Replacing Klim Power X Pullover?

[Spaarky]

BM,
Would you consider the Tomahawk and the Pullover to be the same weight/warmth/breathability wise?

I don't necessarily need a pull over. Like said something same warmth. I also liked it because it seemed longer in the back. Hung down further over my back side. That was the reason I originally chose it. Lighter weight, and covered up nicely on my back. Seemed a little more free moving too.

 

[Blown Motor]

I don't necessarily need a pull over. Like said something same warmth. I also liked it because it seemed longer in the back. Hung down further over my back side. That was the reason I originally chose it. Lighter weight, and covered up nicely on my back. Seemed a little more free moving too.

Almost all the Klim jackets are tailored to be longer in the back now, at least in the uninsulated lineup.

 

[rmscustom]

I really like my Tomahawk (4-5yrs old) but unfortunately I melted a huge hole in it. Thought about sending in to get fixed but I'm thinking the new features and a bright color might be nice... Until everything is wilderness

Any hints on what has change for 15?

 

[Blown Motor]

I really like my Tomahawk (4-5yrs old) but unfortunately I melted a huge hole in it. Thought about sending in to get fixed but I'm thinking the new features and a bright color might be nice... Until everything is wilderness

Any hints on what has change for 15?

Haha basically just redesigned, new zippers, a little different cut, and new color ways. And if everything goes wilderness, there is even a color in this years Tomohawk lineup that you will blend in, and it's not black haha.

 

[skidooboy]

will those boots have an upgraded laced offering as well? Ski

 

[Blown Motor]

will those boots have an upgraded laced offering as well? Ski

Confused on the question. Do you mean will the version of this boot with laces be re-designed?? If so, no it stayed current they just added a color and the BOA option.

 

[FCR112]

Tall sizes in the new pullover? PLEASE!!! The front on mine always rides up from the belt strap on my avy pack. Also hoping for zipper and button upgrades, while I think KLIM is the best offering they could use a step up in these areas IMO. Me and a riding buddy with will be sending in some warranty work in the off season due to these areas.

 

[tdblakes]

Any suggestions to something comparable to my PowerX that will hold up and keep me dry? Or should I stick with what I have, just get a different color? Guess I could wait for the 15 gear to come out too.

C3 Sled Gear makes a pull over, I have the full zip and it was extremely durable and kept me very dry all winter in all conditions. I know they only show black on their website, but I know they have some high viz jackets on some RMSHA riders. Could always ask what it would take to get a different color for next season. C3 is really easy to work with and very customer focused. And they're fully assembled/made in Washington so that's a plus too

 

[Blown Motor]

Tall sizes in the new pullover? PLEASE!!! The front on mine always rides up from the belt strap on my avy pack. Also hoping for zipper and button upgrades, while I think KLIM is the best offering they could use a step up in these areas IMO. Me and a riding buddy with will be sending in some warranty work in the off season due to these areas.

Unfortunately, not gonna see Tall Sizes in the Klim jackets this coming year. Not enough demand to warrant having to product the numbers they would to meet a minimum order we would assume.

 

[lost]

Unfortunately, not gonna see Tall Sizes in the Klim jackets this coming year. Not enough demand to warrant having to product the numbers they would to meet a minimum order we would assume.

That's really to bad on their part. Don't like having to buy the next size larger coat to get the sleeve length, then having the body size to large. I'm quite sure they would be able to sell lots of tall sizes in their coat/casual lines!
They should really take a good hard look at doing the tall size!

 

[FCR112]

Yet there is enough demand for the pants in tall sizes, weird eh?

 

[KTMDirtFace]

Love my Klim Tomahawk in orange. I pretty much wear a base layer and tekvest under it and thats it. I Think i wore a mid layer once. Its just a shell but its nice.

Oh i'm 6'6" and its one of the only jackets I tried that the sleeves were long enough. I had to get XL for sleeve length.

Today

 

[SXViper]

Is klims pull over the least warm and most ventilated of their offerings?

 

[CROW]

Is klims pull over the least warm and most ventilated of their offerings?

No. The storm has more venting.

 

[FCR112]

Love my Klim Tomahawk in orange. I pretty much wear a base layer and tekvest under it and thats it. I Think i wore a mid layer once. Its just a shell but its nice.

Oh i'm 6'6" and its one of the only jackets I tried that the sleeves were long enough. I had to get XL for sleeve length.

Today

I agree, if you size up the sleeves are long enough... While that's not a pullover so no apples to apples... take a picture with your arms straight out at your sides or above your shoulders and you'll likely see my point about the torso. IMO For tall active backcountry riders it would be nicer to have a longer option. I have used their pullovers for 6yrs, 3 different versions same problem for me.

Ps: on second thought maybe you shouldn't, don't wanna see ur belly button in the breeze

 

[KTMDirtFace]

I agree, if you size up the sleeves are long enough... While that's not a pullover so no apples to apples... take a picture with your arms straight out at your sides or above your shoulders and you'll likely see my point about the torso. IMO For tall active backcountry riders it would be nicer to have a longer option. I have used their pullovers for 6yrs, 3 different versions same problem for me.

Ps: on second thought maybe you shouldn't, don't wanna see ur belly button in the breeze

I wear bibs so no belly button be showing lol.

Yes tall sizes would be great. I even contacted Klim and said "how much" to custom make me one. they wouldn't do it. I said again well how much to custom make one. they still wouldn't.

I do have a Ski Doo helium 30 tall. its a longer than my Klim. Its about the only tall I have ever seen in a jacket.

 

[Blown Motor]

That's really to bad on their part. Don't like having to buy the next size larger coat to get the sleeve length, then having the body size to large. I'm quite sure they would be able to sell lots of tall sizes in their coat/casual lines!
They should really take a good hard look at doing the tall size!

Trust us, we know what you are saying, we get plenty of people who would like longer sleeves and torso. But in the scheme of things it is not even 2% of total sales that go out our door. And this takes in to count all the brands we sell. We document when we run out of items, customers complaints, customers suggestions etc, more or less everything we can in order to be better prepared for the coming year. We end up generally providing the best solution we can for the tall jacket, and hope that the customer is happy with that. Some brands provide longer cuts than others even in normal sizing, so knowing which of those brands does this, helps us provide a better solution for our customers. Ask KTMDirtface, we took several picture for him this year regarding lengths and measurements, just for his scenario, and it helped him decide on the jacket he is wearing now. If we can help, we sure as heck will do our best!

Is klims pull over the least warm and most ventilated of their offerings?

For 2013-14 the Klim Valdez, Storm, Tomahawk, and PowerXross are all shells. Basically all the same insulation value, of ZERO. Some of the coats are made with a heavier denier, which one may think weight equals warmth, but that is just a misconception. At the end of the day, none of those 4 jackets have any insulating value. The reason you see prices vary from $289.99 - $429.99 is because of the materials used and creature comforts of each jacket. Things like zippers, vents, 3M reflective material, was it gators etc all play a part in pricing on a jacket. Basically the more you get, the more the jacket costs. So to answer your question, the PowerXross is the same as all the shells when considering a sealed jacket with no vents open. But a jacket with more vents will be "cooler" when having the chance to use them.

No. The storm has more venting.

Very true, on this piece it is called Max Flow Ventilation. 2 vertical chest intakes, 2 vertical back ventilation exhausts, and 2 wide pit zips under the sleeves.

Yet there is enough demand for the pants in tall sizes, weird eh?

Reason you see the pants offered this way is because they are made in one color, black. There are no alternatives for people to gripe about not having a size tall in. If Klim was to make just the black jackets available in tall's, the next thread on here would be why don't they have an Orange tall. Haha. Easy to hit minimums in one color way, hard to hit the minimum orders when people would want it in 3-4 colors across 6-8 jackets.... Again, just not enough demand in the big picture quite yet.

 

[FCR112]

That would be one excellent example of rationalization. bold typer guy...

I'm not buying the more than one color deal at all... Maybe I should start a thread talking about why no one should buy KLIM pants until they make tall size pants in Lime green Then no one would buy any more black ones???

I just talked to a wonderful lady today who can fix my problem with her scissors and sewing machine. It pains me to do it but that's the only way it'll get done right...

MAKE SOME TALL SIZED UPPERS ALREADY KLIM!!!

It's been bitched about for at least 4 years and you charge way to much for all the gear I've bought from you for me to believe for one second it can't be done at a profit, over a thousand dollars spent by myself alone since I became a customer... jeeezsch

the preceding was my opinion alone and may not represent the opinions of those who are sponsored by or stand to gain or lose financially by agreeing with it due to any affects it may have on the sales bottom line...it's snowest after all, the truth can get in the way of the advertising pretty quickly... Just my tall azz opinion of course..

 

[Blown Motor]

That would be one excellent example of rationalization. bold typer guy...

I'm not buying the more than one color deal at all... Maybe I should start a thread talking about why no one should buy KLIM pants until they make tall size pants in Lime green Then no one would buy any more black ones???

I just talked to a wonderful lady today who can fix my problem with her scissors and sewing machine. It pains me to do it but that's the only way it'll get done right...

MAKE SOME TALL SIZED UPPERS ALREADY KLIM!!!

It's been bitched about for at least 4 years and you charge way to much for all the gear I've bought from you for me to believe for one second it can't be done at a profit, over a thousand dollars spent by myself alone since I became a customer... jeeezsch

the preceding was my opinion alone and may not represent the opinions of those who are sponsored by or stand to gain or lose financially by agreeing with it due to any affects it may have on the sales bottom line...it's snowest after all, the truth can get in the way of the advertising pretty quickly... Just my tall azz opinion of course..

For sure, we hear ya loud and clear. And the bold just helps separate the quoted text to the answers. Although we do use it all the time, it catches the eye.

For the record we don't have anything to gain financially by educating the customer in this thread, just providing an honest service and answering questions that are asked. If anything, our answers you would think would hold validation because we as retailers are the ones dealing with the mfg direct. The average consumer just has opinion to go off of. In fact we may lose customers who absolutely will not buy anything but tall sizes, who find it in another brand from another industry. (The ski industry, being much much larger offers tall sizes) We sell almost 70 brands at our store now, and your never gonna make everybody happy. Letting people know the reasoning behind not seeing a product just provides information, so you as a consumer understand why the industry evolves the way it does.

At the end of the day, China requires X amount of a product in order to produce it at Y price. If you only want to order 1/4 of the product you normally do to get Y price, your price will go up substantially. This is why you see a $20.00 up charge for Tall sizing, when you only get 3" of fabric. Volume equals pricing in China, at at the end of the day there is not enough demand to make tall jackets yet. Maybe we need to be louder as a consumer?? Not sure, but trust us, if there was a market for them, and Klim would make more money by investing the time and building the product, they would not be missing the boat. Nor would any of the other 5 top brands out there....

Question for you, say Klim was to offer one coat in both the uninsulated and insulated lineups in 2015. Just offered in black, and it was say $60 dollars more than the 2015 Valdez and Keweenaw. Theoretical pricing would be $560.00 and $480.00 respectively. Would that be okay in the eyes of the guys that need the length, or would pricing, jacket options, and color options then be new issues?

We know for a fact three MFG's are looking at this thread, as they have reached out to us today to ask how many people we have ask us for Talls. So we think this thread is going the right direction for our industry.

 

[KTMDirtFace]

This thread took a complete detour lol.

I would totally pay more for Tall uppers, in black.

Black is boring but I would rather have the better fit.