New poll for 2011 and 12 pro motor issues..

[rmk2112]

C'mon guys, you're basing this entire thread discussion on 300 votes on 1 snowmobiling website and trying to extrapolate that it even remotely portrays a "good" percentage on how bad the Polaris motor is?

That is the biggest reach to try and prove a point I have every seen. I'm not saying that there are no issues with the Poo's motor, but there are people in all the manufacturer sections who like to stir the negative pot by posting inflammatory statements filled with skewed numbers that supports their "opinions".

If you like it, buy it
If you don't, then don't
If you're going to try and prove a point, do your research and post real numbers/facts. Don't embarrass yourself anymore trying to defend your position based on incomplete and made up "facts".

 

[Norway]

C'mon guys, you're basing this entire thread discussion on 300 votes on 1 snowmobiling website and trying to extrapolate that it even remotely portrays a "good" percentage on how bad the Polaris motor is?

That is the biggest reach to try and prove a point I have every seen. I'm not saying that there are no issues with the Poo's motor, but there are people in all the manufacturer sections who like to stir the negative pot by posting inflammatory statements filled with skewed numbers that supports their "opinions".

If you like it, buy it
If you don't, then don't
If you're going to try and prove a point, do your research and post real numbers/facts. Don't embarrass yourself anymore trying to defend your position based on incomplete and made up "facts".

Ok, not denying your thoughts has some merit. But the failure rate holds steady on 12%.

People have been buying and riding/modding/abusing/not servicing sleds for decades. I've been on this site since -99 or something.

What, in your opinion, is new? Why polaris and why the engine? Since it's so much hype?

Don't read flame in this, just asking buddy.

 

[rocket]

C'mon guys, you're basing this entire thread discussion on 300 votes on 1 snowmobiling website and trying to extrapolate that it even remotely portrays a "good" percentage on how bad the Polaris motor is?

That is the biggest reach to try and prove a point I have every seen. I'm not saying that there are no issues with the Poo's motor, but there are people in all the manufacturer sections who like to stir the negative pot by posting inflammatory statements filled with skewed numbers that supports their "opinions".

If you like it, buy it
If you don't, then don't
If you're going to try and prove a point, do your research and post real numbers/facts. Don't embarrass yourself anymore trying to defend your position based on incomplete and made up "facts".

I'm curious as well - are you suggesting there is NOTHING going on? I certainly don't believe this represents a "scientific" poll, but there isn't any reason to believe this isn't a legitimate snapshot of owners experiences. I don't expect the poll would tally up 12% failure rate if the "actual" failure rate was 3%. Mechanically, this is the same basic motor as the CFI-4 800 - are you going to suggest there were no issues with those either? I think there are MANY here who would argue that point with you....

 

[94fordguy]

Something else to consider...

Many times, the reason someone will come online to a site like this is because they ARE having issues with their product.... For every failure you read about online, how many people do you suppose are out there that have no issues that have never been on a forum?

I guess as bad as it sounds to say it, I am rather encouraged by the fact the failure rate seen in this poll is only at 12%... I would think if you polled the 08-10 800 owners, it would likely be MUCH higher... just a hunch.

 

[Oregonsledder]

Something else to consider...

Many times, the reason someone will come online to a site like this is because they ARE having issues with their product.... For every failure you read about online, how many people do you suppose are out there that have no issues that have never been on a forum?

I guess as bad as it sounds to say it, I am rather encouraged by the fact the failure rate seen in this poll is only at 12%... I would think if you polled the 08-10 800 owners, it would likely be MUCH higher... just a hunch.

I agree with your view. It's a proven fact that one unhappy customer will tell on average 10 people about their issue where as a happy customer, on average will only tell 2 people. I would bet that for every person who has come to Snowest and posted or voted with a failure, there are 7 to 8 other PRO owners who have not had a failure and are just riding and not posting and voting. If I look at the PRO owners I know in my area, most are not on this forum and the only PRO issue other than TPS issues have been one broken primary clutch spring.
I base my view on this topic on my own experience and what I have seen first hand with riders I know. With that said, I'm not any more concerned about the PRO engine than any other brand, they all break eventually.

 

[FCR112]

C'mon guys, you're basing this entire thread discussion on 300 votes on 1 snowmobiling website and trying to extrapolate that it even remotely portrays a "good" percentage on how bad the Polaris motor is?

That is the biggest reach to try and prove a point I have every seen. I'm not saying that there are no issues with the Poo's motor, but there are people in all the manufacturer sections who like to stir the negative pot by posting inflammatory statements filled with skewed numbers that supports their "opinions".

If you like it, buy it
If you don't, then don't
If you're going to try and prove a point, do your research and post real numbers/facts. Don't embarrass yourself anymore trying to defend your position based on incomplete and made up "facts".

What is a fact is the MAYBE 30 or 40 people I talk to/ride with throughout the season are not as good of a statistical sampling of what's going on with the motors than the votes of the 475 people who have contributed both here and on the cat poll as of today.

It's very easy to discredit the data here, but until someone shares some more "factual data" from another "better" source it's the best info I can objectively
say I have access too. If you could share the "real numbers/facts" I think we would all greatly appreciate that post!

The attitude if you like it buy it, if you don't, don't... IMO Nonsense. Are you telling us you don't consider which sled has more power, reliabilty, handling, etc. to determine which sled you "Like" the best before spending your $11-12K. I'm not buying that.

Something else to consider...

Many times, the reason someone will come online to a site like this is because they ARE having issues with their product.... For every failure you read about online, how many people do you suppose are out there that have no issues that have never been on a forum?

I guess as bad as it sounds to say it, I am rather encouraged by the fact the failure rate seen in this poll is only at 12%... I would think if you polled the 08-10 800 owners, it would likely be MUCH higher... just a hunch.

True and those factors apply to the cat poll too. I'm not encouraged that the Suzuki 800 shows about a 6% fail rate in comparison to the 12% the Poo shows. IMO these polls have clearly illustrated the Poo engine is about twice as likely to have an issue than the Zuk.

What would be great is if Polaris is somehow inspired to remedy the reliability issue, improve the powerplant for the superior chassis, and leave the competition far behind. In the meantime I like having some data to reference (besides what me and a few dozen others in the local area have experienced) when trying to address those who make inflammatory posts and comments in conversations about how "bad" these motor issues are. These engine polls are helpful to me.

 

[Leaf27]

What is a fact is the MAYBE 30 or 40 people I talk to/ride with throughout the season are not as good of a statistical sampling of what's going on with the motors than the votes of the 475 people who have contributed both here and on the cat poll as of today.

It's very easy to discredit the data here, but until someone shares some more "factual data" from another "better" source it's the best info I can objectively
say I have access too. If you could share the "real numbers/facts" I think we would all greatly appreciate that post!

The attitude if you like it buy it, if you don't, don't... IMO Nonsense. Are you telling us you don't consider which sled has more power, reliabilty, handling, etc. to determine which sled you "Like" the best before spending your $11-12K. I'm not buying that.





True and those factors apply to the cat poll too. I'm not encouraged that the Suzuki 800 shows about a 6% fail rate in comparison to the 12% the Poo shows. IMO these polls have clearly illustrated the Poo engine is about twice as likely to have an issue than the Zuk.

What would be great is if Polaris is somehow inspired to remedy the reliability issue, improve the powerplant for the superior chassis, and leave the competition far behind. In the meantime I like having some data to reference (besides what me and a few dozen others in the local area have experienced) when trying to address those who make inflammatory posts and comments in conversations about how "bad" these motor issues are. These engine polls are helpful to me.

Are you guy's for real? 10% of the sleds have a 12% failure but if 5% of us fart in the gas tank the failure rate goes down to 11%, but if your using a 3% ethonal fuel this number changes to 16%, but 99% of the owners never voted so 3% is more acurate. bla, bla, bla

 

[FCR112]

Are you guy's for real? 10% of the sleds have a 12% failure but if 5% of us fart in the gas tank the failure rate goes down to 11%, but if your using a 3% ethonal fuel this number changes to 16%, but 99% of the owners never voted so 3% is more acurate. bla, bla, bla

WOW now there's a mouthful

I take it numbers aren't your strong suit...

 

[Leaf27]

WOW now there's a mouthful

I take it numbers aren't your strong suit...

Ya I kind of figured you would miss the sarcasm, you're so caught up in the numbers FCR. With you're creative number crunching you should really stop pretending you know what your talking about

 

[Old Scud-doo]

....for every 1 there are 8 or 10 to whatever. Works both ways. How many people that have had problems don't belong to this forum? I guess only people with problems are Snowest members...ha!!

Motor is not as bad as the numbers show if you run extra oil in the tank and turn up the pump. Doesn't really save from broken skirts but does save the piston and rings. We will know more after one more year since the 11's have a much higher failure rate because of mileage. But...it's related to mostly oil or the lack there of.

I guess what I am saying is that I believe the numbers to be a somewhat accurate representation of the motor's reliability when ran with the stock oiling setup. It's a small sample but still a sample. Add oil to tank and turn up the pump and I believe the motor becomes more reliable. That in no way gets Polaris Industries off the hook for it though. They need to come up with a better system of getting fuel in the cylinder or the failures that are happening will continue.

 

[FCR112]

Ya I kind of figured you would miss the sarcasm, you're so caught up in the numbers FCR. With you're creative number crunching you should really stop pretending you know what your talking about

Oh i gots your sarcasm, but please don't pretend you know me or what I know.
Let me esplain this so use can understand...

Cat about 6% polled with engine issues

Poo about 12% polled with engine issues

12/6=2. Still with me?

Therefore the polls show the Poo is 2 times as likely to have an issue.
You can argue the validity of the data all day long however, the math is correct.

 

[Leaf27]

Oh i gots your sarcasm, but please don't pretend you know me or what I know.
Let me esplain this so use can understand... Yes please esplain it to me
Cat about 6% polled with engine issues

Poo about 12% polled with engine issues

12/6=2. Still with me?

Therefore the polls show the Poo is 2 times as likely to have an issue.
You can argue the validity of the data all day long however, the math is correct.

No doubt that the CFI motor has had issues. But maybe this motor is a bit more susceptible to less knowlegable users than its counter part. Just because you can click on a poll on the internet doesnt take the responsiblity out of the users hands, still with me? Like Old Scud touched on, there are steps to take to lesson the risk. So IMHO the numbers are flawd. So go ahead and pretend you have it all figured out FCR.

Oh forgot to mention I voted over on the cat poll that I have 2500 plus miles on my Cat with no problems, but wait a minute I don't own a Cat. One has to wonder who has voted in this poll that they have had a Pro engine go down. Has Snowmobiler the Polaris hater voted?????

 

[Excalibur]

Quote "Oh forgot to mention I voted over on the cat poll that I have 2500 plus miles on my Cat with no problems, but wait a minute I don't own a Cat. One has to wonder who has voted in this poll that they have had a Pro engine go down. Has Snowmobiler the Polaris hater voted?????"

Good question, you can check by clicking on the number of votes in the poll. Each voter in each section is listed. How about this fellow for example type_a_positive he was the last to vote, Engine Failure: crank (bearing/pin/throw). Most of his 311 post seem to run green, even his last post from 5/24/12, Cat1100T http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=312446. He might of just picked up a PRO (gave up on trying to get his boosted cats clutch to start purring) and within a short time his new PRO went BOOM like they all will, just a matter of time...(Sarcasim). It sure is fun having the most talked about mountain sled! Have a good summer everyone and find a summer hobby!

 

[snowmobiler]

LMAO @ brand loyal poo riders.

 

[FCR112]

No doubt that the CFI motor has had issues. But maybe this motor is a bit more susceptible to less knowledgeable users than its counter part. Just because you can click on a poll on the internet doesnt take the responsiblity out of the users hands, still with me? Like Old Scud touched on, there are steps to take to lessen the risk. So IMHO the numbers are flawd. So go ahead and pretend you have it all figured out FCR.

Oh forgot to mention I voted over on the cat poll that I have 2500 plus miles on my Cat with no problems, but wait a minute I don't own a Cat. One has to wonder who has voted in this poll that they have had a Pro engine go down. Has Snowmobiler the Polaris hater voted?????

While it pains me to thank snowmobiler for a post...

Yeah me thinks CFRfred you may have missed the point just as use missed the point of my typing esplain...

Are you all done with the creative number crunching angle now?

Maybe I'm going about it the wrong way. How's this...

CFRfred thanks for exposing your own lack of integrity with the cat poll vote admission...

Additionally, please help us all understand what the crap "this motor is a bit more susceptible to less knowledgeable users than its counter part" means exactly so I can stop "pretending to have it all figured out." No such magic is necessary with the Suzuki 800, not that you would know by your own admission...

Once again I use the word please when I ask that you share the knowledge you have gained through your experience so we all can fix the inferior reliability of the Polaris motor through your personal "steps to take to lesson (lessen) the risk"

Please further define this additional "responsibility" that the user gains by purchasing a Polaris 800 that is somehow above and beyond that of the buyer of the Cat 800 or Doo 800?

 

[snowmobiler]

if the poll is bs,it could be 50% failures?

 

[FCR112]

if the poll is bs,it could be 50% failures?

Clearly! ...unless you understand this motor is a bit more susceptible to less knowlegable users than its counterparts and you know the steps to take to lesson the risk that you accepted like the responsibility of owning a Polaris 800??? wtf-over^

 

[Old Scud-doo]

I don't agree that the motor is "more susceptible to less knowlegable users than its counterparts and you know the steps to take to lesson the risk that you accepted like the responsibility of owning a Polaris 800" I think that is exactly the kind of thinking that got us to where we are at with the CFI2 motor. It's not a aftermarket boosted motor nor is it running an SLP pipe/head combonation. You, or I, should be able to put oil and gas in and ride the pi$$ out of it without a problem. It's 2012 guys!!!

Yes, you can as I stated, do things to help the motor but we shouldn't have to. Or at least there should be a sticker on the sled with a middle finger and "EPA" on it. Under the sticker would be..."Just in case you want to ride this sled longer than 1000 miles, please turn up the oil pump and add 1 ounce of oil to your fuel tank per gallon of fuel. We turned everything down to pass the EPA mandates but the engine will not last at these settings. Good luck everybody and have fun!" Then if you don't do these things it's YOUR fault, right now I believe it's POLARIS INDUSTRIES fault. 2 cents spent.

 

[Leaf27]

While it pains me to thank snowmobiler for a post...This says it all, Snowmobiler has openly addmitted that he is confused.

Yeah me thinks CFRfred you may have missed the point just as use missed the point of my typing esplain...Poor attempt at humor, there was no point you just cant spell. Then after, you edit your post and highlight your mistakes in a futile attempt at humor.

Are you all done with the creative number crunching angle now? Never was number crunching, thats all you.Maybe I'm going about it the wrong way. Yes u are.

CFRfred thanks for exposing your own lack of integrity with the cat poll vote admission... Check the Cat poll, I never voted. Just trying to bring up a valid point that anyone can vote, even if they dont own the sled. But once again you missed the boat FCR.

Additionally, please help us all understand what the crap "this motor is a bit more susceptible to less knowledgeable users than its counter part" means exactly so I can stop "pretending to have it all figured out." No such magic is necessary with the Suzuki 800, not that you would know by your own admission... Your a big boy, figure it out.

Once again I use the word please when I ask that you share the knowledge you have gained through your experience so we all can fix the inferior reliability of the Polaris motor through your personal "steps to take to lesson (lessen) the risk" Your a big boy, figure it out.

Please further define this additional "responsibility" that the user gains by purchasing a Polaris 800 that is somehow above and beyond that of the buyer of the Cat 800 or Doo 800? Your a big boy, figure it out.

If you are unable to understand FCR that the poll numbers are not accurate, I feel sorry for you.

 

[Old Scud-doo]

If you are unable to understand FCR that the poll numbers are not accurate, I feel sorry for you.

Now I am just asking but....why would the cat numbers not be off by roughly the same percentage so in all honesty, a person could make an educated and some what backed up guess that you are twice as likely to have an engine related problem on a Polaris 800 than you are a Cat 800. I would believe both polls would be skewed to a similar extent...unless you are insinuating that more people hate Polaris than any other brand and they go out of there way to make Polaris look bad.

Not that Polaris can't do that on their own accord.