Obama's birth cert. issue not going away

[blue fluff]

Sorry Blue Fluff, I can see that your probably technically right. But, it will never fly. If you haven't noticed, BO is the first "special" president, and as such, he doesn't have to follow the same rules, normal presidents have to follow. He's special, and he's the anti-christ.

The only way in hell you'll have a chance of kicking BO out of office, is to prove he broke a really big law, or was really born in Kenya.

You could win a court decision, assuming you could find a judge willing to hear it, and BO would just sit in the oval office and ignore it. The senate and house would follow him, since we only have two branches of government these days.

The best you can hope for, is to force Hawaii to release the document, find dirt on BO, and use it to change the house and senate to Republican control. Where BO will be a lame duck, and hopefully be voted out, in 2012.

Sorry, I hate the lying sack of bull feces, but bull feces won't stick to BO.

Gotta get that long form birth certificate, and hope there's something on it, that embarrasses the devil.

Wade, I agree with you that it may "go away" -- Chicago politics style. (the following isn't directed at you, it's just what is happening that, for me, is mind-boggling)

I really don't care where he was born or if he even stays as president, (although it would be fun to have Biden for prez), it ain't gonna change the stuff that's going on in Congress until we start getting honest people with integrity in DC (yeah,right)

I really don't care who is right or who is wrong, it's about "what is he hiding?" in the sealed school, passport and BC info. What motivation would anyone have for hiding those records, ESPECIALLY if you are supposedly the most powerful person in the world?

But in reading the actual motions and investigative work done by the PIs and attorneys in several cases, there is a LOT that is not answered. NO ONE has satisfactorily answered the issues. Right or wrong isn't the issue to me, I want to MAKE him show us the documents that he's working so hard to hide.

I cannot for the life of me figure out how ANYone who has looked at the actual evidence in the motions and in the investigations can just roll over and let this go. If this were a conservative president, would the Left let it go? I want answers. Period.

Instead of explaining how other people born in HI have detailed copies of their BCs;
instead of explaining why the neighbor who has lived next to the address given in the birth announcement for over 50 years says no such people lived there (maybe she's senile or has an "agenda"? but prove it!);
instead of explaining why Kenyans celebrate the place of Obama's birth in Kenya (maybe they're making it up or are sentimental, but why?);
instead of explaining how an exact replica of what BO posts on his site can be replicated by any home computer in five minutes and why should we accept that as proof;
instead of explaining why on earth we just take the word of some employee in the HI records department that she's seen it;
instead of explaining WHY the time lines don't line up for when his mom was supposed to be in one place, but school records prove she was in another...
(for those of you who want proof of those statements start at the first post in this thread and read the evidence)

instead of explaining those and tons of other stuff when we KNOW this man is a deceitful, corrupt politician, who has lied on other documents, WHY is it so horrible to ask for proof?

Instead, you can tell it's a threat to the Left because they try to mock, disparage, marginalize, dismiss, name-call, etc., but they offer LAME reasons that don't hold up.

Why is it a conspiracy to demand the promised transparency?

To me, they discredit themselves when they insult my intelligence by saying "proof" has been given. It shows they are unfamiliar with the discoveries in the motions. If BO's forgery on the Net is proof, then why would they try to discredit the Kenyan copy?

The more they scream, the more I'll pursue and get the facts out. When a Daily Kos!!! poll says 58% of conservatives would like to see the sealed documents, that's not quite "fringe."

I'm an extremely careful person with what I disseminate I almost always verify. I have even DEFENDED Obama on several occasions when I get repeated emails that he's a Muslim (he may be but there is no proof of that) and when I get emails that his book quotes certain things (some is true and some is taken out of context and some is false). I tell people that it's not accurate. Fair is fair, integrity is integrity and truth is truth.

I thought people who believed in the concentration camp theories were ridiculous. I read the bill and it wasn't anything concerning.

So frankly, I dismiss the naysayers as uninformed and if they are curious or want to know or have questions wanting to be informed, I show them. Otherwise I don't waste my time.

This president flaunts the law and the constitution on a regular basis, doing whatever the Hell he wants, I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt on this.

I want people to at least see him for what he is so they stop their slobbering and know what they are dealing with.

 

[Wolfrun]

Thank you very much, Blue.

 

[Ollie]

^^^X2^^^

 

[H2SNOW]

^^^X2^^^

what he said

 

[ski-doo junkie]

Right on Blue

 

[Super B]

What Blue said!!

 

[Wade]

not an accurate comparison.....

So you want a bunch of people not from the state of Hawaii to tell the STATE of Hawaii if the certificate of birth that they have on record is valid or not?

Aren't you one of those "states rights" type of guys?

The state of Hawaii has said many times that it is valid.. that is it, that is the end, no more discussion, get over it...

I am a state's right guy. My state, Idaho, has the right to know if BO is a legal president. Hawaii can call him big Kahuna all they want. But, if they have records, and expect my state to accept his leadership, then they damn well better cough up the records.

You say Hawaii said this, and Hawaii said that. Don't we have some Republicans in Hawaii, that could verify this. Or, do we only get the word of a couple Democrats, elected to office, and hoping for increased ear-marks, for helping one of "their own".

The goose is waiting.

 

[Wade]

Wade, I agree with you that it may "go away" -- Chicago politics style. (the following isn't directed at you, it's just what is happening that, for me, is mind-boggling)

I really don't care where he was born or if he even stays as president, (although it would be fun to have Biden for prez), it ain't gonna change the stuff that's going on in Congress until we start getting honest people with integrity in DC (yeah,right)

I really don't care who is right or who is wrong, it's about "what is he hiding?" in the sealed school, passport and BC info. What motivation would anyone have for hiding those records, ESPECIALLY if you are supposedly the most powerful person in the world?

But in reading the actual motions and investigative work done by the PIs and attorneys in several cases, there is a LOT that is not answered. NO ONE has satisfactorily answered the issues. Right or wrong isn't the issue to me, I want to MAKE him show us the documents that he's working so hard to hide.

I cannot for the life of me figure out how ANYone who has looked at the actual evidence in the motions and in the investigations can just roll over and let this go. If this were a conservative president, would the Left let it go? I want answers. Period.

Instead of explaining how other people born in HI have detailed copies of their BCs;
instead of explaining why the neighbor who has lived next to the address given in the birth announcement for over 50 years says no such people lived there (maybe she's senile or has an "agenda"? but prove it!);
instead of explaining why Kenyans celebrate the place of Obama's birth in Kenya (maybe they're making it up or are sentimental, but why?);
instead of explaining how an exact replica of what BO posts on his site can be replicated by any home computer in five minutes and why should we accept that as proof;
instead of explaining why on earth we just take the word of some employee in the HI records department that she's seen it;
instead of explaining WHY the time lines don't line up for when his mom was supposed to be in one place, but school records prove she was in another...
(for those of you who want proof of those statements start at the first post in this thread and read the evidence)

instead of explaining those and tons of other stuff when we KNOW this man is a deceitful, corrupt politician, who has lied on other documents, WHY is it so horrible to ask for proof?

Instead, you can tell it's a threat to the Left because they try to mock, disparage, marginalize, dismiss, name-call, etc., but they offer LAME reasons that don't hold up.

Why is it a conspiracy to demand the promised transparency?

To me, they discredit themselves when they insult my intelligence by saying "proof" has been given. It shows they are unfamiliar with the discoveries in the motions. If BO's forgery on the Net is proof, then why would they try to discredit the Kenyan copy?

The more they scream, the more I'll pursue and get the facts out. When a Daily Kos!!! poll says 58% of conservatives would like to see the sealed documents, that's not quite "fringe."

I'm an extremely careful person with what I disseminate I almost always verify. I have even DEFENDED Obama on several occasions when I get repeated emails that he's a Muslim (he may be but there is no proof of that) and when I get emails that his book quotes certain things (some is true and some is taken out of context and some is false). I tell people that it's not accurate. Fair is fair, integrity is integrity and truth is truth.

I thought people who believed in the concentration camp theories were ridiculous. I read the bill and it wasn't anything concerning.

So frankly, I dismiss the naysayers as uninformed and if they are curious or want to know or have questions wanting to be informed, I show them. Otherwise I don't waste my time.

This president flaunts the law and the constitution on a regular basis, doing whatever the Hell he wants, I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt on this.

I want people to at least see him for what he is so they stop their slobbering and know what they are dealing with.

Good to hear. That's exactly the way I feel. I want the truth on the guy. I also don't care about most of the nit picking technical legal stuff. I want his records released, so we can judge the man, not the myth.

 

[SkiDoobyDoo]

Someone just sent me this link. If FactCheck.org is to be trusted...

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

I dunno...

 

[Snow Flake]

So now what is the question about the birth certificate?

I've lost track trying to figure out what all the BS cut and paste internet hoax horse chit that's being posted here as evidence has to do with anything except the nut wing showing their true colors.

 

[Wade]

Someone just sent me this link. If FactCheck.org is to be trusted...

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

I dunno...

Read the whole thing. They mostly agreed with everything we are saying. Hawaii Department of Health has the long form, and can't release it too the president of the united states. Hummm. And, won't answer the question why.

Obama, can't get a copy of his long form, because, well we don't know. Can't answer the question and quickly changes the subject. Notice the part where Corsi brings this up, and they change the subject to forgery, brings it up again, and again they Doocy takes a hard left into the corn field. None of these people can answer one simple fracking question. I choose to believe they just don't have a logical answer, so they are ignorant.

The part that I'm having a hard time with, you can get a passport with a short form? I seriously doubt it. But, maybe you can. Have to look that up.

 

[Ollie]

The part I am still having a problem with is Why?
Why not just release it?
Why continue to fuel the speculation?
Why continue to fuel the controversy?
Why continue to harm the office of the president and undermine the citizens confidence in washington?

 

[blue fluff]

Not sure how much truth there is to this article in Canada Free Press about what the Northeast Intelligence Network has uncovered, but interesting given the Chicago style tactics with Inspector Generals and others and planting questions in press conferences that even Helen Thomas objected to. It looks like there were threats from the White House back last year about News people talking about the BC.

First, who is the NIN?:
"The Northeast Intelligence Network is comprised of a network of veteran, licensed professional investigators, analysts, military affairs specialists and researchers who have combined their resources in response to the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States by Islamic terrorists. Team members volunteers their time and combine their expertise to fill a specific niche in the private sector to research, investigate and analyze potential terrorist threats that continue to face the United States. Each professional member of the Northeast Intelligence Network excels in their various fields of expertise and has a proven track record of successes."
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"Media Blackout on Obama eligibility dates back to November

Do you remember Watergate? Thirty-five years ago this Sunday, U.S. President Richard M. Nixon submitted his letter of resignation for his role in the scandal. There was the crime – the break-in, and then there was the cover-up by the Nixon administration. There were threats, media manipulation and disinformation. It was the cover-up more than the crime itself in the aftermath of the Watergate break-in that led to the downfall of the Nixon administration. It was a politically critical time for our country, but we survived because of the strength of the U.S. constitution.

Now, we potentially face a new constitutional crisis stemming from the refusal of Barack Hussein Obama to produce a one-page document that would confirm his eligibility to hold the highest office in the land. Eligibility to hold office is not a “fringe” matter, but a core constitutional issue that lies at the very heart of a growing controversy.

Although we do not have the birth certificate or proof of ineligibility, the Northeast Intelligence Network and Canada Free Press have documentation of a cover-up relating to the issue of Obama’s eligibility to hold office. The proof we possess not only exposes a well orchestrated cover-up, but also provides critical insight into why the topic of Obama’s eligibility has failed to gain traction in the corporate media.

The Northeast Intelligence Network and Canada Free Press are in possession of extremely sensitive investigative documents, including a stunning written admission by a nationally known talk show host stating that he was threatened with his career – or worse - should he talk about the issue of Barack Hussein Obama’s birth records to a national audience. This document was obtained on December 10, 2008, and provides explicit detail of a “gag order” imposed on this host before and immediately following the national election last November.

After receiving and authenticating the document, US based veteran private investigator Douglas J. Hagmann opened a full scale investigation into the media blackout, with specific emphasis on tracing the blackout origins to those issuing them. This investigation was conducted in conjunction with Judi McLeod, founding editor of Canada Free Press and Brian Thompson, CFP Information Technology chief following a meeting near Toronto, Ontario last December. At that meeting, it was decided to keep the existence of the document secret until additional evidence could be obtained.

Today, after an extensive eight month investigation, the Northeast Intelligence Network and Canada Free Press are breaking their silence and revealing explosive information about a widespread cover-up that began at the earliest stages of the Obama presidential campaign. The cover-up traces back to some of the most powerful and influential people in the U.S. and continues today.

Summary of the Evidence

As noted above, we are in possession of a written account by a well known national talk show host who details how he was prohibited to discuss the controversy of Barack Hussein Obama’s eligibility as president of the United States. This signed document cites exact dates and times when he was forbidden to discuss any aspect of the birth certificate controversy, and includes direct references to the individuals responsible for such prohibitions. Further, his statement identifies the individuals who originated the orders and their positions, and confirms that failure to adhere to the order would likely end his career in that industry. He also confirms that other, less specific but more menacing threats were implied during conversations with those making the subject off limits.

Although we possess the original document containing the name and contact information of the talk show host, we have decided not to publish his name or network affiliation at this time. Based on the correspondence from this individual and respecting the nature of the threats to him personally and professionally, it is our decision to allow him to enjoy anonymity until such time as he decides to reveal the facts himself at a time of his choosing.

From multiple interviews conducted within the last eight months, we have obtained information from other sources, independent of the above, who have also been instructed to avoid any discussion of the birth certificate issue at all costs, to wit:

The account of an administrative assistant employed in New York City by a cable network news station who provided significant, detailed information of a 2008 meeting between the top network executive and four-(4) well-known news anchors. This source confirmed that she drafted the memo to the various hosts to notify them of the date, time and location of this high-level meeting at the request of the network’s top executive.

Present at this meeting, she verified that the network official issued “warnings” to the personalities “to avoid any on-air discussion of the birth place, eligibility, and news accounts of litigation compelling [Barack Hussein] Obama to produce a legitimate copy of his birth certificate.” She stated that the network executive had her arrange the conference immediately following a meeting “between [the network executive] and an attorney closely associated with candidate Obama who was acting on his behalf.”

The statement of a corporate secretary for a major news network confirming the existence of a one-page inter-office memo, bearing the markings “confidential” and “not for dissemination,” addressed and distributed to news anchors and on-air talent” that specifically instructed the recipients to avoid any discussion pertaining to the Obama birth certificate controversy. The memo was written and distributed in October 2008, and specifically instructed on-air talent to “advise guests, as necessary, to refrain from citing any news story, legal proceedings, Internet ‘blogs’ or other sources that pertain to the ongoing eligibility controversy of future President Barack Obama.”

As outlined above, our Investigation has uncovered both direct and indirect evidence of threats being made against some of the nation’s top radio and television personalities, which would explain some giving this topic mere lip service. As one source interviewed during the course of this investigation stated, “I’ve got a career and family to think about.”

Although no one should be surprised over the manipulation of the news, the nature of this manipulation, and the extent of the threats against journalists, should shock even the most well grounded.

Any reasonable person must question the motivation of the media moguls. The individuals who have – and continue to threaten talk show hosts, news anchors, and others are the top people. We are not talking about mid or upper level management – this is from the very top in all cases. If there is nothing to the birth certificate issue and the question of eligibility, why the secrecy?"

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/13373

 

[Snow Flake]

I am 70 years old an have followed politics closely since since Isenhower. I physically can not say Obama is my president. I would barf. If he can prove to me he is legal according to the Constitution then fine I will do it.

I feel sorry for you Wolf. That's a hell of a way to have to feel. You should be enjoying your life. Just remember, life is what you make it and don't take the fouled plug discussions to seriously. Go for a flight in that beaver, it's pure therapy.

 

[Ollie]

I would like to see this evidence.
It wouldn't surprise me, but I still want to see it.
I lived thru watergate.
There are some of the same bs going on now, only on a MUCH larger scale.
hopefully they will release it soon so it can be confirmed.
It it's true, or even part of it is true, this is about to get even more interesting.

 

[blue fluff]

I'd like to see it too. The way the email from the talk show host is worded in the image at the bottom of my post under the link does not sound like O'Reilly. Using the word "weird" sounds more Beck's style. Not sure about Dobbs. But Beck refers to us as "the birther idiots" so it's prolly not him. (and because of that little label, he's now on my sh** list. He didn't bother to say WHY, just called us idiots.)

It was a "cable network news station" in New York City so that I assume means CNN, Fox, MSNBC

 

[blue fluff]

Someone just sent me this link. If FactCheck.org is to be trusted...

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

I dunno...

Annenberg is a well-known liberal organization that Obama has given a lot of money to.

The several pictures close up of the text and seal do not show the whole document so we don't know what those were taken off of.

 

[Wolfrun]

The one picture showing the entire document shows not much evidence of sharp folds. I know a bit about editing pictures. My son does it for a living. Nor does it explain spending almost a million dollars to prevent any one from knowing any more about it . I am not impressed. I never saw anything from Fact Check. org that was worth spit when it had anything to do with BO either.

 

[Wolfrun]

I feel sorry for you Wolf. That's a hell of a way to have to feel. You should be enjoying your life. Just remember, life is what you make it and don't take the fouled plug discussions to seriously. Go for a flight in that beaver, it's pure therapy.

Believe me I am enjoying My life. I am eating fresh lake and rainbow trout a couple of nights a week, had a tee bone last night, turned down a guy who wanted me to build a road for him this morning, took a ride in the twin turboed Audi this afternoon (135+-) and I am doing just fine. I just feel a little concern for my country. It has been real good to me and and I would like to see it doing a little better than it is doing right now. Than you for your concern, Wolf

 

[blue fluff]

Interesting!

If you get the red flag warning, I've been ignoring it because it's sabotage and she states that on her site. (click on Ignore this Warning bottom right)

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=3652