants, Boots, Gloves have all been great fits, a few problems with zippers and snaps but I can live with that due to the excellent warranty they provide on the gear.

Overall I'm a fan of the company for sure. With the prices of non-insulated winter gear ranging from 289.99 - 579.99 I struggle to understand why a retailer is trying to justify the company not offering tall size uppers citing the economics of scale or color options especially considering the fact that they already offer the tall size lowers, in one color.

While it stands to reason they may not make as large of a profit on the smaller production run of tall size gear, I personally find it nearly impossible to believe the company would be unable do it at a profit. But that's all entirely speculation as it is likely no-one outside the company knows where the break even is on their costs.

From this consumer's standpoint KLIM is a great company that is growing their gear selection and charges a premium price for their rider specific styled clothing.
This is the prime time to step up and offer tall sizes in some of their more popular upper clothing selections to augment what they already decided was smart to offer in the lowers. Rider satisfaction will go up and it will help prevent customers who have spent thousands of dollars on KLIM gear from moving off and buying the competition's products.

Not trying to justify the company not offering Tall sizes at all. We would love to sell Tall Sized jackets and make even more customers happy. We are just giving a rational inside look as to why you don't see it, and answering questions that were asked.

At the end of the day, although some people think these companies are loosing money or missing out on producing Tall sizes; Klim, Motorfist, FXR, HMK etc are all years ahead of what you see in stores. Designs (although we still may not like them), geographical info, technology, production etc. So while we may feel that they are missing the boat, they know where the majority of their money is and what sizes are most popular etc. And as of yet, Tall Sized jackets are not the focus. Also, note that a couple companies have actually quit producing Tall Sized coats but continue to produce tall sized pants. We personally agree with you guys, it would seem that a guy/gal needing tall pants would likely need a tall jacket as well, but that clearly was not the case with some brands.

 

[Spaarky]

We know for a fact three MFG's are looking at this thread, as they have reached out to us today to ask how many people we have ask us for Talls. So we think this thread is going the right direction for our industry.

Didn't realize my little ole thread would get so much attention.... If they are going to make talls, can I get a couple in wide too....

I may have posted this earlier, don't remember, I have CRS disease lately. My daughters were trying to steer me to the funkier, ski and Castle products. They like the hip plaids and bright colors. I just don't think, I could get myself to wear anything but Klim. I have a couple HMK coats I beat around in, but have not tried them riding.

 

[Blown Motor]

Haha we will ask for that sizing too for ya Outlaw

 

[Sxrlar]

I see Blown Motor has a smoking good price on Klim, non current, Powercross pull overs right now. I am tempted.

Its funny reading about the tall guys wanting a tall size jacket. try being 5'5", 200#! I have to buy an xl, wide shoulders/chest, which means the sleeves are about 2-3 inches too long lol.

 

[Blown Motor]

I see Blown Motor has a smoking good price on Klim, non current, Powercross pull overs right now. I am tempted.

Its funny reading about the tall guys wanting a tall size jacket. try being 5'5", 200#! I have to buy an xl, wide shoulders/chest, which means the sleeves are about 2-3 inches too long lol.

Haha, there ya go, further proving the reasoning behind sizing. You just will never please everybody, so the best business model is to keep the heart of your production and costs invested in the mass area where the most money is made. As mentioned before, once you start doing talls, then people want shorts, then they want all the color options, then they want all the jacket options haha. It's a domino effect trying to please all.

 

[FCR112]

zzz

 

[KTMDirtFace]

Back to Tall Topics...and more ranting.

I just purchased some ADV gear for my Motorcycles. I bought Klim Badlands Pro jacket and pants ( $1500+ ). Man they REALLY NEED Tall jackets.

Especially in their Badlands Pro, Rally, & Stealth gear.. their top of the line gear your paying so much money they should make frigging talls.

So I bought the large, it fit me quite well except..oh my belly buttons showing ( if i move my arms much at all )...and oh why does it hurt so bad when i bend my elbows? yea the sleeves are way to short and i end up with the forearm strap and buckle in my elbow..basically arms are too short and my elbow is in the forearm where it should not be causing massive binding.

I ended up getting the XL instead so now my arms are comfortable but you could fit TWO of me in the body. Its pretty damn frustrating.

 

[Blown Motor]

Back to Tall Topics...and more ranting.

I just purchased some ADV gear for my Motorcycles. I bought Klim Badlands Pro jacket and pants ( $1500+ ). Man they REALLY NEED Tall jackets.

Especially in their Badlands Pro, Rally, & Stealth gear.. their top of the line gear your paying so much money they should make frigging talls.

So I bought the large, it fit me quite well except..oh my belly buttons showing ( if i move my arms much at all )...and oh why does it hurt so bad when i bend my elbows? yea the sleeves are way to short and i end up with the forearm strap and buckle in my elbow..basically arms are too short and my elbow is in the forearm where it should not be causing massive binding.

I ended up getting the XL instead so now my arms are comfortable but you could fit TWO of me in the body. Its pretty damn frustrating.

Whoever you bought should have educated you better. We 100% would have not recommended a Large in the Moto gear when you wear a XL in the snow stuff. The moto gear is more rigid, tighter fitting etc. 840 Denier does not move well. Of the moto gear we sell most people actually go up a size as it is meant to be worn over items still. Example, I wear a 34 in almost all pants, and wear a 36 in the Klim street pants. You woulda thought we would have got the call for some questions about a fit subject like this haha

 

[KTMDirtFace]

I still want a Large Tall it would fit me perfectly!

 

[Spaarky]

Got any more 15' sneak peak pics????? Keep this thread interesting.

Also since this thread has gone every which way but loose. It's been a long time coming, but I started looking at avvy bags this week. That's harder then picking out a sled!!! Size, brand, operating systems, HOLY MONKEY!!!

Good news, the ABS, you can get in a tall.

 

[KTMDirtFace]

I want an avy bag for next season too I got all summer to figure it out

 

[FCR112]

ABS makes nice tall size avy bags, I own one fits right.

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I think a great illustration of salesman's egos running wild is when self promoting retailers feel somehow entitled to speak on behalf of multiple clothing manufacturers and the reasons for their internal business decisions.

 

[Blown Motor]

Got any more 15' sneak peak pics????? Keep this thread interesting.

Also since this thread has gone every which way but loose. It's been a long time coming, but I started looking at avvy bags this week. That's harder then picking out a sled!!! Size, brand, operating systems, HOLY MONKEY!!!

Good news, the ABS, you can get in a tall.

2015 Klim Valdez Jacket


2015 Klim PowerXross Pullover and Klim Tomahawk Jacket


2015 Klim Tomahawk Jacket's

Up close and personal pics will be released shortly, for now they are teaser shots. Just like the helmets, we will get the opportunity to show them to you guys in bursts.

ABS makes nice tall size avy bags, I own one fits right.

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I think a great illustration of salesman's egos running wild is when self promoting retailers feel somehow entitled to speak on behalf of multiple clothing manufacturers and the reasons for their internal business decisions.

Since this was directed at us, not sure why the name calling, or what the issue is. We were asked a question, we spent time and got the answer, and now it is not good enough. How has it turned into an Egotistical Self Promotion? Not sure why you feel the reasons we provided are made up or for some reason derived to benefit us, but we deal with all of these brands day to day, and take the questions that we are asked to the MFG's for answers. If the answers do not suit you, sorry about that. All we can do is relay info from the top, these are not assumptions that we make, but rather info we are given. And for most on this thread although that may not be the answer they are looking for, it is taken for what it is worth.

 

[Anthony Oberti]

ABS makes nice tall size avy bags, I own one fits right.

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I think a great illustration of salesman's egos running wild is when self promoting retailers feel somehow entitled to speak on behalf of multiple clothing manufacturers and the reasons for their internal business decisions.

Wow. If you don't want a true answe to the question don't ask. Blown Motor is 100% on point about this topic. I ride for Klim and have asked the exact same questions you have inquired on. But Blown Motor explained it. This is not a simple, hey make a one off size for me in this style and this color. It's not that simple. You have NO IDEA the cost to make a new design; NO IDEA! I pay to have my jacket altered to be the exact length I want. Bitching to Blown Motor who is an unbiased-neutral party that does a GREAT service for all industry is not the solution. But then again this Is Snowest.... Not surprised to see people running their mouth without a clue of what is what.

 

[lost]

Wow. If you don't want a true answe to the question don't ask. Blown Motor is 100% on point about this topic. I ride for Klim and have asked the exact same questions you have inquired on. But Blown Motor explained it. This is not a simple, hey make a one off size for me in this style and this color. It's not that simple. You have NO IDEA the cost to make a new design; NO IDEA! I pay to have my jacket altered to be the exact length I want. Bitching to Blown Motor who is an unbiased-neutral party that does a GREAT service for all industry is not the solution. But then again this Is Snowest.... Not surprised to see people running their mouth without a clue of what is what.

While I can understand what you are saying about concerning the cost of a new design, which really isn't all that much changed from the existing design just adding a extra couple of inches. I still believe that there is enough interest to have a tall in their upper body line. Maybe in only a select few product lines, that would control their costs and give us an option. I also don't believe that anyone is bitching at Blown Motor, they came on stating information and people went from there asking questions. After all isn't that what the forum is for, to ask questions and receive answers? From what I have been told that IF you alter any of Klim's clothing anyway without them doing it it VOIDS all warranty. I'm not sure what Klim would charge to make a coat into a tall, but I'm quite sure that their cost would be considerable! I have Klim clothing which I like, but like others when comes time for replacement going to look at other manufactors that have a tall size in their line.

 

[Anthony Oberti]

Yeah but the issue is, if you desire to make a "Tall", you need a minimum order of anywhere from 1000-5000 depending on the product. And that is per size (L, XL, etc) and per color. So how do you pick which size and color to order? Let alone what style? By the time you sell all of them and recover your cost there is already a new design out. It simply doesn't make sense financially. I totally get the point but its not just feasible.

 

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[FCR112]

Unbiased posts from a sponsored rider and bold face product peddler who feel compelled to answer for their manufacturer... that's some quality snowest entertainment. To pretend these early sneak peak pics are not self serving advertising...please..
KLIM has posted here before. Some info from a credible source on any of these company's business decisions regarding tall sizes would be more helpful than conjecture on numbers necessary to make financial sense or further speculation from any retailer or sponsored riders IMO.