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Obama's birth cert. issue not going away

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Like I said before, if it is true, we will never hear about it.
It will be squashed so fast it is unreal.
I am willing to bet we will be giving Kenya a few billion in aid real soon.

Ding, ding ding ding ding. Ollie wins the prize!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From the Kenya Times.

US pledges to double grants to Kenya
Updated on: Thursday, August 06, 2009
Story by: kagendo irene

AMERICA is set to double grants to Kenya in a move aimed at encouraging economic growth by 2014 United States(US) Secretary of State Hillary Clinton announced yesterday...

http://www.kenyatimesonline.com/content.asp?catid=6&articleId=2889
 
(US pledges to double grants to Kenya
Updated on: Thursday, August 06, 2009
Story by: kagendo irene

AMERICA is set to double grants to Kenya in a move aimed at encouraging economic growth by 2014 United States(US) Secretary of State Hillary Clinton announced yesterday...

http://www.kenyatimesonline.com/cont...articleId=2889 )


Oh boy, I think I'm gonna have a heart attack and die from "not suprise"!

There's a really old book that says "the love of money is the root of ALL EVIL", and this instance is no exception. Is there any man that can't be bought for the right price?
Show me one and you win the staunch American award!
 
Blue Fluff, my read of article 2 of the constitution always was that Obama could not have been a NATURAL BORN citizen no matter where he was born if Stanly Ann Dunham was his mother and Barack H Obama Sr was his father.
Lately everyone, Lou Dobbs and all have saying yes he was born on Hawaii so he is a legal president, so I figured maybe I was stupid or something but I always was a pretty good reader. As far as I can see he has NO CHANCE of being a natural born citizen and according to the constitution and never had a right to be president. Am I wrong?


Wolfy, I think that's what the big controversy is and why I get so pissed when the pundits and MSM and naysayers have NOT read the motions by the attorneys and are utterly ignorant on the issues.

These attorneys have done extremely in-depth studies on the Founders and precedent set and intent, etc.

According to the legal expert whom the Founders relied on heavily, Emmerich De Vattel, you are correct.

The legal opinion and writings of Emmerich De Vattel are used a lot for their argument. "The work of Vattel was read by the founders and framers before the Rev. War, during the Rev. War, after the Rev. War, and at the Constitutional Convention where our Constitution was written. Minds like Madison, Hamilton, and Jay wove the inspiration of Vattel into a new national government."

What is an Article II Natural Born Citizen: http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/04/more-on-what-is-article-ii-natural-born.html

Discussion thread on NBCs: http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/03/natural-born-citizen-discussion-thread.html

Here's a video by Restore the Constutition explaining it (it's posted on the Kerchner lawsuit website.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEnaAZrYqQI


This is another youtube of an explanation of what an NBC is and why BO isn't qualified per the Const and looking at the Naturalization Act of 1790. Child of two United States citizens. That was repealed and replaced in 1795 signed into law by Geo Wash. Children born outside the jurisdiction of the US are "citizens" and not NBCs.

Mitt Romney's dad, George, tried to run for Prez, but he was born in Mexico, even though both parents were citizens. In the primaries he had to drop out.

Conversely if Mexicans have a child in the US they are "citizens" but not Natural Born Citizens because parents are Mexican.

So the current laws even prove that for POTUS (not Congress) the man who is Cmdr in Chief must have utterly the loyalty to the United States of America by the standards stated in the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp2kKNTjH70
 
Oh, Oh, I think heard something about there might be a problem with the crazy lawyer lady web sight birth certificate from Kenya. Something about it is printed on kangaroo hide or something like that. Can someone give me the facts on this? Thank God Ollie saved the original on his hard drive before those libral basturds altered it. Happy Birthers Day.
 
Offly quiet. Has this become "The thread that Birthers wish would go away but isn't going away"?
 
Okay I found one of them. A bunch of yahoos are teasing him about his nuking the moon post.
 
Oh, Oh, I think heard something about there might be a problem with the crazy lawyer lady web sight birth certificate from Kenya. Something about it is printed on kangaroo hide or something like that. Can someone give me the facts on this? Thank God Ollie saved the original on his hard drive before those libral basturds altered it. Happy Birthers Day.

Well.....factcheck.org/the national review/snopes and I'm sure there are others (I usually stop at three cross references) as well as links through wikipedia say it's a 1959 Australian b.c., doctored...

Of course, only **** Tait-Kerchner-youtube and world net know the real truth.
All others are mindless, brainwashed liberal contolled outlets of mis information.
 
Sorry Blue Fluff, I can see that your probably technically right. But, it will never fly. If you haven't noticed, BO is the first "special" president, and as such, he doesn't have to follow the same rules, normal presidents have to follow. He's special, and he's the anti-christ.

The only way in hell you'll have a chance of kicking BO out of office, is to prove he broke a really big law, or was really born in Kenya.

You could win a court decision, assuming you could find a judge willing to hear it, and BO would just sit in the oval office and ignore it. The senate and house would follow him, since we only have two branches of government these days.

The best you can hope for, is to force Hawaii to release the document, find dirt on BO, and use it to change the house and senate to Republican control. Where BO will be a lame duck, and hopefully be voted out, in 2012.

Sorry, I hate the lying sack of bull feces, but bull feces won't stick to BO.

Gotta get that long form birth certificate, and hope there's something on it, that embarrasses the devil.
 
Offly quiet. Has this become "The thread that Birthers wish would go away but isn't going away"?

Love your sarcastic attitude it must help you make friends and influence people but lets take a close look at the issue.
1 I have no Idea where OB was born but I do know a true birth certificate that can be used to get a passport or SS etc and the one posted would not get you either.
2. All other candidates have no problem, with the exception of Clinton's medical records, presenting all records, birth , health , military etc. OB has not presented any of these records. OB has presented no official birth certificate.
3. His mother could have simply went on a trip and was out of US trerritory and suddenly gave birth, she didn't have to be in Kenya just outside the US territory and if he was born he would not be a Natural born citizen, could have been as simple as that.
4. The birth notices in the paper mean absolutely nothing as they could not be used as evidence in a court of law. I am sure if he was born while she was out of the territory she would want to publish these to make it look as though he was born on US territory for many future reasons.
5. Instead of being sarcastic why don't you try and get your fearless leader to step up to the plate, quit being an arrogant marxist ***hole and simply present the certificate that would settle the issue, probably because he doesn't have one.Swampy:eek:
 
Love your sarcastic attitude it must help you make friends and influence people but lets take a close look at the issue.
1 I have no Idea where OB was born but I do know a true birth certificate that can be used to get a passport or SS etc and the one posted would not get you either.
2. All other candidates have no problem, with the exception of Clinton's medical records, presenting all records, birth , health , military etc. OB has not presented any of these records. OB has presented no official birth certificate.
3. His mother could have simply went on a trip and was out of US trerritory and suddenly gave birth, she didn't have to be in Kenya just outside the US territory and if he was born he would not be a Natural born citizen, could have been as simple as that.
4. The birth notices in the paper mean absolutely nothing as they could not be used as evidence in a court of law. I am sure if he was born while she was out of the territory she would want to publish these to make it look as though he was born on US territory for many future reasons.
5. Instead of being sarcastic why don't you try and get your fearless leader to step up to the plate, quit being an arrogant marxist ***hole and simply present the certificate that would settle the issue, probably because he doesn't have one.Swampy:eek:

:beer;
 
5. Instead of being sarcastic why don't you try and get your fearless leader to step up to the plate, quit being an arrogant marxist ***hole and simply present the certificate that would settle the issue, probably because he doesn't have one.Swampy:eek:
:beer;:beer;
 
Prove it.
you keep talking about how all we have is hearsay, well, that is all you have.
We want answers. Nothing more, nothing less.
A claim isn't frivilous until it is proven to be so. Just as a fact isn't a fact till it is proven to be a fact.

This whole thing will just go away if he would be forthright and upfront and RELEASE THE INFORMATION.
His total refusal to release the information is fueling the controversy and growing it.
The dems rabidly back him no matter what he does.
They demand transparency from the white house right up to when it is a dem in the whitehouse, then secrecy and behind closed door deals are perfectly fine.
We can put criminals in charge of the economy, we can appoint czars to run the country in direct conflict with the duties of the congress and senate (bo's own personal political wing).
The dems raised holy heck about the deficit right up till they got total control of it, now they run it up faster than ALL previous administrations COMBINED.

But liberals can't figure out why we are asking questions and demanding answers.
During Bush's reign (yea, I didn't really like him much either), if they had a town hall meeting and someone questioned the actions of Bush, it was patriotic, if they hold a town hall meeting now and someone questions bo, they are right wing extremist that are paid by one lobby group or another.

People are tired of the double standards, they are tired of politicians who don't listen to them, they are tired of politicians who say one thing and do another.

Bottom line, people voted for change and all they got was the same chit in a different bucket.
There is a reason bo's popularity is dropping faster than any pres in the last 30 years.

I have asked every obama supporter the same question.
Maybe you will step up to the plate. No one else has.
If bo is so above board and such a great person.

Why has he refused to release the information?
He demanded McCain and Clinton release all their info, why won't he?
What is he hiding??
If he was born in Hawaii (and to be honest, he prob. was), why not just release the long form birth cert to prove it?

now, lets see if you can answer the questions.

Okey Dokey....First and foremost....you are elluding that I'm an Obama supporter....wrong. I didn't vote for the guy nor any of the current dems from my own state.

2nd...Read my post's again and you will see I never said all you have is heresay....I said you are using your own biased opinion and information from youtube to support your belief....and later I acknowledged that you did infact use another source for your information....World net daily....

3rd...a judge can declare a lawsuit frivolous. When you bring a suit against someone...it is up to you to prove the merits of your suit are worthy of moving forward in court to the hearing judge....and the last 3 suits brought to the supreme court were thrown out....

4th...a fact isn't a fact until it is proven fact...okay...I haven't seen, touched or examind a paper document that is supposed to be the b.c....Have you, in order to declare it a fake? Was the landing of a man on the moon fact? Did Columbus sail the ocean? Did the wars prior to 1900 actually happen?
I can't prove any of it to be fact because I don't know anyone who was actually there, I have to trust text books, encyclopedias, archived newspaper articles, museums and the written word from various reputable sources that have been in buisness a long time.
My sources...and they are limited because I won't become consumed by something when I have read enough information that coroberate's the other.
Ollie....all my information, since posting on this thread, has come from snopes, factcheck, the national review and wikipedia...oh...and the honolulu newspaper from 8-4-61.

5...he already released the info...it just isn't good enough for the conspiracy folks. So they keep the fire burning by blogging about another theory they have and then next thing you know...someone at work is telling you "hey, I read where sumthin' sumthin' sumthin'....." and we go with that as fact and tell the next person in line.

I don't have the answers to your why questions and I personally don't care about it....because....
What you would like me to believe is that from day one on 8-4-61, someone started a cover up so this guy could be president in 2008. To be able to pull this off with a government of our size....you gotta be kidding.
It takes 6 freakin weeks to get a passport dude....
So there's my version of the proof I need as I know it.....now where's yours? No opinions, no blog posts....just reputable sources of info.... left.... right.... middle, I don't care.

This is a bigger scam than the moon landing....hell...all they needed was a closed hollywoood set and the right sound effects.
 
Love your sarcastic attitude it must help you make friends and influence people but lets take a close look at the issue.
1 I have no Idea where OB was born but I do know a true birth certificate that can be used to get a passport or SS etc and the one posted would not get you either.
2. All other candidates have no problem, with the exception of Clinton's medical records, presenting all records, birth , health , military etc. OB has not presented any of these records. OB has presented no official birth certificate.
3. His mother could have simply went on a trip and was out of US trerritory and suddenly gave birth, she didn't have to be in Kenya just outside the US territory and if he was born he would not be a Natural born citizen, could have been as simple as that.
4. The birth notices in the paper mean absolutely nothing as they could not be used as evidence in a court of law. I am sure if he was born while she was out of the territory she would want to publish these to make it look as though he was born on US territory for many future reasons.
5. Instead of being sarcastic why don't you try and get your fearless leader to step up to the plate, quit being an arrogant marxist ***hole and simply present the certificate that would settle the issue, probably because he doesn't have one.Swampy:eek:

On #1....who said that??? The state of Hawaii, the State Dept....just curious because I'm not sure what type of birth certificate would not get me my passport. I'm gonna have to check the guidlines on that one...
On #2...were you there??? Are you really sure that behind some closed doors some of the other candidates weren't gripping about having to turn over a bunch of info??? That's a bold statement saying not one other candidate had a problem with it.....kinda like saying 100% of the innercity's support B.O.
On #3 and 4...another theory and opinion. Let me ask this....How hard would it have been to make a phone call to hawaii, let alone the cost from a third world country like Indonesia or Africa....wait....she must have mailed the newspaper a letter in advance. And of course they wanted to do that because they just knew he would become president some day...proof positive they don't make chit like they used to....like crystal balls.
Documentation can't be used as evidence in a court of law???? Where'd you read that?
So if I end up in court, with a birth notice with my folks name, my name and my sex and someone else is on the other side of the bench simply talking as to why I'm not eligible to my folks inheritence....that their speech would trump my documentation????? If that's the case then we really are in trouble....'cause I'm gonna die a poor man.
Hope you all sleep well tonight...I've gotta go make sure granny had something to eat and doesn't forget to lock her door before bed.....maybe play a game of cribbage if she remembers how...
 
Okay I found one of them. A bunch of yahoos are teasing him about his nuking the moon post.

hey ..you fawking flake ..go fawk yourself before I start a whole new thread on you again ..is that where you want me to go ???,...........and I was such a nice guy last time and pulled it ....maybe next time I won't pull it and let the chips fall where they may :eek:
 
On #1....who said that??? The state of Hawaii, the State Dept....just curious because I'm not sure what type of birth certificate would not get me my passport. I'm gonna have to check the guidlines on that one...
On #2...were you there??? Are you really sure that behind some closed doors some of the other candidates weren't gripping about having to turn over a bunch of info??? That's a bold statement saying not one other candidate had a problem with it.....kinda like saying 100% of the innercity's support B.O.
On #3 and 4...another theory and opinion. Let me ask this....How hard would it have been to make a phone call to hawaii, let alone the cost from a third world country like Indonesia or Africa....wait....she must have mailed the newspaper a letter in advance. And of course they wanted to do that because they just knew he would become president some day...proof positive they don't make chit like they used to....like crystal balls.
Documentation can't be used as evidence in a court of law???? Where'd you read that?
So if I end up in court, with a birth notice with my folks name, my name and my sex and someone else is on the other side of the bench simply talking as to why I'm not eligible to my folks inheritence....that their speech would trump my documentation????? If that's the case then we really are in trouble....'cause I'm gonna die a poor man.
Hope you all sleep well tonight...I've gotta go make sure granny had something to eat and doesn't forget to lock her door before bed.....maybe play a game of cribbage if she remembers how...

Ah, but if you showed up to court with a newspaper article, and I tell the judge, the Hawaii department of health has confirmed the existence, in their achieves, of his original long form birth certificate, what do you think the judge is gonna want to look at? :)

You do remember BO's grandmother was in Hawaii, might have gotten a phone call about the new grandson, and notified the paper herself. There's only one solution to this mess. :beer;
 
5...he already released the info...it just isn't good enough for the conspiracy folks. So they keep the fire burning by blogging about another theory they have and then next thing you know...someone at work is telling you "hey, I read where sumthin' sumthin' sumthin'....." and we go with that as fact and tell the next person in line.

Really?!?!
I don't remember seeing ANYTHING about a long form birth cer.
I don't remember seeing anything concerning his education, where he was, what he learned, under what name he was enrolled, from what country he claimed to be, etc....

As for columbus and the other way out there stuff. You don't have to be present for something to be declared a fact. The problem with bo is that there has been NOTHING put forward that has been asked for. You can't determine if something is fact or frivolous till it has been presented.

As for the moon landing, watched it on tv back when you could actually trust the news to report the truth.

I don't really think bo was born outside the U.S.. I do think he was prob. born in the U.S.. My problem is, and has always been, what is he hiding?? No one spends a million dollars to keep from releasing information unless they have something to hide.

He is the pres. of the United States. I am a citizen of the United States. I have a right to know all about this man, I don't care if he likes it or not. Until such time as he releases the information he is and will always be a sham.

There is a reason the dems have started a serious smear campaign against those that would question bo, it is because more and more people are asking the same exact question I have been asking the whole time.

What is he hiding?
 
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