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Obama's birth cert. issue not going away

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Just remember Abom, Obama has already admitted to being a Kenyan and British Citizen by birth. Under the 1948 British Nationality Act, he was born a British and Kenyan citizen. Obama could simply claim, they where referring to his kenyan father, not a "of the soil" born Kenyan, but a birth right Kenyan.

It's funny, but I doubt it's little more than filler for the boxes of material they will throw at the trial. Obama may get some question about the AP report, maybe mister teleprompter will get the deer-in-the-headlight look. :)

Wade
 
Interesting part of Leo's blog today.
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As the DOJ has correctly indicated, the only definition of natural born citizen that matters is the one held by the founding fathers.

And that’s why everyone needs to read pages 43-44 of the transcript where Judge Carter indicates that even if Obama were born in Kenya, the Judge would not be comfortable in holding that Obama was not eligible to be POTUS.

Somebody needs to tell this Judge that the law in the US at the time of Obama’s birth stated quite clearly that Obama would not have qualified for US citizenship in 1961 if born in Kenya to Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama Sr. That’s very clear according federal law in 1961. If he wasn’t a citizen, how could he be a “natural born citizen”?

So, if you think Judge Carter is going to decide the British birth issue in favor of holding Obama ineligible if born in Hawaii, then you are really kidding yourselves. This case has no chance at all.

I don’t believe Obama was born in Kenya. I believe he was born in Hawaii. But I also believe that the state of Hawaii has been playing fast and loose with their own public disclosure laws and that they should not be trusted, especially since they haven’t been put under oath.

I also don’t believe it would have mattered to the founding fathers if Obama was born in Hawaii since he was a British citizen at birth, and the founding fathers had just fought a bloody war to rid themselves of British influence. To assume they would have allowed a British citizen at birth to become Commander In Chief of the US armed forces is to disgrace the blood of the patriots who earned this nation’s freedoms and liberties by their very lives.

For all intents and purposes, the “natural born citizen” safeguard given to this nation by the founding fathers is dead. And the entire Constitution is also dying by a cancer attacking all organs. It will only survive a certain death by miracle. Pray for such a miracle. It is truly your only hope.

Leo C. Donofrio
 
Interesting that he said he was going to quit talking for a while, and go do something. DC Circuit Court, here he comes.

The TerriK lady is off on some goose chase, trying to prove the Obama's real father was some Hawaiian Royal blood, or something.

It will be very interesting, if Donofrio files a person of interest claim with the supreme court. I still want to know what Obama's hiding. We only have 3 more years to figure it out :)
 
I really don't think we will find out the truth till well after bo leaves office and the dems who allowed him to be there are retired also.
 
I am working on Wyoming Legislators to put forth a bill in Feb. to require the Wyoming Electoral Board to demand proof of eligibility of presidential candidates before they can be put on the ballot. Now they just take the DNC chairman's word for it. Nancy lied. I contend that the Electoral Board perpetrated a fraud on the Wyoming citizens by not requiring proper proof of natural born citizenship. I don't think it will really be too difficult to accomplish.
 
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I am working on Wyoming Legislators to put forth a bill in Feb. to require the Wyoming Electoral Board to demand proof of eligibility of presidential candidates before they can be put on the ballot. Now they just take the DNC chairman's word for it. Nancy lied. I contend that the Electoral Board perpetrated a fraud on the Wyoming citizens by not requiring proper proof of natural born citizenship. I don't think it will really be too difficult to accomplish.

That is excellent! Obama's thugs will delay and disrupt any truth for so long that it is a good idea to start looking at the next election to possibly stop Obama from running for re-election.
I knew things would be bad under him but it is worse than even I had imagined. Scary thing is look at all the crap coming out of washington in less than one year!
 
I am working on Wyoming Legislators to put forth a bill in Feb. to require the Wyoming Electoral Board to demand proof of eligibility of presidential candidates before they can be put on the ballot. Now they just take the DNC chairman's word for it. Nancy lied. I contend that the Electoral Board perpetrated a fraud on the Wyoming citizens by not requiring proper proof of natural born citizenship. I don't think it will really be too difficult to accomplish.

Wolf, if you understand this below and it's what you are doing, could you email me and tell me the steps. I'm a little lost about these state election issues in terms of how they apply to BO. I asked an atty the following and this was his response. I need more specific instructions and it sounds like you know what you're doing.

My question:
> A friend asked me this question about FOIAing (or whatever the state
> term is) this info. Has this been done already and if not, is it
> possible?
>
> "Could you sue your state government for the evidence they were shown
> during the vetting process. Could you sue for release of all
> information related to the vetting process within your state??"

His response:

You have to do a records request under local, state, or federal law. In
the Federal System they call it a FOIA request. If they deny you the
documents and they do not have a legal basis for the denial, then you
can sue them in court for the violation and that they be compelled to
provide the requested documents.

Then I asked:
When I find the right agency to request how they vetted his
> eligibility, what do I ask for? Records proving that they proved his
> eligibility? Is this a waste of time?

And he said:

The agency would provide documents. The agency will not give you any
or*al explanation.
 
FOIA, Freedom Of Information Act

You have to determine who to ask, and how to ask. That's basically the same thing that Donofrio and friends have been doing in Hawaii. They can't deny you, if you ask. But, unless there's a law that requires them to do something, asking for proof, if they did it, won't accomplish much.

Wolf's idea is the best. A logical rule change, that's hard to argue with.
 
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WARNING...
When Filing a Freedom of Information Act, be sure to ask for MORE than you actually want.

If you want info on Jack James, then you need to ask for ALL information pertaining to anyone with the name "Jack" "James" or any combination there off.

It will take longer to get the information, but if you only ask for say Jack James, then they will ONLY give you information pertaining to Jack James, not Jack C James or whatever. If you give them a loophole, they will use it.

An example of one I did.
I was looking for information pertaining to my water tap.
I got one page that showed where the tap was and where it tied in.
Nothing about when it was put in, what the exact information pertaining to it was (size, flow rates, etc), who did the work, nothing of any use.

So be darn sure to ask for ALL the information you actually want.
The flip side of that is information overload.
If you ask for something and they don't want you to find it, they will give you everything they possibly can in an attempt to bury you in paper.

Former boss had that happen with a lawsuit he was filing. 3 UPS trucks came up and dropped off all the information. It filled the lobby. He was looking for one page.
 
I am working through the local legislators and they don't think anything at all can be done concerning the 2008 election but possible to set up something for future elections. As I understand it the only vetting of presidential candidates comes from the speaker of the house in an affidavit. Now you know how honest Nancy is. I know that she held a hearing on McCain's credentials but she did nothing about Obama's. She just sent an affidavit verifying his credentials to the states and that is where it went wrong. I will let you all know what i find out as we go along. I think if even a few states decide that they have to see the actual credentials before they can put someone on the ballot the poop will hit the fan. My first response was DO NOT try to seem like you are trying to put some responsibility on anyone for what has already happened so I figured that was not the way to go and I can understand that.
 
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Mario expected this - still maddening, esp. with the long delay. I expect Carter will do the same. Mario had said this rejection would mean a faster track to SCOTUS. Next is the 3rd circuit court of appeals, but someone mentioned they think this is the same CCA that blew off another case (course that guy seemed a little "out there" - he's the one that tried to sue Bush for 9/11).

Wednesday, October 21, 2009
Court Dismisses Kerchner Complaint/Petition for Lack of Standing and Political Question. The Decision Will Be Appealed.

The Hon. Jerome B. Simandle of the Federal District Court in the District of New Jersey at 10:39 a.m., on October 21, 2009, filed his long-awaited opinion dismissing the Kerchner et al. v. Obama et al. complaint/petition. In the complaint/petition, we allege that Obama has not conclusively proven that he was born in Hawaii. We also allege that even if he was so born, he is not an Article II “natural born Citizen” because his father was a British subject/citizen when Obama was born and Obama himself was born a British subject/citizen, all of which makes him ineligible to be President and Commander in Chief of the Military. We also allege that Congress violated it constitutional duty under the Twentieth Amendment to adequately investigate and confirm whether Obama is an Article II “natural born Citizen.” Judge Simandle ruled that the plaintiffs do not have Article III standing and that therefore the court does not have subject matter jurisdiction. The Court found that the plaintiffs failed to show that they suffered an “injury in fact.” It added that plaintiffs’ alleged injury is “only a generally available grievance about government” and “is one they share with all United States citizens.” Finally, it said that plaintiffs’ “motivations do not alter the nature of the injury alleged. . .”

By way of footnote, the Court said that even if the plaintiffs could show that the Court had Article III standing, they would not be able to show that the court should exercise jurisdiction because prudential standing concerns would prevent it from doing so.

Finally, the Court again in a footnote said that it cannot take jurisdiction of the issue of whether Obama is a “natural born Citizen” and whether Congress has acted constitutionally in its confirmation of Obama for President because the matter is a “political question” which needs to be resolved by Congress. The Court said that there simply is no room for judicial review of political choices made by the Electoral College and the Congress when voting for and confirming the President. The Court added that the plaintiffs’ remedy against Congress may be achieved by voting at the polls.
It is important to understand that the Court did not rule that Obama has conclusively proven that he was born in Hawaii. It is also important to understand that the Court did not rule that Obama is an Article II “natural born Citizen.” Rather, the Court dismissed the plaintiffs’ case because of jurisdiction and the political question doctrine without commenting on the underlying merits of whether Obama is constitutionally qualified to be President and Commander in Chief of the Military. The Court also did not rule that the plaintiffs’ claims are frivolous. Given the nature of the Court's decision, the American People unfortunately still do not know whether Obama is constitutionally qualified to be President and Commander in Chief.

As promised, plaintiffs will be filing an appeal of Judge Simandle’s decision to the Third Circuit Court of Appeals located in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/10/court-dismisses-kerchner.html

Interesting comments in the comments section. Back and forths with legal minds and questions - discussions of the Constitution and Standing and other important issues.
 
Well that shows how little respect we should show for our Federal courts, another judge wipes his a** with our Constitution. WHERE IS OUR RECOURSE? I guess it lies with us. I always understood that ALL standing was with us not the people we hire to do our work for us. IT IS TIME WE CHANGE THINGS. How many are going to sit by and let this bull crap happen???
 
You are right Ollie, when this (well there are no adjectives to describe them) administration can intimidate even the judges whose job is to protect us we are in really big trouble.
 
Well that shows how little respect we should show for our Federal courts, another judge wipes his a** with our Constitution. WHERE IS OUR RECOURSE? I guess it lies with us. I always understood that ALL standing was with us not the people we hire to do our work for us. IT IS TIME WE CHANGE THINGS. How many are going to sit by and let this bull crap happen???

my question is what is the proper recourse? starting to think that we are left only one option!:eek:
 
Breaking News! The unHonarable Jerome B. Simandle of the Federal District Court in the District of New Jersey gets free vacation home and big bags of $ from Accorn under stimulus package.
 
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