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Obama's birth cert. issue not going away

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I'm sure this won't convince some of you, but for those who may not have thought about the ramifications of a fraud, raised in other countries, running our country and being commander in chief of the military, this might make some points about the Constitution and the Founding Fathers' statements. The attorney bringing the Kerchner case made these points and I agree with him.

It risks our national security, welfare and ultimate preservation as a country to have a non-Natural Born Citizen. I only pasted the first one and last two paragraphs. If you want to read the rest, they're in the link below. The title of the article is "What to Tell Birther Bashers."

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"The primary issue is whether Obama is an Article II "natural born Citizen," not whether he was born in the U.S. When drafting the eligibility requirements for the President, the Founding Fathers distinguished between "Citizen" and "natural born Citizen" in Article II, sec. 1, cl. 5 and in Articles I, III, and IV of the Constitution. Per the Founders, while Senators and Representatives can be just “citizens,” after 1789 the President must be a "natural born Citizen." The Founders wanted to assure that the Office of President and Commander in Chief of the Military, a non-collegial and unique and powerful civil and military position, was free of all foreign influence and that its holder have sole and absolute allegiance, loyalty, and attachment to the U.S. The “natural born Citizen” clause was the best way for them to assure this....

"If Obama was born in Hawaii, at best, he is a U.S. "citizen" under the 14th Amendment and federal statute. But he is not a "natural born Citizen" under the Constitution, for at the time of his birth under the British Nationality Act 1948 his father was a British subject and Obama himself through descent was also a British subject. Obama has himself admitted to the controlling effect of the British Nationality Act 1948 on his birth. Additionally, in 1963, both his father and Obama also became Kenyan citizens when Kenya obtained its independence from Great Britain.

Obama was born with multiple allegiances (at birth both U.S., if born in the U.S., and British, and also acquired Kenyan citizenship at age 2). Obama also obtained Indonesian citizenship when he was adopted by his step-father in Indonesia at age 6. The Founders would not have allowed such a person who was not born with sole allegiance, loyalty, and attachment to the United States to be President and most importantly, Commander in Chief of the Military. We the People have too many "natural born Citizens" in our country, the largest group of citizens by far, from whom to pick to risk jeopardizing the best interests of the United States by allowing a person born with conflicting allegiances and loyalties to be President and Commander in Chief of our Military.

There simply is no sound reason for risking America’s national security, welfare, and ultimate preservation by allowing a non-"natural born Citizen" to be President and Commander in Chief of the Military. To permit it is a violation of Article II of our Constitution, the supreme law of our land."

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/07/what-to-tell-birthers-bashers.html
 
so you think that the very constitution of our country should be ignored?

Nope.....but I do believe granny down the street should be able to pursue life, liberty and happiness...and a meal and a lawn mowing.

You think that if you just sit back and don't worry about it, it will all work out?

Yup....who in their right mind would risk the presidency with a fake b.c....Would you?

This is a huge issue. It goes to the very foundation of our country.

Your absolutly right...if it were true.

Do I think we should jump on this and go with it without confirming it is real?
Of cource not. It has to be verified.

Then I guess the question is.....who are you going to believe. Who has to verify it in order for you to believe...Snopes, Fox, Palin.....Who?? You have two choices...believe no one because no one can be trusted or believe someone because they are trust worthy untill they prove trustworthy no more...i.e. sources of information.
Coming up with all this crap based on someone heard it from someone who saw a picture on......that's just cafe coffee time solve all the worlds problems in the corner booth with your buddies right there.
I personally thought Bush was a coward because he avoided military service and war through special favors.....but I really didn't care because he won and I thought the losers were just bellyachers. Now were on the opposite end, trying to find a way that makes the guy unfit for potus.....sound like a re-run anybody?????

Bo is pushing this thing more than anyone else. He refuses to release any information.
How???? He released the info back in November.

WHY?
The more he refuses to release the information, the more the issue will grow and the more people will believe the kenya thing.
Bo is about to discover that he is making himself a lameduck.

He already is with his budget and spending....In case you haven't noticed, the budget is doing more harm than the freaking birth certificate conspiracy. Which goes back to my point of the prez a puppet and the house and senate the puppet masters....true?

Peoples confidence in the government is going down fast and it will sink a lot faster if bo doesn't release the information.

Because of the budget and spending.....Pelosi and Reid.

Bo accused Bush of having the most secretive white house in history.
I think he needs to look at his own whitehouse first.

So.....every administration points it's finger at the past one.


We will continue to discuss this issue because it is an issue that needs to be discussed and until bo releases the information, the discussion will turn more and more to his being ineligible to be president.

So tell me why McCain and Palin didn't beat this to death during the elections????
I know...it must have been a conspiracy...that means the Republicans were in on it too.....
So where do you get your information to support your stuff????
I've told you where I got some of mine....
 
So tell me why McCain and Palin didn't beat this to death during the elections????
I know...it must have been a conspiracy...that means the Republicans were in on it too.....
So where do you get your information to support your stuff????
I've told you where I got some of mine....

Obviously, McCain made a lot of bad decision, that's why he lost, and him and Palin where fighting at the end. Call him and ask.
 
So tell me why McCain and Palin didn't beat this to death during the elections????
I know...it must have been a conspiracy...that means the Republicans were in on it too.....
So where do you get your information to support your stuff????
I've told you where I got some of mine....

I posted this before, but maybe you missed it. Straight from Hawaii's government website, not some flaky third party fact checker or blog. http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscur...-0017_0008.HTM
It proves the "information released in November" (ie. his certification of live birth) is not proof of where he's born. You can have a CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH from HAWAII and be BORN ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD!!! That's why he needs to release the ONE document that can prove this...his Birth Certificate.
 
So tell me why McCain and Palin didn't beat this to death during the elections????
I know...it must have been a conspiracy...that means the Republicans were in on it too.....
So where do you get your information to support your stuff????
I've told you where I got some of mine....

wow, were you even awake during the last election cycle?
The media was going after ANYONE that so much as questioned bo.
Just ask Joe the plumber.
McCain was trying (in his moronic way) to look presidential and above the petty bs. McCain was/is a moron that had no buisness in the mix.

Also, define "your stuff?".
If you had actually done any home work and any reading at ALL, you would know my thoughts concerning the RNC and what they did/didn't do during the last election and why.
 
So what your telling me is.....the justice department, the state department, the fbi, the entire rnc, everyone in the house and senate, our state governors, the pentagon (officers are sworn to protect the constitution, not the prez) have all been brainwashed and are in on this whole youtube birthcertificate thing???? They've all been told to be silent or else????
How many people are we talking about in the above departments..????
And you still haven't answered a damn question I've asked....just given your opinion and told me I'm wrong.
 
So what your telling me is.....the justice department, the state department, the fbi, the entire rnc, everyone in the house and senate, our state governors, the pentagon (officers are sworn to protect the constitution, not the prez) have all been brainwashed and are in on this whole youtube birthcertificate thing???? They've all been told to be silent or else????
How many people are we talking about in the above departments..????
And you still haven't answered a damn question I've asked....just given your opinion and told me I'm wrong.

wow, you really didn't read ANYTHING prior to the last couple posts did ya?
Go back and do some reading and all the black helicopter non-sence of your above rant will be answered.
 
Originally Posted by Snow Flake View Post
Well I must admit you guys got the goods on Obama now. A crazy lawyer lady internet sight birth certificate. The best part about this is...now you won't believe this... this is the frosting on our cake...IT HAS CREASES IN IT!

Chit I thought the corvette internet sight birth certificate was enough to nail the demon democrat to the wall. This....is....a....god....send. Praise the lord. We must thank our snowmobile internet forum sight nut wing member from Canada who pointed this out to us. Quick buy more ammo, the revolution is starting.

Woodzy said
See Ollie's signature...

He's on my ignore list. I can't see it
 
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Interesting. This is the list of plaintiffs for just ONE of the suits (brought by Orly Taitz) Quite a few high up military dudes and state representatives.

Captain Pamela Barnett,

Lt. Colonel Richard Norton Bauerbach

Captain Robin D. Biron

Colonel John D. Blair,

Mr. David L. Bosley,
Ms. Loretta G. Bosley,

Captain Harry G. Butler,

Representative Glenn Casada, Tennessee

Jennifer Leah Clark,

Representative Timothy Comerford, NH

Charles Crusemire,

Representative Cynthia Davis, Missouri

Chief Warrant O. Thomas S. Davidson

Matthew Michael Edwards,

Lt. Jason Freese,

Mr. Kurt C. Fuqua,

Officer Clint Grimes,

Representative Casey Guernsey, Missouri

Julliett Ireland,

D. Andrew Johnson,

Israel D. Jones,

Timothy Jones,

Alan Keyes, Ph.D.,

Commander David Fullmer LaRoque,

Gail Lightfoot,

Lita M. Lott,

Major David Grant Mosby,

MSGT Steven Kay Neuenschwander,

Representative Frank Niceley, Tennessee

Retired Senator Jerry O’Neil, Montana,

SFC E7 Robert Lee Perry ,

Representative Larry Rappaport, NH

Colonel Harry Riley,

Sergeant Jeffrey Wayne Rosner,

MSGT Jeffrey Schwilk,

Captain David Smithey,

Lt. Commander John Bruce Steidel,

Cmdr. Douglas Earl Stoeppelwerth

Thomas J Taylor,

Representative Eric Swafford, Tennessee

Captain Neil B. Turner,

Richard E. Venable,

LCDR Jeff Graham Winthrope, and

Lt. Colonel Mark Wriggle,
 
Hmmmmm, Sec of State Clinton's daily apt schedule for today:

U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE

Office of the Spokesman

Daily Appointments Schedule

Monday, August 3, 2009
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11:45 a.m. Secretary Clinton holds a joint press availability with His Excellency Nasser Judeh, Foreign Minister of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.

(OPEN PRESS COVERAGE)

Pre-set time for cameras:10:30 a.m. from the 23rd Street entrance

Final access time for all press: 11:00 a.m. from the 23rd Street entrance

PM depart Andrews Air Force Base en route to Nairobi, Kenya

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/appt/2009appt/august/126832.htm

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These can't be proven, but for those of us who trust the source and have been reading the motions and following the lawyers (Taitz's site), it's encouraging.

Carl says: “I can’t identify myself here because I’d lose my job. I’m a low level employee of the US State Department attached to the Overseas Service and I just finished a conference call with two lawyers in London and two journalists from Politico.com who all stated that they just left a late meeting at the London Foreign Office and they were assured that “The Kenyan birth certificate is without question, 100% authentic.” I’m not surprised.”

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kitau says: “I happen to be Kenyan. I was born 1 month before Obama at Mombasa medical center. I am a teacher here at the MM Shaw Primary School in Kenya. I compared my birth certificate to the one that has been put on by Taitz and mine is exactly the same. I even have the same registrar and format. The type is identical. I am by nature a skeptical person. I teach science here and challenge most things that cannot be proven. So I went to an official registrar today and pulled up the picture on the web. They magnified it and determined it to be authentic. There is even a plaque with Registrar Lavenders name on it as he was a Brit and was in charge of the Registrar office from 1959 until January of 1964. The reason the date on the certificate says republic of Kenya is that we were a republic when the “copy” of the original was ordered. I stress the word “copy.” My copy also has republic of Kenya.” August 3, 9:04 PM
 
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i wonder how long before this hits limbaugh ??

He's made frequent jokes about stuff like the similarities between God and Obama are that neither has as BC, but that's as far as he's gone as far as I know.

This also is on OT's site. A guy took each Hoax claim and made a case why the claims aren't legitimate. Good research with corroboration.
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Claims that "Obama's Kenyan Birth Certificate" are a Hoax and my replies to them.

First of I'd like to say that my analysis and conclusions do not speak for Dr. Orly Taitz in anyway, she will comment when she has time on her blog at www.OrlyTaitzEsq.com/blog1

I personally have NOT yet seen this document in hand, as Orly and I live hours away from each other, so I cannot attest to it's validity, however it does raise 'reasonable doubt' and 'probable cause' in addition to Obama's Grandmother's sworn statement that she was present at Obama's birth in Kenya, as well as the Kenyan Parliaments statementS that Obama was born there, so definitely there is grounds for more investigation and the courts need to act on this matter.

[numbered items are the hoax claims]

1. It was dated Feb 14, 1964 and had the designation Republic of Kenya. However that designation was not official until December 1964.

That does not mean that the documents prior to then were not marked Republic as it would be common for a state after recently declaring it’s independence to act independently rather than continue under old rule.

Kenya declared its Independence from Great Britain in 1963 and evidently started to call itself "The Republic of Kenya"...

unless the writer of this newspaper article from 1963 was a prophet and called it "Republic of Kenya" before Kenya came up with that.
Newspaper article from 1963 journalist refers to Kenyan as a Republic.


2. It’s number 44 O 47 is a bit coincidental with 44th President Obama 47th President

The # appears to read 44,047. Look at the "O" in "MOMBASSA" on the same line, it is a different character than the "0".

NOTE: Senator Obama was the Rep. for the zip code 60606, so does that make him a Hoax? or "the Antichrist"?


3. The name EF Lavender. Earth Friendly Lavender is a detergent.

Also the name of a flowering plant. Lavender is also a SURNAME!


4. Mombasa did not become part of Kenya until 1963. It used to be part of Zanzibar

The document was made in 1964, so pointless to mention.


5. The Coast General Hospital is actually called the Coast Provincial General Hospital

People in all countries tend to shorten names of places, this is not proof of anything either way. And~
"These volunteers from Egypt, the Philippines, the United Kingdom, and the United States worked with a Kenyan medical team at Coast General Hospital." www.operationsmile.ie...


6. There are unconfirmed statements that women who would give birth in 1961 would go to the “Lady Grigg Maternity Hospital” which was later rolled into the Coast Provincial General hospital.
nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com...

The operative words being “unconfirmed statements’ aka hearsay…


7. Obama's father (born in 1936) would have been 24 or 25 when he was born and not 26.

Obama’s Fathers actual birthdate has never been verified, and 25 to 26 seems more accurate.


8. Would a nation with a large number of Muslims actually say "Christian name" (as opposed to name) on the birth certificate?

"The term Christian name is often used as a general synonym for given name".
en.wikipedia.org...
Also, "According to the most recent Kenyan Demographic and Health Survey,1 which presents statistics for a nationally representative sample of women between the ages of 15 and 49 and men between 15 and 54, approximately 88.5% of the population is Christian." And it was even a HIGHER % of Christians (and fewer Muslims) the farther you back to 1963.
pewforum.org...

Obama's father was Muslim and likely Arab as well as being African. Kenya is predominately Christian, but the Coast Province, where Mombasa is at, is majority Muslim.


9. Obama's father's village would be nearer to Nairobi, not Mombasa.

Mombassa, a coastal trading center, would have better facilities than Nairobi where Obama Sr. probably had little or no ties.


10. The place was called the “Central Nyanza District,” not Nyanza Province. The regions were changed to provinces in 1970.

There were districts, provinces and finally regions. There is a lot written about provinces before 61...after 63 regions also were delineated. Provinces and districts are 2 different things. Provinces in Kenya are made up of many districts. This is more like what County is to a State in USA.

"This is a scanned version of the paper map entitled: Kenya produced in 1964 by the Survey of Kenya. The map represents the boundaries of Kenya as well as provincial boundaries".
From Columbia U:
sedac.ciesin.columbia.edu...


11. Orly (the one that starts the majority of these accusations, with her sidekick keys) is no stranger to releasing fake documents and bluffing her way into the court system. Apart from her bluff over the social security accusation she apparently has other birth certificates to show for the lawsuit, one of them below:
Known Hoax Kenyan BC

It is wise to follow all leads about the eligibility or Ineligibility of BHO. Orly made no claim of either document as genuine, in fact her case is a request for authentication as serious questions exist about BHO’s eligibility, especially since his own Grandmother state she was there in Kenya and present during his birth.


12. Now obviously some may be asking whats the difference then between his Hawaiian short form birth certificate and this new "smoking" Kenyan short form?
Obama's Hawaii short form birth certificate was verified by the Hawaiian state government:
To verify we did indeed have the correct document, we contacted the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records.
"It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate," spokesman Janice Okubo said June 13, 2008. www.politifact.com...

That does not answer if it is a Hawaiian registration of a FOREIGN birth or not. Hawaii allowed registration of Foreign births, in facts Obama’s ½ sister Maya Soetoro has a HI COLB but was born in Indonesia.

a) Fukino yesterday issued a statement saying that she and the registrar of vital statistics personally inspected Obama's birth certificate and found it to be valid. www.starbulletin.com...

Valid maybe, but was it a Hawaiian registration of a FOREIGN birth?

b) And then of course there will be the "questioners" who will come our and say "if had just released his long form none of this fuss would be happening". Well:


13. His finished his campaign, his proven sufficiently his eligibility via the law and he is not obligated to prove anything further. The majority spoke on November 4th. The president isn't constitutionally obligated to satisfy every single individual in America - that's impossible.

With all the voted fraud charges against ACORN, once that is exposed, BHO may be found to have far less votes you think… BHO did NOT at anytime prove eligibility, in fact he had gone to great lengths to seal and hid his records and past prior to the election as well. Votes have NOTHING to do with Eligibility.


14. Proving anything will not end the conspiracies being spread about him so get real. In any case his still not obligated to answer to you and your "concerned citizens mob".

BHO as POTUS works for We The People, we the taxpayers, he is not a King and is not above the Law, and he most certainly is required to prove eligibility and to answer any and all questions regarding such. At least such admission of “mob” shows it is not just a small fringe who question BHO legitimacy or lack thereof.


15. The font is from 1995.

No, the font is Prestige Elite, created in 1953. see here;

http://wpcontent.answers.com/wikipe...tigeEliteSP.svg/300px-PrestigeEliteSP.svg.png


http://obamanotqualified.com/hoax-claims_kenyan-birth-certificate-replies.htm
 
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Obviously, McCain made a lot of bad decision, that's why he lost, and him and Palin where fighting at the end. Call him and ask.

They still didn't beat the b.c. issue to death because....McCain was in the same boat. He was born in Panama. It would have raised the same parallel stink they would be trying with B.O.
 
I posted this before, but maybe you missed it. Straight from Hawaii's government website, not some flaky third party fact checker or blog. http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscur...-0017_0008.HTM
It proves the "information released in November" (ie. his certification of live birth) is not proof of where he's born. You can have a CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH from HAWAII and be BORN ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD!!! That's why he needs to release the ONE document that can prove this...his Birth Certificate.

Your right...the certificate that Hawaii would issue would be from the state health dept. of Hawaii....not uncommon for a lot of states that see a lot of emmigrants....but it would state where you were born such as China, Russia, Indonesia...but it won't say Hawaii on it if you weren't born there....
 
They still didn't beat the b.c. issue to death because....McCain was in the same boat. He was born in Panama. It would have raised the same parallel stink they would be trying with B.O.

No, because McCain recognized his constitution problem BEFORE the election. Obama and Hillary, sponsored a vote in the Senate, that basically gave McCain a free pass. They declared him a Natural Born citizen. Now, was it completely legal, no, but the Senate vetted McCain by doing so.

Plus, the Dems had the same problem the Repubs had with Obama, there's no way a Dem would stand up and declare a war vet like McCain not a Natural Born. They would have been running from the vets and military for years. The only question about McCain, is whether he was born on a US military base, or up the canal a piece. Still, two american parents, on assignment with the military, hard to push that one.
 
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No, because McCain recognized his constitution problem BEFORE the election. Obama and Hillary, sponsored a vote in the Senate, that basically gave McCain a free pass. They declared him a Natural Born citizen. Now, was it completely legal, no, but the Senate vetted McCain by doing so.

Plus, the Dems had the same problem the Repubs had with Obama, there's no way a Dem would stand up and declare a war vet like McCain not a Natural Born. They would have been running from the vets and military for years. The only question about McCain, is whether he was born on a US military base, or up the canal a piece. Still, two american parents, on assignment with the military, hard to push that one.

But it wasn't a problem Wade....read the 14th ammendmant of the Constitution.
As long as you are born to a U.S. citizen then your automatically a member of the U.S. of A....Read the birthright clause....Doesn't matter where you are born and there have been a lot of court cases prior to the civil rights movement that back it up.
Obama and Hillary where just utilizing another 5 minutes of fame opp....
 
wow, you really didn't read ANYTHING prior to the last couple posts did ya?
Go back and do some reading and all the black helicopter non-sence of your above rant will be answered.

Actually...I did. I just didn't lock it into the ole memory bank becuase it was all of your biased opinions with no evidence to back it up except for what someone else may have said so you referred to it. That's called hearsay in a court of law.
Oh...you did mention the World Net Daily...twice I think. Honestly, I had never heard of them before this thread. Must be on the same rack as the National Enquierer....
If you want me to rebutt all your past opinions in this thread with fact, I will...all you have to do is say so....And I promise I won't attack you personally, just give you the facts with out regard of what I may think of your socio-economic status, color, or IQ.....or even where you were born....
That was sarcasm....
 
But it wasn't a problem Wade....read the 14th ammendmant of the Constitution.
As long as you are born to a U.S. citizen then your automatically a member of the U.S. of A....Read the birthright clause....Doesn't matter where you are born and there have been a lot of court cases prior to the civil rights movement that back it up.
Obama and Hillary where just utilizing another 5 minutes of fame opp....

I think I said it wasn't exactly legal. You want me to defend the man that lost the election, sorry pass. Obama though, he never asked. He never brought it up himself. He doesn't have any of my respect. McCain, at least I can respect his service record. Obama's service record is something like, get in office, run for a higher office before the last one is done. Oh, and that community organizing stint, more like entitlement cheerleader and riot organizer.
 
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