I'm not a judge, but I have a brain and a copy of the constitution. Get me the stuff, and I can look at it and make a decision in say..............1 hour. Oh wait, that might not secure my employment. I probably will need 6 to 12 months to look things over.
Obama's birth cert. issue not going away
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I heard on the radio that Obama is actually an alien from another planet (really). There will be an official announcement before the end of the year.
Yup! I fact checked that and it's true. Pass the word.
Peace out butter cup!
Sry no new news to add.
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Hmmmm....
This is cornfusing.
The kicker is the Repub Gov of hawaii. Is she in on the hustle? There would hafta be lots of folks in on this Hustle for sure...I dont see how it could work.
I think that Beck and Hannity are leaving this be for good reason. There just isnt much there.
I vote this. Instead of attacking the person? Lets attack the policy maybe?
I disagree with most of the current admins policies regarding my money! But the attempt to simply discredit and deligitimize our President ( He is our President like it or not) strike me as counter productive and kookish. I dont think thats the way to get some balance back in the Senate or House nor do I think thats the way to beat Obama in 2012. There is way too much fodder being created that by 2012 will make for some hard hitting campaign ads by the left making anyone who isnt an Obama supporting Lib look like a extremist whack job. There is enough weird stuff being generated by the right to draw out all the non-voters who do not typically even vote yet voted in this election...Well enough to draw them back out 2012 and that would spell trouble for any canidate going up against Obama as well as the critical Senate and House seats.
As far as the Hispanic vote? The GOP needs to be very carefull there as they are completly alienating the Latino and Black vote hence throwing all the eggs in the White male basket. Not a good strategy to win elections in this age of registered minority voters...Great strategy to make guys like Rush, Hannity, Beck and Fox news lots of coin though...Yet at the expense of potentially costing the GOP any hopes of taking back the house, the senate or the Presidency!
Nobel Prize? Wow....I think I missed something there. I'm gonna call that one a
The Hitler signs, The witch doctor crap, the commie stuff, the go back to Kenya crap, the "He isnt my president line", the lets go get some ammo talk??
Great for Rush, Hannity, Beck and fox news...Not so great with the majority. Those guys will all walk away with mega millions whilst the majority votes Democrat again if the GOP dosent get a better face...Not Palins face either. Too polarizing. Gots to go easy or the GOP will lose big again.
This is cornfusing.
The kicker is the Repub Gov of hawaii. Is she in on the hustle? There would hafta be lots of folks in on this Hustle for sure...I dont see how it could work.
I think that Beck and Hannity are leaving this be for good reason. There just isnt much there.
I vote this. Instead of attacking the person? Lets attack the policy maybe?
I disagree with most of the current admins policies regarding my money! But the attempt to simply discredit and deligitimize our President ( He is our President like it or not) strike me as counter productive and kookish. I dont think thats the way to get some balance back in the Senate or House nor do I think thats the way to beat Obama in 2012. There is way too much fodder being created that by 2012 will make for some hard hitting campaign ads by the left making anyone who isnt an Obama supporting Lib look like a extremist whack job. There is enough weird stuff being generated by the right to draw out all the non-voters who do not typically even vote yet voted in this election...Well enough to draw them back out 2012 and that would spell trouble for any canidate going up against Obama as well as the critical Senate and House seats.
As far as the Hispanic vote? The GOP needs to be very carefull there as they are completly alienating the Latino and Black vote hence throwing all the eggs in the White male basket. Not a good strategy to win elections in this age of registered minority voters...Great strategy to make guys like Rush, Hannity, Beck and Fox news lots of coin though...Yet at the expense of potentially costing the GOP any hopes of taking back the house, the senate or the Presidency!
Nobel Prize? Wow....I think I missed something there. I'm gonna call that one a
The Hitler signs, The witch doctor crap, the commie stuff, the go back to Kenya crap, the "He isnt my president line", the lets go get some ammo talk??
Great for Rush, Hannity, Beck and fox news...Not so great with the majority. Those guys will all walk away with mega millions whilst the majority votes Democrat again if the GOP dosent get a better face...Not Palins face either. Too polarizing. Gots to go easy or the GOP will lose big again.
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You just don't spend over a million dollars to cover something up if you don't have any thing to hide and he will NOT be my president until he can prove he is legal. Simple as that. If he doesn't respect me I don't respect him and I don't need anyone to do my thinking for me.
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You hit the nail on the head. I can't believe this has been going on for 97 years. Almost everyone I talk to is so in the dark about this.
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I guess I see things differently than a lot of folks do. I worked highway const. in supervision for more than 20 years and ran my own grading business for 25 years. I learned to be a quick judge of character and dealing with the union stewards constantly I learned that complete honesty was the best policy so in my view every thing is either black or white and no gray, Right or wrong and no middle of of the road. A fence sitter to me is just some one who isn't able to make up his own mind. This country is not a democracy that is run by a majority, it is a republic that is run by the rule of law and that is our Constitution. Yes our Constitution has been ignored, misused and beaten down for a lot of years but if we lose it we are in deep doo doo. This is why I get so angry at the way Obama and his gang are treating it. I do not think we can over look ANY of it. Rant over.
Thats the attitude that if not at the very least hidden away? Will empower the left and make it next to impossible for any balance to be restored in Washington.
I'm not saying your point of view is wrong or sucks...But if the right dosent get this type of extreme stuff buried and hidden away somewhere in time for the midterms and 2012 the GOP will be a party in peril.
Talk Radio and conspiracy theories play well to a certain segment of the population...Since the GOP has no real frontman and is now essentially relying on Talk Radio and or Fox news to represnt the party with wild theories whilst standing by gleefully enjoying the kooky side of the party talk radio spotlight?
Strikes me as a piss poor way to win back seats and or the presidency. IMO the seats are more important than the Presidency. A Senate and House Majority are just way more uber powerful than a sitting lame duck Prez!!
Probably dosent matter anyhow since Corporate American lobbyists on either side of the aisle driving, writing, influencing, deciding our legislative process anyhow. I'm sick and tired of Corp America owning our lawmakers and dictating our nations laws. Thats the part of "My" country I want back!!
Ron Paul 2012
So you are all for big corporate lobbyists having absolute influence and control over our legislative process in exchange for supporting the less fortunate in our country?
I'm not. Lobbying our elected officials and catering to special interest to determine the laws of our fine nation has helped us get to where we are today...Fvck man we dont even make anything anymore!! We are a nation of consumers and we trade in money. That isnt what made this nation great.
As far as Fox and talk radio? Did you read my post? Are you not caring that we do not have an actual elected official who represents the views of the GOP? Vs' Talk radio entertainers and Fox news?
Say it aint so Joe!!
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In the first place if "the less fortunate" in this country got up off there butts and went to work they wouldn't be less fortunate. When I was little we were so poor, we couldn't pay attention but you know what, we didn't know it. We never asked anything of anybody, we just worked until we made good and then we helped our neighbors to make good too.
In the second place if the corporate lobbies had that much power over congress and the environmental forces all the manufacturing would not be done overseas and you are right it should not be over seas but it is because of government greed not corporate greed.
In the third place I am sick of this crap so you just carry on by yourself and tell us how it all should be.
In the second place if the corporate lobbies had that much power over congress and the environmental forces all the manufacturing would not be done overseas and you are right it should not be over seas but it is because of government greed not corporate greed.
In the third place I am sick of this crap so you just carry on by yourself and tell us how it all should be.
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Chaz......by your statements I gather you seem to think that it's OK to deceive, lye, cheat, and steal from the American people in the name of Socialism. In no way has this man BO done anything to help America. In fact he has jeopardized our saftey in this world. A.
Weird, wasn't Obama that stated we should have a more open government? Now, is that the same Obama that's hiding his records?
The same Obama that has the most Czars of any president? Czars with power, for the first time ever? Czars who's personal records, can't possibly be defended? So, they are hidden.
Obama's President, you got that right, most everything else is weak. Have you looked at the viewership numbers. NBC's about ready to be sold. CNN is at their lowest point. Foxnews has 50% of the viewers. I think that any logical, rational person, can see that Obama's hiding stuff. And, IF we ever find out he was not who he says he is, then who's fault is it? Ours for not pursuing it. So, with that, we have no choice to pursue the paperwork. Funny, how lots of people don't think the law matters anymore.
The Birth Certificate thing is an easy problem to solve. The balls in Obama's court, he's the one that choices to hide behind lawyers.
As for the Rep, Governor of HI. Don't know, why don't you call him and ask? I guess all politicians are responsible, trustworthy types, eh? Never done anyone a favor, outside of their own party. Just show us the paperwork, and lets move on. Who's really being irrational here, us or Obama?
The same Obama that has the most Czars of any president? Czars with power, for the first time ever? Czars who's personal records, can't possibly be defended? So, they are hidden.
Obama's President, you got that right, most everything else is weak. Have you looked at the viewership numbers. NBC's about ready to be sold. CNN is at their lowest point. Foxnews has 50% of the viewers. I think that any logical, rational person, can see that Obama's hiding stuff. And, IF we ever find out he was not who he says he is, then who's fault is it? Ours for not pursuing it. So, with that, we have no choice to pursue the paperwork. Funny, how lots of people don't think the law matters anymore.
The Birth Certificate thing is an easy problem to solve. The balls in Obama's court, he's the one that choices to hide behind lawyers.
As for the Rep, Governor of HI. Don't know, why don't you call him and ask? I guess all politicians are responsible, trustworthy types, eh? Never done anyone a favor, outside of their own party. Just show us the paperwork, and lets move on. Who's really being irrational here, us or Obama?
You didnt read my post or you wouldnt have replyed like this. Please show me what statement I ever made that made you post that I would think its OK to lie, Cheat or steal from anyone anywhere at any time? Are you confusing me with someone else?
If I state that I dont care for Corporate America influencing our lawmakers and essentially writing our legislation and competly contaminating the process I'm some Obama fan-Boi Socialist?
Are all Republicans pro lobbyist now? Pro special interest? Pro having our legislative process ran by Corporate lobbyists? Well I'm not.
Dude...Seriously. You should read my post before you throw around your ill placed unwarranted comments.
My point was very simple.
Attack the policy not the individual. When you attack the individual you are simply "Mimmicking" talk radio entertainers.
I'm a Republican. I voted for John McCain...But you are so blinded by your hatred for the individual that you did not read my post and simply assumed that I was some leftist creep based on Wolfrun's odd comments?
Which I will dissect now:
So Wolf thats how you reply to me stating this:
Which I had simply asked when you posted this odd comment?:
If this is the mentality of the GOP in our country today we are doomed. You are simply spitting out odd bits and pieces of nothingness you must have gathered from listening to Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity.....You are essentially stating that you are Pro-Lobbyist and special interest when I'm clearly not.
And you somehow habve gathered or assumed that I do not share those same values do to my anti special interest and corporate lobbyist silliness in Washsington dictating our laws and owning our elected officials? WTF Man?
So its your contention that our Goverment somehow pushed to outsource American jobs to say the Chinese?
Well Wolf you are right sadly you cant see the whole picture. The jobs were outsourced when coporate lobbyist's and special interest money bought its way into congress and inacted eased regulations in order to promote profitability. So you got it right....Well half right.
You are sick of? Sick of me not joining on bopard with your whole Obama's a killer alien from Kenya sent to murder us all crazy talk? Sick of the fact that I want to address the issues and policies that are being inacted by a house and senate which has a Democratic majority? Sick of what Wolf?
Reality?
All the crazy we hate Obama talk in the world wont change the fact that both houses have a Dem majority.
I could give a rats fart about Obama. Win back the house and the senate and the guy is a lame duck President without much ability to do anything of importance concerning your taxes or whatever it is that has you angry.
Unless listening to so much Kooky Talk radio has you convinced that Barack Obama simply inacts laws on his own and puts them in place?
Here some of you guys need this...As your talk radio political educations and confused factoids will only cost us major losses in not only the critical midterms but in 2012 and the Presidency as well...Watch this please!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJL2Uuv-oQ
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Corporations should not be able to lobby at all it should be a class 3 felony if a corp is found wine and dining a political figure or party. All campaign funds should be raised by individual citizens only. Since a corporation is not a person why should it be able to donate to a campaign at all. It cant vote and should not have influence.
Special interest on all sides have no place in my America.
But then again its not my America cause I cant afford to play the game on lets say a proffesonal level I am stuck in the minor leagues trying to figure out how to mantain my lifestyle as they sell my company and 401k to China.
Special interest on all sides have no place in my America.
But then again its not my America cause I cant afford to play the game on lets say a proffesonal level I am stuck in the minor leagues trying to figure out how to mantain my lifestyle as they sell my company and 401k to China.
Finally someone with a solid grasp!!
Thank You. Its silly when folks are bussed into Washington on busses paid for by special interest money to hold signs that say...Obama, I want my country back! or have a depiction of Hitler? Or other choice Nazi references...Goodness.
My Gawd....What have we become. A nation of ignorant fools without a clue as to how our legislatuive process is so tainted and contaminated by special interest money that we will hold a sign paid for by a Lobbying group asking for our country back? Lord save us from ourselves!
I want my country back too. What I dont want it back from is a guy who won in an open election...He will smoke himself out with poor policy and be gone in 2012. We hold elections and elections have consequences. I will live with that for now becuase there isnt an option........I want my country back from special interests. intrenched lobbyists and coporate power brokers writing our laws. Thats the America I want back.
Yeah...I'm a small business owner. A Republican that refuses to be led by talk radio silly spew. Rush, Sean and Beck are getting rich off exploiting false created fears in the masses with vitriolic spew that is simply entertainment.
Luckily for me they cant outsorce my service work but boy if they could I would be long gone. Its not about freedom or the will of the American people....Its all about profitability. It drives everything we are and everything we do.
At this point the only folks holding onto the Kenyan Born alien Muslim theory are the hardest of the hard right fanatical right wing players....Even Fox news wont touch that hawt *** tater.
There will always be "Those Folks" who just cant seem to get a grip on a Black Dude in the white house.
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Attacking Obama's failed policies, is like attacking his great accomplishments as a community organizer, or his long and experienced career. The man's a blank slate. He's done nothing but read his teleprompter, and give away cash, and surround himself with socialist. Those that do nothing, can not be blamed.
His only accomplishment in life, is his incredible ascension of the political ladder.
The only other thing I know he's done, is file a lawsuit to re-enact the Clinton Roadless Rule, and block release of any of his records.
All of the pressure applied by the many groups, whether it be his past, anti-healthcare, pro-constitution, less taxes, pro business, war, economy, even the super liberals that thought he was going to save them. All this pressure has ham stringed his presidency. He's been on the defensive, and hasn't gotten much done. Which is a good thing.
Personally, I'd love for some real American, to stand up and force Obama ro release all his records. It's the right thing to do.
I got an idea there chad, why don't you attack Obama's policies, rather than a few people on here, for their beliefs.
His only accomplishment in life, is his incredible ascension of the political ladder.
The only other thing I know he's done, is file a lawsuit to re-enact the Clinton Roadless Rule, and block release of any of his records.
All of the pressure applied by the many groups, whether it be his past, anti-healthcare, pro-constitution, less taxes, pro business, war, economy, even the super liberals that thought he was going to save them. All this pressure has ham stringed his presidency. He's been on the defensive, and hasn't gotten much done. Which is a good thing.
Personally, I'd love for some real American, to stand up and force Obama ro release all his records. It's the right thing to do.
I got an idea there chad, why don't you attack Obama's policies, rather than a few people on here, for their beliefs.
So is it your contention that I cant be a part of your or "Your" Republican party until I get on board with the whole Kenya Muslim Hitler alien stuff?
Is that the new requirement for getting in the GOP tent? 51% of the voting public getting on board with your..."Beliefs"?
Thats not really a belief tho' is it?....Thats a theory or a "Take". When we turn theory into beliefs we will get ourselves in trouble. We as a party are in trouble right now.
Its your contention that we should all share your "Take" on the birth certificate deal and get on board with the usurping of Hawaii's state policy to cure our curiosity? Whats next? Should we ask to see the mans penis to ensure he is circumsized?
I'm not attacking anyones beliefs...I'm questioning the rhetoric and overall silliness....Even the most hard line right wing conservatives have long since let the whole birther crap go. Its null and void. The man produced documentation acceptable by todays standards. The Governor of Hawaii (A Republican) confirmed that the man has a legit Hawaii issued long from birth certificate. Thats that. To press any further on that issue is quite simply......Kooky?
Ridiculed and Denigrated you? Please show me where I did anything of the sort?
I'm a realist...A guy who belives in our country. I'm a guy that wants the Kookball element OUT of my Republican party.
Your views are not the views of the mainstream Republicns who want to win back our house and senate seats and ultimately the Presidency.
Your views are shared by the whack jobs that will cost us seats and the ability to get our country back on track with a semblance of fiscal responsibility.
Rush the dope fiend and Sean the whacko along with Beck and Savage are counter productive elements...They make us mainstream Repubs look like weirdoes and they do it in the name of making money. 20 million talk radio listeners is 8% of the country...Is that what we need for electability?
Those guys prefer Dems in power. Gives them something to talk about. Lets stop creating campaign ads for the Dems by looking like azzhats!!
The whole whack job birther, creepy sign carrying crap is to far out there Pal. Thats the crap that can and will cost good Republicans the chance to unseat Tax and spend Dems.
So yeah...I dont like the extremist right as "They" meaning the voting public or the majority find that stuff to be way too far out there and makes our party and our guys unelectable. Thats a bad thing.
If that stance bothers you? I apologize. Cant recollect ever stating I was any intellectual.....But the one thing I'm not is a witch doctor sign carrying, Kenyan born, Hitleresque, Socialist, Muslim conspiracy theory whack job!!
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