Yes... that's the best idea, ignore the fact that you're losing at least 3x the amount of motors than other builders do... if you pretend hard enough, it'll just go away!
Slightly better than 1:5 failure rates... nothing wrong, it's all good.
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Yes... that's the best idea, ignore the fact that you're losing at least 3x the amount of motors than other builders do... if you pretend hard enough, it'll just go away!
Slightly better than 1:5 failure rates... nothing wrong, it's all good.
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Current fact check on the polls: If you can call these observations "facts"
As of now it is close to 1:8 failure rate with the Polaris motors.
Not good, not defending it, but not 1:5, it was never polled as that bad.
The Cat poll has at least one guy posting within the thread about 2 blown 800 motors who hasn't voted at all? It also doesn't look like a couple guys who had low miles failures on their 12's have voted either which (if counted) would currently make the Polaris only 2X more likely to fail than the Suzuki 800 motor
That is really pathetic enough without exaggerating things unnecessarily BCIL!
Indy Dan has a new release posted up, warrantied! Excellent job in standing behind his product.
Once again:
POLARIS, WAKE UP! Your awesome chassis needs a stronger powerplant!
As of now it is close to 1:8 failure rate with the Polaris motors.
Not good, not defending it, but not 1:5, it was never polled as that bad.
The Cat poll has at least one guy posting within the thread about 2 blown 800 motors who hasn't voted at all? It also doesn't look like a couple guys who had low miles failures on their 12's have voted either which (if counted) would currently make the Polaris only 2X more likely to fail than the Suzuki 800 motor
That is really pathetic enough without exaggerating things unnecessarily BCIL!
Indy Dan has a new release posted up, warrantied! Excellent job in standing behind his product.
Once again:
POLARIS, WAKE UP! Your awesome chassis needs a stronger powerplant!
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It also doesn't look like a couple guys who had low miles failures on their 12's have voted either which (if counted) would currently make the Polaris only 2X more likely to fail than the Suzuki 800 motor
Well... I'm no statistician... but Just what I've seen in the last two years, when I hang out with WAY more cat guys & know of ONE failure, and of the poo guys I hand with I know of WAY more.
Put the same use, the same abuse, the same miles on both sleds, and I can guarantee the results will NOT be simply 2x. Like I said before, I'm buying a 13, period. (I know a few cat guys who are) It's a sick sled, and IMO, it's worth the risk, but it's just denial to think that it's only 2x more likely to fail... you know better...
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Well... I'm no statistician... but Just what I've seen in the last two years, when I hang out with WAY more cat guys & know of ONE failure, and of the poo guys I hand with I know of WAY more.
Put the same use, the same abuse, the same miles on both sleds, and I can guarantee the results will NOT be simply 2x. Like I said before, I'm buying a 13, period. (I know a few cat guys who are) It's a sick sled, and IMO, it's worth the risk, but it's just denial to think that it's only 2x more likely to fail... you know better...
Come on now. I ride with a mix of guys and brands, most ride PRO's, not one failure. Get real buddy.
Your view is reaL for you but not the only reality! This is getting old!
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The observations in my post are made from the results generated from the polls here as of today, no need to make things up regarding those numbers.
If that's your experience I won't argue it with you. You are the most vocal person I know regarding Pro engine fails in CO, and I'm sure you have reasons for that, but you can Guarantee it will be a failure rate of more than 2X? Really?
Let's talk apples to apples for real. What exactly was the failure rate of the people you rode with specifying stock motor 2012 PC's to 2012 PRO's? Non Turbo sleds without fuel controllers/high compression heads..?
Just understand the polls don't support your post and it comes off as exaggeration. Same with your crank issues failure observation regarding this engine.
Comments like there will be more failures as more miles are put on are true of every engine ever produced...
Again I'm not defending the issues that clearly need to be dealt with, just trying to put things into the appropriate perspective.
Polls are not 100% factual, as demonstrated by the multiple fails that I know of not reported on the cat poll and many others I'm sure are not being reported by others here as well.
However, IMO they are a cross section from hundreds of users which I don't think should be completely disregarded by anyone.
No doubt the Suzuki 800 is better with both power and longevity, how much is the debate. In my experience the performance difference was WILDLY exaggerated between the stock sleds on the snow and I suspect that the catastrophic engine failures are as well.
OK now that I posted that I fully expect to get about 3 rides in next year before she blows
And If that does happen I will post it up on here for everyone to see as a matter of fact, not fabrication.
If that's your experience I won't argue it with you. You are the most vocal person I know regarding Pro engine fails in CO, and I'm sure you have reasons for that, but you can Guarantee it will be a failure rate of more than 2X? Really?
Let's talk apples to apples for real. What exactly was the failure rate of the people you rode with specifying stock motor 2012 PC's to 2012 PRO's? Non Turbo sleds without fuel controllers/high compression heads..?
Just understand the polls don't support your post and it comes off as exaggeration. Same with your crank issues failure observation regarding this engine.
Comments like there will be more failures as more miles are put on are true of every engine ever produced...
Again I'm not defending the issues that clearly need to be dealt with, just trying to put things into the appropriate perspective.
Polls are not 100% factual, as demonstrated by the multiple fails that I know of not reported on the cat poll and many others I'm sure are not being reported by others here as well.
However, IMO they are a cross section from hundreds of users which I don't think should be completely disregarded by anyone.
No doubt the Suzuki 800 is better with both power and longevity, how much is the debate. In my experience the performance difference was WILDLY exaggerated between the stock sleds on the snow and I suspect that the catastrophic engine failures are as well.
OK now that I posted that I fully expect to get about 3 rides in next year before she blows
And If that does happen I will post it up on here for everyone to see as a matter of fact, not fabrication.
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I think you know most of the guys I ride with, how many cat guys we ride with compared to pros... I'm vocal about it because I'm annoyed that I can't trust the motor & just buy a dang pro! It's a way better sled, and maybe of the guys I know I'm just seeing some really odd cross section of failures... maybe somehow I'm way off, I just don't understand how that could be considering I know SO many cat people
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Has anyone on this polaris forum every seen snowmobiler ride? I wish he would come ride with me next winter so i can see what a real rider and machine can do!!Snowmobiler you won't have to be worried about me out riding or high marking you cause I will be on my new 2013 800 pro 163!!
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I think I know who he is, and he has a different name on another local snowmobile site. A couple of guys I know rode with this guy this winter (and I think it is the same guy) and from what I heard, I would not worry about a little ride to see if he could keep up with my PRO! Not that I’m a great rider, but, from what I heard.... well.... LOL
snowmobiler is just a fanboy?! Gee imagine that 
So yesterday talked to a friend that works for camoplast said that they are just finishing up riding for the year and the two pro's that he had for this year have over 8000 miles on the orginal motor's!!
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I've got two with over 3000 miles and they're both running better than ever. No major problem on them
Obviously, they're not paying attention to the engine armageddon poll... blasphemists they are!
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Wow, I would hate to ride with you BCIL cause you sound like maybe u r a bit of a rain cloud. We've got over 130 winter camps in our area and I spend a ton of time out in the mountains each year, this one also. The Draggins, 08-09, you bet , bad situation, 10's way better, the Pro way way better. maybe its the different air, but there are probably 25 to 40 Pros and Assaults 11's and 12's and there was 2 motor issues that I know of, and I paid attention. My own, 3100 miles my buddies 2400 miles and a whole bunch of assorted others.
Now you bet they still need improvements and after a couple 1000 kms its probably prudent to stick in pistons and rings, but quite honestly most of us have always sorta thought we should do that on most of the 2 strokes if we really want to ascertain dependability.
So, I ain't seeing it, or buying it, so go ahead and bash away, I see a ton of sleds all year so I call BS, the biggest problem is on the net not the hill. With a few minor mods like a head and a pipe with controller this machine is a hoot, which is evident in the fact that even with all the scarey stories that they ALL blow up EVERY time, the numbers of guys switching to the Pro the last few years and Sno-checking Pro and Assault in 13, kinda shows you that it ain't that bad.
The 3 choices we have now available to us are as good as we've ever had, so pick your poison, they all get pulled home too often.
Me , I think one stands out for fun and ease of handling and unsticking.
Now you bet they still need improvements and after a couple 1000 kms its probably prudent to stick in pistons and rings, but quite honestly most of us have always sorta thought we should do that on most of the 2 strokes if we really want to ascertain dependability.
So, I ain't seeing it, or buying it, so go ahead and bash away, I see a ton of sleds all year so I call BS, the biggest problem is on the net not the hill. With a few minor mods like a head and a pipe with controller this machine is a hoot, which is evident in the fact that even with all the scarey stories that they ALL blow up EVERY time, the numbers of guys switching to the Pro the last few years and Sno-checking Pro and Assault in 13, kinda shows you that it ain't that bad.
The 3 choices we have now available to us are as good as we've ever had, so pick your poison, they all get pulled home too often.
Me , I think one stands out for fun and ease of handling and unsticking.
i will take a gorgeous babe shutting down twice a month over a Bit$h having her day and a quater a month anyday..so the frequency is not relevent when the excitement is tenfold when the riding can happen...
It's almost all related to oil my friends. Run extra oil in the tank and turn up the pump. Those two things alone will get you twice the life or more out of the motor. You can talk long rod, short rod, fat rod, skinny rod....doesn't matter if you are not getting oil. These machines don't use enough oil. Those may all fix an issue that is present but if the motor is washing the pistons and rings clean of oil, you haven't done a thing but spend your hard earned money. I lost the rings and pistons on the intake side of the motor so I am speaking from what I saw and what my dealer was told to look for and what my dealer found. We discussed it in length. ADD oil to your tank.
Did I do the math wrong, or is there currently a 22% failure rate for sleds OVER 1000 miles?
Including the "under 1000" mile vote option is misleading, it could be voted by guys with 100 miles on their sleds, or 0 for that matter. May be wrong on the math, I am tired and not much into figuring out failure rates on other guys sleds, lol.
Failures under 1000 miles are blatant flaws, no arguments, should not happen unless ubuse happens. The more miles you get, the less of a design flaw and more questionable. What I worry about is the 2000, 3000, 4000 mile problems. Those are something that I have never had an issue with, on any brand, and it seems like it is becoming almost "acceptable" with Polaris sleds, even after talking with a Poo dealer that admits 2011 Pro motor issues around the 1800 mile mark.
And before you get to hatin on a brotha: I sold my 12 Cat after 340 miles and snowchecked a 2013 Pro, first Poo I will have owned since my pre-production hand built 99 Gen 2 XC500.
Way I figure it, there is less chance of me tossing a sidehilled sled down a mountain and into a tree when the motor blows up than chances of me doing the same thing when belts blow. (Belts go a heck of a lot more often.)
Warranty motor, sell the sled with a new engine in it while there is warranty left, buy a new one, ride sleds, have fun.
Including the "under 1000" mile vote option is misleading, it could be voted by guys with 100 miles on their sleds, or 0 for that matter. May be wrong on the math, I am tired and not much into figuring out failure rates on other guys sleds, lol.
Failures under 1000 miles are blatant flaws, no arguments, should not happen unless ubuse happens. The more miles you get, the less of a design flaw and more questionable. What I worry about is the 2000, 3000, 4000 mile problems. Those are something that I have never had an issue with, on any brand, and it seems like it is becoming almost "acceptable" with Polaris sleds, even after talking with a Poo dealer that admits 2011 Pro motor issues around the 1800 mile mark.
And before you get to hatin on a brotha: I sold my 12 Cat after 340 miles and snowchecked a 2013 Pro, first Poo I will have owned since my pre-production hand built 99 Gen 2 XC500.
Way I figure it, there is less chance of me tossing a sidehilled sled down a mountain and into a tree when the motor blows up than chances of me doing the same thing when belts blow. (Belts go a heck of a lot more often.)
Warranty motor, sell the sled with a new engine in it while there is warranty left, buy a new one, ride sleds, have fun.
Since ive been running redline oil and putting it into the tank ive had 2,000 trouble free miles,just sayin.
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