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And that is what I think they are hiding.
I think his fathers status is either in question or there is no question and bo's not eligible.
Obama's birth cert. issue not going away
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And that is what I think they are hiding.
I think his fathers status is either in question or there is no question and bo's not eligible.
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Snow Flake
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Wrong again Ollie. Born in the USA is the requirement, who your mother and father are and their status has no bearing on the status new born in the USA natural born citizen. Just ask 20,000,000 Mexicans about it.
The...and subject to the jurisdiction thereof...wording is to give citizenship to those born on military installations and such outside the USA. Gotchya!
Well, my last comment brought out some of the second in command of the nut wing, but where is the H2 and Blue, those guys got the real nut wing chit.
Thanks for the laughs but no thanks, there's nothing new but the nut wing rhetoric in these posts.
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Hey Flakey, why don't you put your other foot in your mouth, you look just a bit lop-sided.
On the other hand, that bent-over position you have yourself in front of Barak is kinda suiting for your type.
Here's an oldie for you to ponder:
"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God; neither were they thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves (Snowflake, Ruffy, J-Fly, liberals, etc.) to be wise, became FOOLS. And changed the glory of God into an image (Obama) made like to corruptible man..." Guess where that came from?
On the other hand, that bent-over position you have yourself in front of Barak is kinda suiting for your type.
Here's an oldie for you to ponder:
"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God; neither were they thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves (Snowflake, Ruffy, J-Fly, liberals, etc.) to be wise, became FOOLS. And changed the glory of God into an image (Obama) made like to corruptible man..." Guess where that came from?
wrong again! you know nothing of the federalist papers, common law etc...the 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof' is concerned with more than 'military installations'! your progressive dialectic is entertaining though...GOTHCHA! spin away! it truly is a good time watching you dance... its kind of like a one legged man(for you that term is used loosely) in a butt kicking contest! LOL! LOL! LOL!
good times had by all... hee hee hee!!! permission to speak is granted from the '2nd in command'! this is fun!
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Kind of hard to swallow the truth isn't it. So you think our president is not a natural born citizen along with the 20,000,000 Mexicans born here to non citizen parents. Or is that just another hidden meaning in the constitution. "Doesn't pertain to Citizens of Mexico."
To use your logic:
Still waiting for the proof. What do you have to hide.
Keep tirades coming, it gets funnier all the time. Your true colors are really showing through the flag you hide behind.
To use your logic:
Still waiting for the proof. What do you have to hide.
Keep tirades coming, it gets funnier all the time. Your true colors are really showing through the flag you hide behind.
what do you have to hide...likewise still waiting for proof from you? your evading the real issue! i know it escapes you... thats understandable...'difficult to dance around this one till you pull it out'!
this is fun!
though im starting to think im a fool for bantering with a fool! tick tock? OK, if I have to pull out some guns here we go, hang on.
First the Birth Certificate issue is running it's course. By this point, if the Hawaii government has made statements that Obama is eligible, there's no way in heck their ever going to let the truth out now. It would be ruinous to them and the state's credibility. To say, they would be willing to vouch for a fake at this point, is plausible. Obama's stalling is working, let's face it. What makes a BC valid, is the state handing it out, and putting their seal on it. I think, they'd do it now, their in a catch 22. Obama 1 - Patriots 0
Second, MTm7 is "probably" technically correct. What he is alluding too is a series of interconnected steps, of constitutional and case law and legal definitions, that point to the need for two American citizens, to be natural born. Basically, the legal theory goes something like this.
In 1797, the english law dictionary, Law of Nations, (yes we use english legal definitions) you know how lawyers like to argue the minute meanings in law and words (what is the meaning of "is), clarified the meaning of "natural born citizen". They say, basically, you are Natural Born to your parents country. father taking precedence.
It was not clearly defined in our constitution, because it depended upon the Law of Nations clarification.
There were some court cases that reaffirmed this, on dates after the 14th amendment was created (so don't go there), but the Supreme Court has never taken the issue up, and given a true definition, in as far as I can tell.
Basically, what they are arguing is, it needs to come before the supreme court.
Here in lies the problem, if you go by the law of the land, Obama may not be legal. The problem I see with it, is people like you, a 30% of the country, would never recognize a legal decision, and just claim it was RNC trickery. Liberals want a more empathetic interpretation of the law, not actual law. So, I doubt anyone (supreme court) wants to hear the issue, fearful of the monster they may create. But, it may get raised in SCOTUS. Then what?
A lot of people believe the long form BC question is killing any chance of getting a hearing on this legal question.
I await a totally emotional response, no facts of course.
First the Birth Certificate issue is running it's course. By this point, if the Hawaii government has made statements that Obama is eligible, there's no way in heck their ever going to let the truth out now. It would be ruinous to them and the state's credibility. To say, they would be willing to vouch for a fake at this point, is plausible. Obama's stalling is working, let's face it. What makes a BC valid, is the state handing it out, and putting their seal on it. I think, they'd do it now, their in a catch 22. Obama 1 - Patriots 0
Second, MTm7 is "probably" technically correct. What he is alluding too is a series of interconnected steps, of constitutional and case law and legal definitions, that point to the need for two American citizens, to be natural born. Basically, the legal theory goes something like this.
In 1797, the english law dictionary, Law of Nations, (yes we use english legal definitions) you know how lawyers like to argue the minute meanings in law and words (what is the meaning of "is), clarified the meaning of "natural born citizen". They say, basically, you are Natural Born to your parents country. father taking precedence.
It was not clearly defined in our constitution, because it depended upon the Law of Nations clarification.
There were some court cases that reaffirmed this, on dates after the 14th amendment was created (so don't go there), but the Supreme Court has never taken the issue up, and given a true definition, in as far as I can tell.
Basically, what they are arguing is, it needs to come before the supreme court.
Here in lies the problem, if you go by the law of the land, Obama may not be legal. The problem I see with it, is people like you, a 30% of the country, would never recognize a legal decision, and just claim it was RNC trickery. Liberals want a more empathetic interpretation of the law, not actual law. So, I doubt anyone (supreme court) wants to hear the issue, fearful of the monster they may create. But, it may get raised in SCOTUS. Then what?
A lot of people believe the long form BC question is killing any chance of getting a hearing on this legal question.
I await a totally emotional response, no facts of course.
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that is exactly how im seeing it...which i fully recognize that im not infallible in my understandings. but with the history of law cases that we can look at as well as the framers and founders concern with the real threat of a FOREIGN ALLEGIANCE being in such a high position i do feel safe in my estimations. im just trying to look at the intent and context of the whole. one cannot be loyal to a document, such as the constitution, and totally disregard the intent of the author(s)... that is just idiotic! heres some background info.:
“Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))
P.A. Madison provides context to Bingham’s definition.
Bingham subscribed to the same view as most everyone in Congress at the time that in order to be born a citizen of the United States one must be born within the allegiance of the Nation. To be born within the allegiance of the United States the parents, or more precisely, the father, must not owe allegiance to some other foreign sovereignty (remember the U.S. abandoned England’s “natural allegiance” doctrine). This of course, explains why emphasis of not owing allegiance to anyone else was the affect of being subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
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Sorry guys. Your wasting your time with the circular logic BS. Nothing in the constitution about parents of a natural born citizen. Born in the USA. That's it. Very simple.
Now for some good reading for me why don't one of you constitution experts write a tirade about the 20,000,000 Mexicans that were born here to illegal entry parents. The new borns can't be deported because they are Born in the USA. Natural born citizen. They are protected by the US constitution. Not some wing nut's interpretation of it.
Now for some good reading for me why don't one of you constitution experts write a tirade about the 20,000,000 Mexicans that were born here to illegal entry parents. The new borns can't be deported because they are Born in the USA. Natural born citizen. They are protected by the US constitution. Not some wing nut's interpretation of it.
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Ho Lee Chit Trinity. Don't take crap on a snowmobile internet forum so seriously. Praise the lord and pass the biscuits.
Where the heck did you get that opinion? There's no constitutional protect for anchor babies, and even then they don't get Natural Born Citizenship. Only citizenship.
I prove it simply, H.R. 1868 (Birthright Citizenship Act of 2009) attempts to strip anchor babies of their citizenship. If it were a constitutional matter, it would take ratification by the states. This is a bill, not a constitution convention.
Under a Supreme Court rule, the supreme court ruled that "the law" requires all person's born here to be granted citizenship. All congress has to do, is change the law, not the constitution.
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The babies are born in the USA and granted citizenship on that basis alone. Tell me again that isn't a natural born citizen.
The anchor baby thing you speak of pertains to the Mother of that natural born citizen. She is the one not protected by the constitution so a law was passed to protect the mothers.
You guys crack me up. Try as you will to drag this thread off topic you still have no proof our president is anything except a hard working American born in the USA of hard working parents just like you were and loves the USA...his country...just like you. He is one of us. Get used to it.
The anchor baby thing you speak of pertains to the Mother of that natural born citizen. She is the one not protected by the constitution so a law was passed to protect the mothers.
You guys crack me up. Try as you will to drag this thread off topic you still have no proof our president is anything except a hard working American born in the USA of hard working parents just like you were and loves the USA...his country...just like you. He is one of us. Get used to it.
What? His mom went to school for a living. I think it's pretty clear she hated the US. His father was a devout communist, he went home, help install communism there. Obama's father's friends where communist His grandmother was a hard working person. Obama's never worked a real job in his life, that I can find reference too. Community organizer does not equal hard worker.
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NOBAMA,
Drill Baby Drill!
Drilling feeds my family
Here is some funny sh!t
http://www.filecabi.net/video/amazing-racist-kkk.html
Drill Baby Drill!
Drilling feeds my family
Here is some funny sh!t
http://www.filecabi.net/video/amazing-racist-kkk.html
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Don't forget his Aunt.........
"OUR" President????? Not by choice, that's for dam sure!! Had the Bronx, homeless, unemployed, single pregant mothers of 4 and hundreds of thousands of other people that don't normally vote not voted, we would have a different President. He won because of the people his campaign attracted, kind of like that cartoon with the guy skipping down the street blowing on his pipe.......... The sheeple heard "spread the wealth" and they came out of the wood work to get this guy elected.
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Why is it the less I say, the better people like me?
Oh it's not that they like you.
They just never realized you could actually debate vs just creating hate and discontent like flakey.
(that is what we call a back handed complement
)Hey, if that's true, all you have to do is never say a work ever again and you will be the most popular guy around.
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It still amazes me that there are so many worthless, stupid people in this country that voted to get the communist bastad elected in the first place. There are a lot of citizens that make me sick, and the liberal media makes me sicker for feeding all of these can't think for themselves morons this bs leftist propaganda.
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