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Obama's birth cert. issue not going away

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The same Obama that has the most Czars of any president? Czars with power, for the first time ever? Czars who's personal records, can't possibly be defended? So, they are hidden.

Wade....Gleaning "Facts" from Glenn Beck isnt a good thing.

Pray tell where do you gather your factoids? Also where did you determine that an Obama admin Czar is suddenly a more powerful "Uber" Czar in comparision to past Czar's?

Conservative criticism of the Obama administration's czars, The Washington Post stated, "Lists drawn up by conservative groups detail as many as 40 czars linked to Obama, although some of the positions existed before he took office, and some did win Senate approval." The Post further reported that "Richard M. Nixon named a drug czar and an energy czar, and George W. Bush named czars to coordinate policy efforts on a range of issues. By one count, Bush had 36 czar positions filled by 46 people during his eight years as president.

For the Snowest record I'm Anti-Czar as well. I'm also anti unprovable unsubstaniated rhetoric.

I prefer to factcheck rather than listen to the very entertaining.....Glenn Beck?:http://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/czar-search/
 
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Bush had czars the same as Clinton.
There is a HUGE difference between those 2 presidents czars and bo's.

Yep, Bush had as many as 36 czars OVER AN 8 YEAR PERIOD, NOT 8 MONTHS.
Bush's czars answered directly to him. They made no policy decisions, they just coordinated his efforts, unlike bo they didn't have the ability to create policy.
ALL of bo's czars have the ability to create policy, those that were vetted and those that weren't (which is most).
Also, non of Clinton's or Bush's czars were admitted communist, socialist or admitted anti-american terrrorist. Neither were any of Bush's or Clintons czars, tax dodgers, pedifiles or admitted anti-soveirnty advocates.

There are numorous and justifiable reasons to demand a full vetting of ALL of bo's czars as well as to do everything in our power to remove most of them for constitutional reason.
 
Bush had czars the same as Clinton.
There is a HUGE difference between those 2 presidents czars and bo's.

Yep, Bush had as many as 36 czars OVER AN 8 YEAR PERIOD, NOT 8 MONTHS.
Bush's czars answered directly to him. They made no policy decisions, they just coordinated his efforts, unlike bo they didn't have the ability to create policy.
ALL of bo's czars have the ability to create policy, those that were vetted and those that weren't (which is most).
Also, non of Clinton's or Bush's czars were admitted communist, socialist or admitted anti-american terrrorist. Neither were any of Bush's or Clintons czars, tax dodgers, pedifiles or admitted anti-soveirnty advocates.

There are numorous and justifiable reasons to demand a full vetting of ALL of bo's czars as well as to do everything in our power to remove most of them for constitutional reason.


I voted for Bush twice. But I also stick to reality and Glenn Beck, Hannity and Rush Limbaugh are not my version of credible or factual.

I'm all for vetting these guys. Its only right. But once again in the pressing need for the Republican party to come across as credible and legit some of the hyperbole is going to have a detrimental effect on getting our guys back in office.

In saying that if we as a party use talk radio show hosts to glean our facts we come across as whiners and hypocrites.

Fact of the matter is Czars have been around in all the admins for a long time...Its nothing new. I would like to see some credible source other than quoting Glenn Beck or Rush that a Obama admin Czar is somehow a new more "Uber" powerful Czar doing something wholly different Vs' prior Admins.

I fact checked and cant find anything credible....Not there. We should stop whining. We lost. Now lets pull up our britches and comvince our friends and neighbors using legitimate concerns, legitimate provable points that they even if they just love Obama and think he is just a swell guy....should look at the GOP alternative.

The alternative is less intrusive goverment, lowered taxes, and a focus on a free market economy with the potential for all Men (And Women) to make a good life for their families. This is what we stand for in the GOP...Not crazy talk radio hyperbole and spin talk!

"Hey that Obama guy is from Kenya...I just know he is Bob. He aint one of us. He really sucks. Danged Kenyan Born Muslim Hitler Alien Commie is what he is"

That my friends will not win us any seats. Will not save our riding areas. Will not get a grip on the massive government spending and takeover. That? Will draw out the folks who dont generally vote anyway...Kinda like last Nov? You guys forget to quickly. Folks will come running out of the ghettos and trailer parks to keep "Us" whom they view as rich fat and spoiled...Down.

You guys scare me with this talk radio stuff. Cant you see how silly and weak it makes our once mighty Republican party look?

To count on Rush and Beck to deliver our message in a twisted contorted mess of lies and hyperbole?

I'm not willing to lose any more riding areas to the libs, pay huge taxes to support government run Lib programs, watch our troops suffer....But you guys make it hard for us to be taken seriously. 70 Million people voted for Barack and his band of merry Dems. They need to be swayed back one at a time sans all the talk radio talking points.

Your friends, relatives and co-workers who helped put all these Dems and the President in office need to for you to share facts and legit stuff with to bring em' back home. Sharing Talk Radio fantasy stuff and looking like whack jobs will get us killed in midterms and in 2012. Dont think your friends and family didnt help get these Dems all this power. They did. They for damn sure did. 70 Million of them did.

I'll no longer post in this section as its obvious I rock the boat and my views are way off the whole "He's a Kenyan" train of thought around here.

He could be from Mars...But he is the sitting President of this country duly elected by the majority and he needs to lose in 2012. How we get there is subjective. I dont think the conspiracy angle is the one to get er' done tho' Gents.

It didnt work in 08' and it wont work in 10' or 12' if we dont get it right. Literally.

Sorry to bug ya!

Let it snow.
 
Yes Bill Ayers and Obama were on the board of the Annenberg Challenge and Fact Check is run by the Annenberg Foundation. I wouldn't think that a great place to fact check Bo.
 
Chazmania
There is a simple but very important point that needs to be made.
The dems are extremely bad for this country, the republicans arn't much better.

We don't need to get "our" guys back in. We need to kick em all out and rethink what we need for politicians.
The basic problem with our federal politcal system as it stands is that people believe the feds have power, which in fact they really don't. We have got to find politicians that will FORCE washington to back down and adhere to the U.S. Constitution.

The feds have stolen power from the states for over 70 years.

Czars are just a lighting rod. Bo has a chingo of em and they are wakjobs that need to go. They are a great way of pointing out the type of person bo is. You are the people you surround yourself with.
 
Chazmania
There is a simple but very important point that needs to be made.
The dems are extremely bad for this country, the republicans arn't much better.

I am definitely going down the court house monday and change my affiliation to Independent. I sure don't want to be one of those mainstream Republicans.
 
So is it your contention that I cant be a part of your or "Your" Republican party until I get on board with the whole Kenya Muslim Hitler alien stuff?

Small correction, I think Obama was born in Hawaii. Small correction, I don't think he's an alien. Small correction, the Hitler picture was funny to me, and nothing that hasn't been done to a few Republican faces. But, now it's all racism if you do it. Not pay back.

Is that the new requirement for getting in the GOP tent? 51% of the voting public getting on board with your..."Beliefs"?

I was referring to allowing others to have their beliefs, in the vacuum of evidence. From the last paragraph, you knew nothing of my beliefs. 51% is roughly what it takes to get a guy elected. To say that all 51% vote that way, for any one set of reasons, would be silly.

You do realize your attacking people's beliefs, for attacking a person's (or party's) beliefs? So, how are you better?

Thats not really a belief tho' is it?....Thats a theory or a "Take". When we turn theory into beliefs we will get ourselves in trouble. We as a party are in trouble right now.

Beliefs are but theorems, yet to be proved or disproved. The only way to advance or destroy it, is to use rigorous informal logic, to develop a formal proof. Logical proofs require data, proven and accepted parallel proofs, and publication. To strengthen your proof, you should also attempt the proof through exhaustion. But, when dealing with statistical probabilities or certainty, your more apt to solve it through inductive logic. Basically, a theorem remains until it's proof is attempted. Q.E.D.

Now, from a theorem to proof, we can use that as a lemma to other theorems. The wall is built of many bricks.

I personally don't see the Republican Party in trouble right now, not from the people. The problem with the Republican Party, correlates with the problems the Democrats face, leadership is weak and of low moral character.


Its your contention that we should all share your "Take" on the birth certificate deal and get on board with the usurping of Hawaii's state policy to cure our curiosity? Whats next? Should we ask to see the mans penis to ensure he is circumsized?

My take is that all voting citizens should have standing to basic data, that substantiates the claims of any elected official. In this case, constitutional requirements are a claim. Hawaii has no standing to determine the federal constitutional merits of the office are met. They only provide the basic data, a document. I've never even seen where Hawaii has provided that basic data to the federal level. And, taking the 10th amendment into consideration, I believe that all state electoral boards have the right to question qualifications. Your reference to Obama's privacy concerns, are touching. But, Obama has made claim to natural born citizenship, for a public office, which requires NBC for the position. He lost privacy claims, as soon as he threw his hat in the ring. Plus, he released his short form document, so he has lost all privacy rights, for most of the document in question anyways. Hawaii's state rights are intact, if Obama proves claims for federal positions.

After all, how screwed up is it, that a party can advance to the end of their prelims, before vetting constitutional requirements. This can only lead to an untenable position of self-vetting the party choice, in the face of obvious legal questions.

Like I said before, to not question qualifications, falls squarely in the lap of those that believe it has not been met. No one else will come forward to do it for them. Which, is sad, isn't it.
 
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Interesting find by the lead plaintiff in Mario's case. Crap, too bad I didn't see this before I sent Judge Carter and Judge Simandle their letters. It would've been nice to bring this to their attention.

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The federal courts and judges are committing treason to the Constitution by not taking jurisdiction and getting to the merits in the various cases before them regarding the Article II eligibility clause question for Obama.

It is worth keeping in mind the words of U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall when he wrote in Cohens v. Virginia 19 US 264 (1821):

"It is most true that this Court will not take jurisdiction if it should not: but it is equally true, that it must take jurisdiction if it should. The judiciary cannot, as the legislature may, avoid a measure because it approaches the confines of the constitution. We cannot pass it by because it is doubtful. With whatever doubts, with whatever difficulties, a case may be attended, we must decide it, if it be brought before us. We have no more right to decline the exercise of jurisdiction which is given, than to usurp that which is not given. The one or the other would be treason to the constitution. Questions may occur which we would gladly avoid; but we cannot avoid them. All we can do is, to exercise our best judgment, and conscientiously to perform our duty. In doing this, on the present occasion, we find this tribunal invested with appellate jurisdiction in all cases arising under the constitution and laws of the United States. We find no exception to this grant, and we cannot insert one."

Link to the treason quote in case context:
http://www.kerchner.com/images/prot...sticemarshallwordsontreasontoconstitution.jpg

Link to Case Summary:
http://www.oyez.org/cases/1792-1850/1821/1821_0

Link to Full Case:
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=19&invol=264

The Judge in the Kerchner v Obama & Congress lawsuit and the Judges in the other cases should simply read the words of U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice Marshall from the past and take jurisdiction of the constitutional question of the Article II eligibility clause in the Constitution and proceed to a fact finding hearing and trial on the merits to see if Obama is Constitutionally eligible or not. I say Obama is NOT eligible. But we need the federal courts to take the cases and get a SCOTUS ruling to settle this.

Charles F. Kerchner, Jr.
CDR USNR (Ret)
Lead Plaintiff
Kerchner et al v Obama & Congress et al
 
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The Carter case is dead, I'm betting Donofrio is saying:

"Section 16-3503 of the federal quo warranto statute allows an “interested person” to approach the DC District Court concerning a quo warranto trial (by jury) without requiring the permission of the US Attorney General or the US Attorney for DC."

Another words, this case can only be legally heard in the DC District Court. Carter is not valid. Now why did the DOJ not bring this up???????

Also, TerriK has found something very interesting about Obama's COLB. Seems it says "Recieved" but not "Accepted" as it should. That and other things really bring into question, Obama's COLB, and Hawaii refuses to discuss it.

This is all very interesting, watching the process work. You learn a lot about the legal system reading all of this. One thing I've decided, there's not "A" conspirousy, theres's about 1000, every person involved in this has an angle. Even to the point of copyrighting the journey, for future books. Wild.
 
I'm not sure how this fits into what you said, Wade, but I know there was a big deal made out of what cases were filed prior to and after the inauguration in terms of jurisdiction. I don't have time to look for it now, but I may have posted it awhile back. I know it was discussed on Taitz's website. But she has several suits going.
 
I don't know if it is so much a conspiracy to cover up as it is a conspiracy to avoid.
it is like the old adage, hot potato, who has to actually catch it and hold onto it will get burned.
 
Blue, no this is new stuff, according to him. This statue clearly defines what court has responsibility to determine federal official's eligibility (and only this court). DC District Court according to the statue. It states that all a person has to do, is file a compliant to the Justice Department, and if it's denied, file it directly to the supreme court, where it will be determined if you have a sound case. You do have to swear to it, and such under penalty of perjury. Such as, Obama was conceived under British Rule, which even Obama concedes, but no one has figured out how to get standing.

So, if it's found to be a valid complaint. Then it's assigned a federal lawyer to prosecute it on behalf of the government. There's also a bunch of hoops you have to jump through, to weed out the frivolous.

An individual (citizen) has no standing. We've heard this many times. The military officiers do, but didn't approach this correctly. So, there's a little known federal law, that saw this coming. The individual brings it to the attention of the court, and the courts have to follow through on it, if it's not easily dismissed. At that point, the federal government picks up the case for you, and runs with it. The federal government, in this case, has standing. This law clearly states, that it may only be brought against a person holding office. So, it's never too late to file this claim. Actually, you couldn't use it until the office was taken.


Seems pretty interesting.
 
I don't know if it is so much a conspiracy to cover up as it is a conspiracy to avoid.
it is like the old adage, hot potato, who has to actually catch it and hold onto it will get burned.

Yha, I'm talking about everyone involved. Even the Donofrio and TerriK split ways for some reason. And, I don't even know what to say about Orly Taitz, she's either a victim or a loon, but at least she likes the fight. The Department of Health people in Hawaii are playing some game, they have decided not to answer question anymore. The entire Media, which seems to be deaf and dumb. The state attorney is doing weird things. The Senator from Hawaii put that stupid declaration that Obama was NBC as a non-binding resolution in Congress. DOJ is playing some games. The Pelosi with her two different letters, she sent to different states. All the judges that are scared to take this on. Clinton even appears to have game in this. But, they all appear to be working for themselves. There's no soap opera with this kinda story.


Here's one of the images Obama put out.
birth.jpg


Here's someone elses COLB, notice the accepted versus filed????
doc_decosta_pat_birth.jpg


Here's what a long form looks like.
hawaii-birth-certificate-1963.jpg
 
I'm sure this doesn't change anything, but interesting nonetheless. US Justice Foundation is part of the Taitz lawsuit somehow with Judge Carter. I'm not sure, but there was some drama between Taitz and the lawyer from USJF. I don't follow this case too closely, I focus mostly on Apuzzo/Kerchner and Donofrio's/TerriK's findings. This was part an email asking for financial help from USJF. The comment about VP Cheney now makes sense as to why the Kerchner case is naming Cheney as a defendant.

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"DOJ attorneys tried to explain to the Judge [Carter] that no Court in the United States had the jurisdiction to rule on whether Barack Hussein Obama was eligible to serve as President of the United States. In their view he could only be impeached and/or disqualified from the Office of President under the 25th Amendment to the U. S. Constitution.

NOT TRUE! USJF pointed out to the Court that both the impeachment statutes, and the 25th Amendment required a sitting President, but if Mr. Obama is not eligible to serve as President, he could not be, and never was, a sitting President, so those options for removal could not apply. Therefore the courts would have jurisdiction...

The Judge raised issues critical to our case:

1. Did Senators question the eligibility of Mr. Obama? (Only Senators Coburn and Shelby and a number of House members.)

2. Were objections made by Members of Congress when the vote of the Electoral College was certified? (NO, then Vice-President Cheney had not performed his required duty of asking for objections, so there could have been none raised.)

DOJ attorneys argued that only Congress, and/or the Electoral College, could decide on the eligibility of Mr. Obama. Fortunately, the USJF legal team filed pleadings pointing out that the DOJ legal arguments in this regard WERE WRONG! And, I was there to argue against those claims.

People at the hearing and those who have found out what happened there since have been contacting USJF, thanking us for standing up for the truth!

But the fight is not over yet! We expect a ruling from the Court any day now. If we defeat the dismissal motion, then we’re immediately filing pleadings (“discovery”) seeking Mr. Obama’s birth certificate, his college records, and so much more. AND, we’ll be seeking to depose Mr. Obama ASAP!

And if the Court grants the motion to dismiss, we’ll be immediately filing an appeal of the decision!
...

Judge Carter has set a trial date of January 26, 2010 in this case. To keep that date, we need to defeat the DOJ dismissal motion, and then, IMMEDIATELY, move right into the discovery phase discussed above.

BUT THAT WILL BE VERY EXPENSIVE AND WE WILL NEED TO:
Retain attorneys in Washington, D. C., to take the Obama deposition.

Retain attorneys in Hawaii to take the deposition of those in control of the Obama birth records and school records.

Take the deposition of Occidental, College officials to obtain Obama school records.

We will have to retain attorneys in Massachusetts to take the deposition of Harvard Law School officials to obtain Obama school records.

Pay the cost of the court reporters for all of these depositions.

Plus, pay the cost of serving the subpoenas on the various witnesses. "
 
This is interesting:

AP declares Obama “Kenyan-Born”!


2004 PIECE DISTRIBUTED WORLD-WIDE PUTS FOCUS ON TIMELINE OF CLAIMS

by John Charlton
(Oct. 14, 2009) — What most people know is that the Associated Press (AP) is one of the largest, internationally recognized, syndicated news services. What most people don’t know that is in 2004, the AP was a “birther” news organization.
How so? Because in a syndicated report, published Sunday, June 27, 2004, by the Kenyan Standard Times, and which was, as of this report, available at
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm
The AP reporter stated the following:
Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.


http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/10/14/ap-declares-obama-kenyan-born/
 
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