Obama's birth cert. issue not going away

[Wade]

Actually...I did. I just didn't lock it into the ole memory bank becuase it was all of your biased opinions with no evidence to back it up except for what someone else may have said so you referred to it. That's called hearsay in a court of law.
Oh...you did mention the World Net Daily...twice I think. Honestly, I had never heard of them before this thread. Must be on the same rack as the National Enquierer....
If you want me to rebutt all your past opinions in this thread with fact, I will...all you have to do is say so....And I promise I won't attack you personally, just give you the facts with out regard of what I may think of your socio-economic status, color, or IQ.....or even where you were born....
That was sarcasm....

Ah, but in a court of law, we could make claims and charges, and force evidence. Couldn't we? We could force Hawaii to turn over all documents, couldn't we? Hearsay, is evidence that can not be verified, the word of mouth evidence. But, we know how to verify this, don't we?

 

[defysgravity]

How do you figure that?
The first civil war led us to be the greatest nation on the planet.
Wasn't till FDR that we started going down hill.

You guy's can't be serious...right?
I'm sure you must mean the American Revolutionary War...happened about 1776....a hundred years before the civil war....started over a little thing called taxation without representation...Boston tea party ring a bell....Paul Revere....red coats...Battle of Bunker Hill.....Old Ironsides.....George crossing the Deleware River....the French threatening to attack from the North.....the first organized militia...now known as the USMC.
The New England Patriots......sorry-what was I thinking. Not part of the war.
You know....I used to milk cows in a barn that was built in 1779....has nothing to do with this post, but something jogged my childhood memory.

 

[H2SNOW]

doesn't this site automaticly block brown shirts and Dems ..my bad ...cuz I thought it did

 

[defysgravity]

I think I said it wasn't exactly legal. You want me to defend the man that lost the election, sorry pass. Obama though, he never asked. He never brought it up himself. He doesn't have any of my respect. McCain, at least I can respect his service record. Obama's service record is something like, get in office, run for a higher office before the last one is done. Oh, and that community organizing stint, more like entitlement cheerleader and riot organizer.

Not asking you to defend. My point was, based on the constitution, McCain is just as legal as Obama.
My opinion here....they both knew it, one was born by an american mother on U.S. soil but moved away. The other born on foreign soil by an american mother. They could have made it a major issue/mud slinging event but chose not to...hell they may have even had a conference call over it. Who knows.
I agree with the rest of your post also....much respect for McCain because of his service.
Unfortunatly, B.O. was the better salesman to the majority of Americans....

 

[Wade]

Not asking you to defend. My point was, based on the constitution, McCain is just as legal as Obama.
My opinion here....they both knew it, one was born by an american mother on U.S. soil but moved away. The other born on foreign soil by an american mother. They could have made it a major issue/mud slinging event but chose not to...hell they may have even had a conference call over it. Who knows.
I agree with the rest of your post also....much respect for McCain because of his service.
Unfortunatly, B.O. was the better salesman to the majority of Americans....

Hey I'm with you, if he was born here, heal to the chief. If he was born on American soil (Hawaii), and never relinquished his citizenship, he has ever right to be there. Now, all we have to do is verify he was born here. I'm not worried about, some technicality, that he was born here, but his mom was too young or something, and his dad was African. That's grasping. It's where you where born, and do you love this country. The repubs really screwed up; last election. I hope they get their stuff together and run leaders.

 

[defysgravity]

Ah, but in a court of law, we could make claims and charges, and force evidence. Couldn't we? We could force Hawaii to turn over all documents, couldn't we? Hearsay, is evidence that can not be verified, the word of mouth evidence. But, we know how to verify this, don't we?

Absolutely....but most of us call such claims as frivilous unless you have evidence to get the ball rolling. If you make a claim, you have to have proof of harm to get in. That's why the U.S. Supreme Court has tossed out 3 try's already....no proof of harm or deceit because his party has provided an acceptable b.c. as established by the same guide lines you or I have to go by to get a passport.
Taitz and Kenyen or how ever you spell their names, are going to find the same fate. Just because they have all this huge list of name backing them, doesn't mean anything.
Thank God our forefathers came up with the checks and balances of the 3 branches.

 

[defysgravity]

Hey I'm with you, if he was born here, heal to the chief. If he was born on American soil (Hawaii), and never relinquished his citizenship, he has ever right to be there. Now, all we have to do is verify he was born here. I'm not worried about, some technicality, that he was born here, but his mom was too young or something, and his dad was African. That's grasping. It's where you where born, and do you love this country. The repubs really screwed up; last election. I hope they get their stuff together and run leaders.

He was born on american soil to an american mother. Most all hawaiins have the same b.c. as BO produced. It's called a short form. That's just the way the state of H. does it.
His mother would have had to been a none american giving birth on american soil to not qualify. That's the mothers age thing your refering to. She would have had to have been here 3 years or something.....or something to that affect....
Bottom line is: he was born on u.s. soil to a u.s. mother. Moved away, but the u.s. constitution provides a provision for minors that their citizenship doesn't go away because mom and dad move. He moved back to the u.s. at 10 years old...still a minor....and stayed here.
Kenya's constitution states that they don't allow dual citizenship. So he's not a citizen of that country by marriage, death, birth or conspiracy. So even by default, whether we like it or not, he's a citizen of the u.s.
Funny thing about our founding fathers, they also provided a provision in the 14th amendment, by a 2/3 vote of the house and senate, a person can re-establish his citizenship to the u.s.of a after swearing allegience to another country or helping the enemy or a number of other things. Basically a pardon.

 

[Wade]

Absolutely....but most of us call such claims as frivilous unless you have evidence to get the ball rolling. If you make a claim, you have to have proof of harm to get in. That's why the U.S. Supreme Court has tossed out 3 try's already....no proof of harm or deceit because his party has provided an acceptable b.c. as established by the same guide lines you or I have to go by to get a passport.
Taitz and Kenyen or how ever you spell their names, are going to find the same fate. Just because they have all this huge list of name backing them, doesn't mean anything.
Thank God our forefathers came up with the checks and balances of the 3 branches.

I understand why the law is the way it is. But, aren't all American's subject to the laws BO signs? Therefore, if he singles out "rich peoples", and raises their taxes. Shouldn't a collective representing a large percentage of said minority rich people, who where financially harmed, be entitled to declare legal standing, and seek relief, based on their belief that BO was not legally eligible to sign the harmful law? Should they not be allowed to approach a grand jury, and request review? Should they not be allowed to approach the election commission, and verify that all constitutional requirement where meet?

No, everyone can not have standing. That would be silly. But, the American people collectively should have standing. Anyway, the military angle may prove more speedy.

 

[H2SNOW]

soo after you kids get blaming each other and the parties involved or not ....can you not see that at the end of the day .."The New World Order" is the soup du jur ???

 

[Ollie]

Bottom line is: he was born on u.s. soil to a u.s. mother. Moved away, but the u.s. constitution provides a provision for minors that their citizenship doesn't go away because mom and dad move. He moved back to the u.s. at 10 years old...still a minor....and stayed here.
Kenya's constitution states that they don't allow dual citizenship. So he's not a citizen of that country by marriage, death, birth or conspiracy. So even by default, whether we like it or not, he's a citizen of the u.s.
Funny thing about our founding fathers, they also provided a provision in the 14th amendment, by a 2/3 vote of the house and senate, a person can re-establish his citizenship to the u.s.of a after swearing allegience to another country or helping the enemy or a number of other things. Basically a pardon.

Prove it.
you keep talking about how all we have is hearsay, well, that is all you have.
We want answers. Nothing more, nothing less.
A claim isn't frivilous until it is proven to be so. Just as a fact isn't a fact till it is proven to be a fact.

This whole thing will just go away if he would be forthright and upfront and RELEASE THE INFORMATION.
His total refusal to release the information is fueling the controversy and growing it.
The dems rabidly back him no matter what he does.
They demand transparency from the white house right up to when it is a dem in the whitehouse, then secrecy and behind closed door deals are perfectly fine.
We can put criminals in charge of the economy, we can appoint czars to run the country in direct conflict with the duties of the congress and senate (bo's own personal political wing).
The dems raised holy heck about the deficit right up till they got total control of it, now they run it up faster than ALL previous administrations COMBINED.

But liberals can't figure out why we are asking questions and demanding answers.
During Bush's reign (yea, I didn't really like him much either), if they had a town hall meeting and someone questioned the actions of Bush, it was patriotic, if they hold a town hall meeting now and someone questions bo, they are right wing extremist that are paid by one lobby group or another.

People are tired of the double standards, they are tired of politicians who don't listen to them, they are tired of politicians who say one thing and do another.

Bottom line, people voted for change and all they got was the same chit in a different bucket.
There is a reason bo's popularity is dropping faster than any pres in the last 30 years.

I have asked every obama supporter the same question.
Maybe you will step up to the plate. No one else has.
If bo is so above board and such a great person.

Why has he refused to release the information?
He demanded McCain and Clinton release all their info, why won't he?
What is he hiding??
If he was born in Hawaii (and to be honest, he prob. was), why not just release the long form birth cert to prove it?

now, lets see if you can answer the questions.

 

[Ollie]

soo after you kids get blaming each other and the parties involved or not ....can you not see that at the end of the day .."The New World Order" is the soup du jur ???

If by "soup du jur" you mean bucket of chit, you would be correct.

 

[Wolfrun]

Obama declared his administration would be the most transparent in history but in truth has been the most opaque. Eventually he has to come up with some paperwork on himself or he will destroy his presidency. It almost seem like he wants to start a civil war so he can declare martial law and really take over. Ridicules? Maybe, maybe not.
H2, you are right about the Bilderberg Group, the New World Order, the North American Union, population reduction and all (remember Margaret Sanger?). Turbo Tax Tim Geithner is even a member of the Bilderbergs now along with both Bushs, Bill Clinton, Dick Cheney, Larry Summers and all. You wonder why they keep talking about changing our dollar? Yes H2, there is a lot to think about.

 

[bungeeguy]

Obama's mom was a slut!

 

[blue fluff]

Let's try again.

I'm sure this won't convince some of you, but for those who may not have thought about the ramifications of a fraud, raised in other countries, running our country and being commander in chief of the military, this might make some points about the Constitution and the Founding Fathers' statements. The attorney bringing the Kerchner case made these points and I agree with him.

It risks our national security, welfare and ultimate preservation as a country to have a non-Natural Born Citizen. I only pasted the first one and last two paragraphs. If you want to read the rest, they're in the link below. The title of the article is "What to Tell Birther Bashers."

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"The primary issue is whether Obama is an Article II "natural born Citizen," not whether he was born in the U.S. When drafting the eligibility requirements for the President, the Founding Fathers distinguished between "Citizen" and "natural born Citizen" in Article II, sec. 1, cl. 5 and in Articles I, III, and IV of the Constitution. Per the Founders, while Senators and Representatives can be just “citizens,” after 1789 the President must be a "natural born Citizen." The Founders wanted to assure that the Office of President and Commander in Chief of the Military, a non-collegial and unique and powerful civil and military position, was free of all foreign influence and that its holder have sole and absolute allegiance, loyalty, and attachment to the U.S. The “natural born Citizen” clause was the best way for them to assure this....

"If Obama was born in Hawaii, at best, he is a U.S. "citizen" under the 14th Amendment and federal statute. But he is not a "natural born Citizen" under the Constitution, for at the time of his birth under the British Nationality Act 1948 his father was a British subject and Obama himself through descent was also a British subject. Obama has himself admitted to the controlling effect of the British Nationality Act 1948 on his birth. Additionally, in 1963, both his father and Obama also became Kenyan citizens when Kenya obtained its independence from Great Britain.

Obama was born with multiple allegiances (at birth both U.S., if born in the U.S., and British, and also acquired Kenyan citizenship at age 2). Obama also obtained Indonesian citizenship when he was adopted by his step-father in Indonesia at age 6. The Founders would not have allowed such a person who was not born with sole allegiance, loyalty, and attachment to the United States to be President and most importantly, Commander in Chief of the Military. We the People have too many "natural born Citizens" in our country, the largest group of citizens by far, from whom to pick to risk jeopardizing the best interests of the United States by allowing a person born with conflicting allegiances and loyalties to be President and Commander in Chief of our Military.

There simply is no sound reason for risking America’s national security, welfare, and ultimate preservation by allowing a non-"natural born Citizen" to be President and Commander in Chief of the Military. To permit it is a violation of Article II of our Constitution, the supreme law of our land."

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/07/what-to-tell-birthers-bashers.html

 

[blue fluff]

So why is Hillary in Kenya?? (see post 331)

 

[Anylizer]

quote:
So why is Hillary in Kenya??


Maybe a little political hug???? read "SQUEEZE"

A.

 

[Ollie]

Like I said before, if it is true, we will never hear about it.
It will be squashed so fast it is unreal.
I am willing to bet we will be giving Kenya a few billion in aid real soon.

 

[yardsale_oem]

And why should it go away??..................this topic among many needs to stay on the publics foremost interst.

 

[yardsale_oem]

if i had a sh!tty vehicle, I would tape it back together with NO-BAMA bumper stickers!

 

[Wolfrun]

Blue Fluff, my read of article 2 of the constitution always was that Obama could not have been a NATURAL BORN citizen no matter where he was born if Stanly Ann Dunham was his mother and Barack H Obama Sr was his father.
Lately everyone, Lou Dobbs and all have saying yes he was born on Hawaii so he is a legal president, so I figured maybe I was stupid or something but I always was a pretty good reader. As far as I can see he has NO CHANCE of being a natural born citizen and according to the constitution and never had a right to be president. Am I wrong?