Think the truck dealer at Miller and I-70 is gonna get a case of beer the next time I get out that way.
Obama's birth cert. issue not going away
- Thread starter Ollie
- Start date
Meet The Soetoros
Indonesia
Left to Right:
Lolo Soetoro, Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro, baby Maya Soetoro, and 9 year old Barry Soetoro
This registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia,
shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro.
Name: Barry Soetoro
Religion: ..... Islam
Nationality: ..... Indonesian
How did little INDONESIAN, Barry Soetoro, (A.K.A. Barack Obama) get around the issue of nationality to become president?
Someone who tells lies is a L __ __ r?
PART 2:
In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group
"Americans for Freedom of Information" has released copies of President Obama's college transcripts
from Occidental College .
Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro,
received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school.
The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought
by the group in the Superior Court of California.
The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a
fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program.
To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship.
This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking.
Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US
citizenship, this is looking pretty grim.
The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about
Obama's legitimacy and qualification to serve as president.
When reached for comment in London , where he has been in meetings with British Prime
Minister Gordon Brown, Obama smiled but refused comment on the issue.
Britain 's Daily Mail has also carried the story in a front-page article titled, "Obama Eligibility Questioned,"
leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama's first official visit
to the U.K.
In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced
that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama's legal eligibility to serve as
President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey .
This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president.
Donofrio's case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama's citizenship or qualifications to
serve as president.
Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of
Obama's campaign spending.
This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records.
Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still on-going but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder.
Mr.. Holder has refused to comment on the matter
U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder.
Mr.. Holder has refused to comment
Indonesia
Left to Right:
Lolo Soetoro, Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro, baby Maya Soetoro, and 9 year old Barry Soetoro
This registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia,
shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro.
Name: Barry Soetoro
Religion: ..... Islam
Nationality: ..... Indonesian
How did little INDONESIAN, Barry Soetoro, (A.K.A. Barack Obama) get around the issue of nationality to become president?
Someone who tells lies is a L __ __ r?
PART 2:
In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group
"Americans for Freedom of Information" has released copies of President Obama's college transcripts
from Occidental College .
Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro,
received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school.
The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought
by the group in the Superior Court of California.
The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a
fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program.
To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship.
This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking.
Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US
citizenship, this is looking pretty grim.
The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about
Obama's legitimacy and qualification to serve as president.
When reached for comment in London , where he has been in meetings with British Prime
Minister Gordon Brown, Obama smiled but refused comment on the issue.
Britain 's Daily Mail has also carried the story in a front-page article titled, "Obama Eligibility Questioned,"
leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama's first official visit
to the U.K.
In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced
that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama's legal eligibility to serve as
President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey .
This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president.
Donofrio's case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama's citizenship or qualifications to
serve as president.
Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of
Obama's campaign spending.
This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records.
Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still on-going but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder.
Mr.. Holder has refused to comment on the matter
U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder.
Mr.. Holder has refused to comment
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I read that and thought........... YES, there is a god!!!!!
But........ I hate to rain on your Friday night parade people, mine too. April Fools Day. Another from Fact check.
But........ I hate to rain on your Friday night parade people, mine too. April Fools Day. Another from Fact check.
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Soooo! How many Dems can we get rid of for this ****in mess that theyput us in. Who signed off on his vetting?
Why are we trusting that Mr. Holder will do the right thing? Just woundering.....
Why are we trusting that Mr. Holder will do the right thing? Just woundering.....
Was that information released on April 1st, 2009? Ummmhhh, April Fools day?
I'm calling BS.
http://rebuildtheparty.ning.com/profiles/blogs/freedom-of-information
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Jsledder beat me. You know what's funny about the snopes link below, they already had an excuse all ready to go, about Obama's school records. Interesting, that they felt it necessary to moot the point, before it was made.
I'm calling BS.
http://rebuildtheparty.ning.com/profiles/blogs/freedom-of-information
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Jsledder beat me. You know what's funny about the snopes link below, they already had an excuse all ready to go, about Obama's school records. Interesting, that they felt it necessary to moot the point, before it was made.
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i still think there is something to the college years deal, how was he traveling to and from these places and under what visa??
That's why it was such a good April Fools Joke, everyone just accepted it. Even a lot of Liberals. Even they know something's not right. And, when it finally is revealed. They'll blame conservatives, for taking so long to find it. Liberals are too Enlightened, for it to be their fault.
I wondered about that because I got that in an email last week and didn't have time to "vet" it and it wasn't mentioned on the two lawyer sites I trust (Apuzzo and Donofrio). This site below, however, does have some interesting stuff in it about the potential HI corruption, but I've only briefly skimmed it. Since I've been devoting every waking moment since last Friday to sleuthing the Hardin thing, I've not had time to check the news on this or anything else for that matter.
This is Leo Donofrio's site, one of the atty's chasing the eligibility issue. This has to do with the HI records people allegedly altering BO's info.
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
Hopefully one of you guys can go through it and give me the Readers Digest version??
This is Leo Donofrio's site, one of the atty's chasing the eligibility issue. This has to do with the HI records people allegedly altering BO's info.
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
Hopefully one of you guys can go through it and give me the Readers Digest version??
Hey look what popped up today! This is the "real" judge, ex-Marine.
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Obama eligibility to see its day in court?
Pivotal hearing decides whether 'birther' case will be trashed, heard on merits
Posted: October 02, 2009
1:00 am Eastern
By Chelsea Schilling
© 2009 WorldNetDaily
A hearing Monday is set to determine whether the U.S. Justice Department will get its motion to dismiss a lawsuit challenging the constitutional eligibility of Barack Obama to hold the office of president or whether the case will move forward to be heard on its merits.
California judge David Carter scheduled a tentative trial date for the case for Jan. 26, 2010. But, to meet that trial date, the case must survive an Oct. 5 hearing on the Department of Justice motion to dismiss....
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=111640
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Obama eligibility to see its day in court?
Pivotal hearing decides whether 'birther' case will be trashed, heard on merits
Posted: October 02, 2009
1:00 am Eastern
By Chelsea Schilling
© 2009 WorldNetDaily
A hearing Monday is set to determine whether the U.S. Justice Department will get its motion to dismiss a lawsuit challenging the constitutional eligibility of Barack Obama to hold the office of president or whether the case will move forward to be heard on its merits.
California judge David Carter scheduled a tentative trial date for the case for Jan. 26, 2010. But, to meet that trial date, the case must survive an Oct. 5 hearing on the Department of Justice motion to dismiss....
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=111640
Barrys School registration from Indonesia
Don't read Indonesian but it does show islam as religion and indonesia as citizenship although it seems to show honolulu as birthplace, but I am sure that was stated and no legal proof was required. Swampy
http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae290/Thunderrcat/OBSchool.jpg
Don't read Indonesian but it does show islam as religion and indonesia as citizenship although it seems to show honolulu as birthplace, but I am sure that was stated and no legal proof was required. Swampy
http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae290/Thunderrcat/OBSchool.jpg
From what I gather, there's a law in HI that if an official makes a public statement about anything, the public has a right to request the documentation they are referring to, i.e., Fukino said to the world that she verified seeing BO's docs, so by law she has to show certain documents.
Here's the statute:
§92F-12 Disclosure required. (a) Any other provision in this chapter to the contrary notwithstanding, each agency shall make available for public inspection and duplication during regular business hours:
(15) Information collected and maintained for the purpose of making information available to the general public;
Here's the article:
DOH DIRECTOR’S OFFICE SHAKEN UP BY CITIZEN’S HUNCH THAT OBAMA HAS ALTERED HIS ORIGINAL VITAL RECORDS
by John Charlton
(Sept. 30, 2009) — Recent public revelations by Attorney Leo Donofrio, that the office of Dr. Chiyome L. Fukino, the Director of the Department of Health for the State of Hawaii, has a policy of obstructing and misdirecting citizens’ requests for information, in violation of Hawaiian Statutes, seem to have led to confusion and rout in the office of the director.
Attorney Donofrio has detailed the requests of TerryK in July, and her subsequent requests in September (part 1 & 2). The Post & Email has also reported the request made last week by another citizen for index data & redacted records, which was also analysed by Attorney Donofrio.
An analysis of the responses received from Janice S. Okubo, Communications Director at the Department of Health, indicates there is panic in the director’s office.
First, there are notable inconsistencies of response, ranging from misdirecting citizens who make requests, to outright denials that the laws allow what they allow; to interpretations of departmental policies as being more binding that Hawaii Statutes.
Second, when the second citizen fired back a letter of complaint, in response to the denial by Janice Okubo, it appears that two of the officials in the Director’s Office who received it — Katherine P. Kealoha and Noemi Pendleton — conveniently fled the office, setting their email programs to “auto reply”, with messages that they would be out of the office for some days. Unwittingly, however, these auto-responders have confirmed that the correspondence was received by Janice Okubo; who as of this report, has continued to refuse to reply to the citizen’s legitimate request.
Moreover in the rejection received by this citizen, to the request made, Okubo sent a completed “Notice to Requester” Form, in PDF format, which bears the form identification note “OIP 4 (rev. 8/29/08)”. In this form, amazingly, the reason for the denial given is as follows:
Cannot be granted because
___ Agency does not maintain the records. Agency believed to maintain records:
___ Agency needs a further description or clarification of the records requested. Please contact the agency
and provide the following information:
_X_ Request requires agency to create a summary or compilation from records not readily retrievable.
The reason given on the PDF form received by the citizen seems discordant with the email which contained it; this gives rise to further speculation that someone in the office staff is not willing to support Okubo’s text of denial with the same assertion. Okubo’s denial read in part:
State law prohibits the Department of Health from disclosing any information about a Hawaii vital record unless the requestor has a direct and tangible interest in the record. This includes verification of vital records and all the information contained in a record. Direct and tangible interest is determined by HRS §338-18(b) which can be found at: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.htm
Considering that the request regarded the index data for the vital records mentioned in the July 28th press release, and the redacted vital records cited in that release (which release waived privacy rights to all readily released information: such as name, place of birth, sex, citizenship of parents), such a categorization of the reason for the denial, on the PDF form, appears to have no veracity, for the following reasons:
1) The vital record index information is readily available in the modern electronic system installed several years ago under Dr. Fukino’s supervision.
2) The vital records themselves must be readily available, since Dr. Fukino has herself publically admitted to viewing them.
3) A redacted copy can quickly be released by her department, which contains no less that 3 printers for this purpose, according to another citizen who has requested a copy of their own vital record in the last 12 months, and confirmed this fact by phone, with an employee in the respective office.
Third, The Post & Email itself has made an information request to the Director’s office, and contrary to apparently normal procedures, no reply at all has been issued after 3 days. The nature of this information request will be disclosed when the 10 day statutory waiting period has expired, or beforehand if a response is received. If Dr. Fukino’s office does not respond by then, the revelations of what kind of information she would be refusing to disclose will shatter any credibility of impartiality on her part.
Finally, Attorney Donofrio has announced that he is preparing legal action on behalf of TerryK against Dr. Fukino and the Department of Health, using the full extent of Hawaii Law which protects, quite forcefully, the rights of the general public to information regarding certain kinds of requests; which requests have already been made or are about to be made.
The Post & Email calls on Governor Lingle and Dr. Fukino to put an end to any sort of undue reticence in this matter, and see to it that the staff of the Department of Health in Hawaii fully comply with Hawaiian Law, the UIPA guidelines, and professional ethics, for the good and tranquility of the Nation.
http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/09/30/is-fukinos-office-in-open-rout/
Here's the statute:
§92F-12 Disclosure required. (a) Any other provision in this chapter to the contrary notwithstanding, each agency shall make available for public inspection and duplication during regular business hours:
(15) Information collected and maintained for the purpose of making information available to the general public;
Here's the article:
DOH DIRECTOR’S OFFICE SHAKEN UP BY CITIZEN’S HUNCH THAT OBAMA HAS ALTERED HIS ORIGINAL VITAL RECORDS
by John Charlton
(Sept. 30, 2009) — Recent public revelations by Attorney Leo Donofrio, that the office of Dr. Chiyome L. Fukino, the Director of the Department of Health for the State of Hawaii, has a policy of obstructing and misdirecting citizens’ requests for information, in violation of Hawaiian Statutes, seem to have led to confusion and rout in the office of the director.
Attorney Donofrio has detailed the requests of TerryK in July, and her subsequent requests in September (part 1 & 2). The Post & Email has also reported the request made last week by another citizen for index data & redacted records, which was also analysed by Attorney Donofrio.
An analysis of the responses received from Janice S. Okubo, Communications Director at the Department of Health, indicates there is panic in the director’s office.
First, there are notable inconsistencies of response, ranging from misdirecting citizens who make requests, to outright denials that the laws allow what they allow; to interpretations of departmental policies as being more binding that Hawaii Statutes.
Second, when the second citizen fired back a letter of complaint, in response to the denial by Janice Okubo, it appears that two of the officials in the Director’s Office who received it — Katherine P. Kealoha and Noemi Pendleton — conveniently fled the office, setting their email programs to “auto reply”, with messages that they would be out of the office for some days. Unwittingly, however, these auto-responders have confirmed that the correspondence was received by Janice Okubo; who as of this report, has continued to refuse to reply to the citizen’s legitimate request.
Moreover in the rejection received by this citizen, to the request made, Okubo sent a completed “Notice to Requester” Form, in PDF format, which bears the form identification note “OIP 4 (rev. 8/29/08)”. In this form, amazingly, the reason for the denial given is as follows:
Cannot be granted because
___ Agency does not maintain the records. Agency believed to maintain records:
___ Agency needs a further description or clarification of the records requested. Please contact the agency
and provide the following information:
_X_ Request requires agency to create a summary or compilation from records not readily retrievable.
The reason given on the PDF form received by the citizen seems discordant with the email which contained it; this gives rise to further speculation that someone in the office staff is not willing to support Okubo’s text of denial with the same assertion. Okubo’s denial read in part:
State law prohibits the Department of Health from disclosing any information about a Hawaii vital record unless the requestor has a direct and tangible interest in the record. This includes verification of vital records and all the information contained in a record. Direct and tangible interest is determined by HRS §338-18(b) which can be found at: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.htm
Considering that the request regarded the index data for the vital records mentioned in the July 28th press release, and the redacted vital records cited in that release (which release waived privacy rights to all readily released information: such as name, place of birth, sex, citizenship of parents), such a categorization of the reason for the denial, on the PDF form, appears to have no veracity, for the following reasons:
1) The vital record index information is readily available in the modern electronic system installed several years ago under Dr. Fukino’s supervision.
2) The vital records themselves must be readily available, since Dr. Fukino has herself publically admitted to viewing them.
3) A redacted copy can quickly be released by her department, which contains no less that 3 printers for this purpose, according to another citizen who has requested a copy of their own vital record in the last 12 months, and confirmed this fact by phone, with an employee in the respective office.
Third, The Post & Email itself has made an information request to the Director’s office, and contrary to apparently normal procedures, no reply at all has been issued after 3 days. The nature of this information request will be disclosed when the 10 day statutory waiting period has expired, or beforehand if a response is received. If Dr. Fukino’s office does not respond by then, the revelations of what kind of information she would be refusing to disclose will shatter any credibility of impartiality on her part.
Finally, Attorney Donofrio has announced that he is preparing legal action on behalf of TerryK against Dr. Fukino and the Department of Health, using the full extent of Hawaii Law which protects, quite forcefully, the rights of the general public to information regarding certain kinds of requests; which requests have already been made or are about to be made.
The Post & Email calls on Governor Lingle and Dr. Fukino to put an end to any sort of undue reticence in this matter, and see to it that the staff of the Department of Health in Hawaii fully comply with Hawaiian Law, the UIPA guidelines, and professional ethics, for the good and tranquility of the Nation.
http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/09/30/is-fukinos-office-in-open-rout/
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This is getting good. One of Donofrio's researchers wrote a brilliant, brilliant letter to HI officials quoting their release of information statute back to them. She had to respond and has backpedaled on several "misstatements."
This last blogpost was very enlightening. As a result of the researcher's letter, HI Dpt of Health has released some data and apparently will be forced to release more.
Here's his letter to her. You can read the context, the law and her response in the link.
Dear Ms. Okubo,
IAW Hawa’ii Revised Statute, paragraph 338-18(d), I am requesting all index data pertaining to the vital records of Mr. Barack H. Obama, Jr, Mr. Barack H. Obama, II, and/or Mr. Barry Soetoro or any other name used by that party.
This statute at para (d) provides officials no authority to withhold the requested information. Therefore, I as an American citizen, am invoking Revised Statute, paragraph 338-18(d) Disclosure of records, which reads as follows: (d) Index data consisting of name and sex of the registrant, type of vital event, and such other data as the director may authorize shall be made available to the public [my emphasis].
Ms. Okubo, I worked for the federal government for 32 years as a contracting officer and can appreciate the position you are in. However, I will tell you this, when it came to doing my job, I never allowed politics to interfere. Call it personal integrity, upholding my principles, or whatever. I went by the acquisition regulations scrupulously, thus, no one could ever contest what I had done. Yes, I encountered opposition when I rebuffed “politics”, but I wouldn’t budge. Standing steadfast sometimes brought me short-term grief, but in the end, right triumphed. I see you in a similar situation. I don’t know you or your personal ethics or agenda. I do know that as a public official and servant to the people, you have a duty to carry out the laws that govern your department.
Ms. Okubo, you cannot escape the duty you have … in providing this information to anyone who requests it. According to the referenced statute, you are to provide me all index data pertaining to the vital records of Mr. Barack H. Obama, Jr (or any other name he has used as indicated above), AND such other data as the director may authorize shall be made available to the public. My request right now is limited to all the index data on Mr. Obama. If you have other information that you care to make available in addition, please send that also.
As a public servant, you have the responsibility to uphold the law in all respects and not cherry-pick what is politically expedient for you or any other public servant. All your public responses that I have seen on the internet to date, absolutely avoid any reference at all to paragraph (d). You obviously don’t want to release Mr. Obama’s index file, but by your own law, you have to. The truth always comes out, Ms. Okubo. You can save yourself embarrassment, if something not more serious, by quickly complying with Hawa’ii Revised Statute, paragraph 338-18(d)…
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress...-ann-and-barack-sr-no-records-for-maya-exist/
This last blogpost was very enlightening. As a result of the researcher's letter, HI Dpt of Health has released some data and apparently will be forced to release more.
Here's his letter to her. You can read the context, the law and her response in the link.
Dear Ms. Okubo,
IAW Hawa’ii Revised Statute, paragraph 338-18(d), I am requesting all index data pertaining to the vital records of Mr. Barack H. Obama, Jr, Mr. Barack H. Obama, II, and/or Mr. Barry Soetoro or any other name used by that party.
This statute at para (d) provides officials no authority to withhold the requested information. Therefore, I as an American citizen, am invoking Revised Statute, paragraph 338-18(d) Disclosure of records, which reads as follows: (d) Index data consisting of name and sex of the registrant, type of vital event, and such other data as the director may authorize shall be made available to the public [my emphasis].
Ms. Okubo, I worked for the federal government for 32 years as a contracting officer and can appreciate the position you are in. However, I will tell you this, when it came to doing my job, I never allowed politics to interfere. Call it personal integrity, upholding my principles, or whatever. I went by the acquisition regulations scrupulously, thus, no one could ever contest what I had done. Yes, I encountered opposition when I rebuffed “politics”, but I wouldn’t budge. Standing steadfast sometimes brought me short-term grief, but in the end, right triumphed. I see you in a similar situation. I don’t know you or your personal ethics or agenda. I do know that as a public official and servant to the people, you have a duty to carry out the laws that govern your department.
Ms. Okubo, you cannot escape the duty you have … in providing this information to anyone who requests it. According to the referenced statute, you are to provide me all index data pertaining to the vital records of Mr. Barack H. Obama, Jr (or any other name he has used as indicated above), AND such other data as the director may authorize shall be made available to the public. My request right now is limited to all the index data on Mr. Obama. If you have other information that you care to make available in addition, please send that also.
As a public servant, you have the responsibility to uphold the law in all respects and not cherry-pick what is politically expedient for you or any other public servant. All your public responses that I have seen on the internet to date, absolutely avoid any reference at all to paragraph (d). You obviously don’t want to release Mr. Obama’s index file, but by your own law, you have to. The truth always comes out, Ms. Okubo. You can save yourself embarrassment, if something not more serious, by quickly complying with Hawa’ii Revised Statute, paragraph 338-18(d)…
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress...-ann-and-barack-sr-no-records-for-maya-exist/
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Trinity Taz
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Now, if the "public servant" in charge of releasing the birth documents has any sense of the law, we will get to see what we have requested.
...but don't hold your breath
...but don't hold your breath
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whittaker727
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