P-22 Removal Question

[IDspud]

Table of Fluid Bulk Modulus (K) Values​

There are bulk modulus values for solids (e.g., 160 GPa for steel; 443 GPa for diamond; 50 MPa for solid helium) and gases (e.g., 101 kPa for air at constant temperature), but the most common tables list values for liquids. Here are representative values, in both English and metric units:

	English Units (105 PSI)	SI Units (109 Pa)
Acetone	1.34	0.92
Benzene	1.5	1.05
Carbon Tetrachloride	1.91	1.32
Ethyl Alcohol	1.54	1.06
Gasoline	1.9	1.3
Glycerin	6.31	4.35
ISO 32 Mineral Oil	2.6	1.8
Kerosene	1.9	1.3
Mercury	41.4	28.5
Paraffin Oil	2.41	1.66
Petrol	1.55 - 2.16	1.07 - 1.49
Phosphate Ester	4.4	3
SAE 30 Oil	2.2	1.5
Seawater	3.39	2.34
Sulfuric Acid	4.3	3.0
Water	3.12	2.15
Water - Glycol	5	3.4
Water - Oil Emulsion	3.3	2.3

 

[Teth-Air]

Table of Fluid Bulk Modulus (K) Values​

There are bulk modulus values for solids (e.g., 160 GPa for steel; 443 GPa for diamond; 50 MPa for solid helium) and gases (e.g., 101 kPa for air at constant temperature), but the most common tables list values for liquids. Here are representative values, in both English and metric units:

	English Units (105 PSI)	SI Units (109 Pa)
Acetone	1.34	0.92
Benzene	1.5	1.05
Carbon Tetrachloride	1.91	1.32
Ethyl Alcohol	1.54	1.06
Gasoline	1.9	1.3
Glycerin	6.31	4.35
ISO 32 Mineral Oil	2.6	1.8
Kerosene	1.9	1.3
Mercury	41.4	28.5
Paraffin Oil	2.41	1.66
Petrol	1.55 - 2.16	1.07 - 1.49
Phosphate Ester	4.4	3
SAE 30 Oil	2.2	1.5
Seawater	3.39	2.34
Sulfuric Acid	4.3	3.0
Water	3.12	2.15
Water - Glycol	5	3.4
Water - Oil Emulsion	3.3	2.3

So I say again. If you compress any of these liquids to 1000 psi under a clutch, they will all exert the same forces to push the clutch off. It does not matter if they lose a fraction of the volume from compression,, the same pressure reached will exert the same force on the clutch. Think about it, when you do the "water trick" you are pressing the liquid and if a particular liquid can compress a fraction, the bolt will only have to turn in a bit farther, and the same pressure will be achieved.

 

[IDspud]

Say it a thousand times.
You yourself said one needs to turn a bit farther.
All liquids are not the same.
Many different ones can be used and results can and do vary with each clutch and situation.

 

[Teth-Air]

Say it a thousand times.
You yourself said one needs to turn a bit farther.
All liquids are not the same.
Many different ones can be used and results can and do vary with each clutch and situation.

Yes in theory the clutch bolt can turn farther but you can't measure compression of a liquid, outside a very high end laboratory that can produce extremely high pressures and actually has the measuring capabilities. For all practicle purposes liquids are not taken as "compressible".

 

[diamonddave]

You boys better work this out or I’m going to go on a Quantum Mechanics tirade specifically around the Copenhagen Interpretation.

 

[Teth-Air]

You boys better work this out or I’m going to go on a Quantum Mechanics tirade specifically around the Copenhagen Interpretation.

Can't wait.

 

[Sheetmetalfab]

Mine removed itself.
Updated clutch with Billet spider, new bolt installed by the dealer in January. View attachment 418187

Just heard from Polaris.

Warranty was up in January.

They are replacing the crankshaft, clutch, bolt and belt under “goodwill repair”

Can’t complain too much about that.

 

[koolaid]

Just heard from Polaris.

Warranty was up in January.

They are replacing the crankshaft, clutch, bolt and belt under “goodwill repair”

Can’t complain too much about that.

Are you going to have them do (pay) a top end while torn apart? By buddy's P-85 did the same thing with 1K miles and that's what he's doing

 

[Sheetmetalfab]

Are you going to have them do (pay) a top end while torn apart? By buddy's P-85 did the same thing with 1K miles and that's what he's doing

I talked to the service manager.

They are freshening up the top end as part of the deal.

 

[Sheetmetalfab]

I talked to the service manager.

They are freshening up the top end as part of the deal.

And it’s all done.
New pistons, turbo oil pump, crank, seals, clutch, bolt, belt, side panel, belly pan.

$0.00

Going to pick it up today.

Choose your dealer wisely……

 

[A@ron]

This is what I found when I was swapping to a P85.

150 miles on this P22. No scuffing or markings on the crank.

Most definitely a reminder to listen to TJ and lap this piece of **** if you decide to keep it.

Cheers