Linking Obama directly to high fuel costs?

[winter brew]

28 one way and 15ish. In my case and a lot of other people, ( and the whole transportation industry in general) choices are limited in vehicles that can pull a trailer, carry 3+ people, haul a load to the dump etc.... A truck is the only option for a vehicle and none get over 18mpg that can still do what i need it to do.
For a while i drove a little toyota that i got for free...it got 35mpg. Unfortunatly the insurance, license, maintenance etc...made it more costly to own that it saved me in fuel costs....and if i got in a wreck i was a dead man! LOL
I thought CNG would have been big by now, the techology is there, its not difficult to convert and most have access to fuel in their homes....cheap and abundant and from what i have read it adds power and mileage and is cleaner than gas or diesel. ??? What are they waiting for?
If this hasnt been offered to the public from the mfr's by now, i find it hard to believe that something that is more costly, has less power is not easily adapted or attainable will ever be an option.
Even with the "cheaper" to manufacture gas engine technology the price of vehicles is rediculous....i make good money and cant imagine paying the price of a new truck, so Ii know I cant afford a vehicle with more costly technology.
For this i blame Obama.

 

[winter brew]

Why is all oil on the world market?
Why cant we keep our oil here? And the associated jobs and money.???
Its time for some change.

 

[Mafesto]

Why is all oil on the world market?
Why cant we keep our oil here? And the associated jobs and money.???
Its time for some change.

That's what I'm thinking.
We have 200 years worth of oil beneath us, & enough coal until the dinosaurs come back & this administration wants to abandon using it.
Dumbdittydumbdumbdumb

 

[ruffryder]

28 one way and 15ish. In my case and a lot of other people, ( and the whole transportation industry in general) choices are limited in vehicles that can pull a trailer, carry 3+ people, haul a load to the dump etc.... A truck is the only option for a vehicle and none get over 18mpg that can still do what i need it to do.

Haven't you chosen your vehicle selection based not on its majority of use?

For a while i drove a little toyota that i got for free...it got 35mpg. Unfortunatly the insurance, license, maintenance etc...made it more costly to own that it saved me in fuel costs....and if i got in a wreck i was a dead man! LOL

lol... I would look at redoing that cost analysis... I think it would be closer these days... Or you can buy my KLR650 and get 55 mpg with it... lol

I thought CNG would have been big by now, the techology is there, its not difficult to convert and most have access to fuel in their homes....cheap and abundant and from what i have read it adds power and mileage and is cleaner than gas or diesel. ??? What are they waiting for?
If this hasnt been offered to the public from the mfr's by now, i find it hard to believe that something that is more costly, has less power is not easily adapted or attainable will ever be an option.

I think the issue with CNG was that the price of natural gas has been pretty volatile. In the gasoline shortage of the 70's many vehicles were converted to natural gas.. Then when oil prices tanked, they were converted back. In the 2000's natural gas had a very high price, now it seems like the price of natural gas has tanked as well....

 

[ruffryder]

Why is all oil on the world market?
Why cant we keep our oil here? And the associated jobs and money.???
Its time for some change.

"Our oil"? It isn't ours, it is the companies that pump it out of the ground...
I guess the bigger question would be: "Why would you expect a company to sell their product (US produced oil) to the US at a reduced rate when they could get more by selling it elsewhere in the world?" Out of the kindness of their heart or by government mandate?

That's what I'm thinking.
We have 200 years worth of oil beneath us, & enough coal until the dinosaurs come back & this administration wants to abandon using it.
Dumbdittydumbdumbdumb

No one has said to abandon domestic oil production and coal production.. You are just repeating talking points...

 

[snowmobilesrme]

Its because of members of both R's and D's.

theres an agenda. you know how i know? theres more than one clue, but the easiest clue for you sheeple to see is that there's an abundance of oil in alaska, canada, and right here in the US. theyre not tapping into it. if they are, its very little. and gas prices still are not going down.

its a game. a sick game. dont you ever wonder why the big dog of the gulf oil project sold over half his shares weeks before the "accidental" oil spill?

Ron Paul is our only hope. people are waking up. if we all dont wake up in time its going to be too late.

its all about money and power.

and even that is a more gradeschool outlook on everything.

just like the bible is an elementary fairy tale version of reality.

I do have one question though...

Why the heck is this thread still in the fouled plug section, but every other thread is highly controlled by the forum police??? This thread has been out for quite some time now, surely the mods have seen it plenty of times... yet, a thread that has been here for less than 24 hours is moved immediately when its in the wrong place?

 

[winter brew]

"Our oil"? It isn't ours, it is the companies that pump it out of the ground...
I guess the bigger question would be: "Why would you expect a company to sell their product (US produced oil) to the US at a reduced rate when they could get more by selling it elsewhere in the world?" Out of the kindness of their heart or by government mandate?
No one has said to abandon domestic oil production and coal production.. You are just repeating talking points...

Our=oil from US soil (hey, that rhymes!)....you know what I mean.
Yes. If a business did this, provided good paying jobs and a competitive price at the pump and kept the oil extracted, processed and consumed on US soil I think there would be a lot of people that would respect that and buy their product. They wouldn't have to sell it for less....I would much rather pay the same price knowing that my money is supporting American workers and business.
Believe it or not, there are still a few businesses that make decisions based on more than the dollar. Some even choose to stay on US soil because it's "the right thing to do".

And why has the term "talking points" been a "talking point" used by liberals lately? Most of those "talking points"....whatever that is, are legitimate concerns which liberals have no good answer for so they come up with demeaning phrases like "talking points"...Jon Stewart uses that one a lot.
Obama does want to decrease domestic oil production....of course he SAYS he doesn't, but his actions are all that matter IMO. Keystone, permit delays, moratoriums....all are obstacles for oil companies and add to the cost at the pump.

 

[ruffryder]

Our=oil from US soil (hey, that rhymes!)....you know what I mean.

not really.. our implies ownership and control

Yes. If a business did this, provided good paying jobs and a competitive price at the pump and kept the oil extracted, processed and consumed on US soil I think there would be a lot of people that would respect that and buy their product. They wouldn't have to sell it for less....I would much rather pay the same price knowing that my money is supporting American workers and business.

I guess I don't understand your point, as what you are asking for is occurring now. Our oil is kept here, as long as we pay the same price they could get elsewhere...
It seemed like the argument was that we should drill oil in the US to keep our prices lower than the rest of the world. If that is not the argument, I don't understand what the difference of oil being priced on the world market or not makes...

whatever that is, are legitimate concerns which liberals have no good answer for so they come up with demeaning phrases like "talking points"...Jon Stewart uses that one a lot.

they are normally statements from people making generalizations that do not accurately reflect the situation...

Obama does want to decrease domestic oil production....of course he SAYS he doesn't, but his actions are all that matter IMO. Keystone, permit delays, moratoriums....

What does the Keystone pipeline have to do with domestic oil production? Isn't that Canadian oil it will be transporting?

all are obstacles for oil companies and add to the cost at the pump..

Didn't you just shift the argument from domestic oil production to the cost at the pump?

The fastest and easiest way to increase US domestic oil production would be to have oil prices increase. It makes it more profitable for drilling to occur here..

Anyways, the domestic oil issue is converse to the cheap oil issue. Oil WILL get more expensive in the near future. There is no doubt about it...

 

[Scott]

Its because of members of both R's and D's.

theres an agenda. you know how i know? theres more than one clue, but the easiest clue for you sheeple to see is that there's an abundance of oil in alaska, canada, and right here in the US. theyre not tapping into it. if they are, its very little. and gas prices still are not going down.

its a game. a sick game. dont you ever wonder why the big dog of the gulf oil project sold over half his shares weeks before the "accidental" oil spill?

Ron Paul is our only hope. people are waking up. if we all dont wake up in time its going to be too late.

its all about money and power.

and even that is a more gradeschool outlook on everything.

just like the bible is an elementary fairy tale version of reality.

I do have one question though...

Why the heck is this thread still in the fouled plug section, but every other thread is highly controlled by the forum police??? This thread has been out for quite some time now, surely the mods have seen it plenty of times... yet, a thread that has been here for less than 24 hours is moved immediately when its in the wrong place?

We didn't need to move it yet....now we do.

We only move YOUR ding dong posts right away. The rest...well often times they can go in a positive direction before they go south.
We had a running bet.....I see you have made such a post....
You lost.

 

[snowmed221]

This quote is pure genius.... and very profound! Did you learn this in the Alaska public schools???

these crapitalist oil companies need to get smoked

 

[winter brew]

not really.. our implies ownership and control
I guess I don't understand your point, as what you are asking for is occurring now. Our oil is kept here, as long as we pay the same price they could get elsewhere...
It seemed like the argument was that we should drill oil in the US to keep our prices lower than the rest of the world. If that is not the argument, I don't understand what the difference of oil being priced on the world market or not makes...
they are normally statements from people making generalizations that do not accurately reflect the situation...
What does the Keystone pipeline have to do with domestic oil production? Isn't that Canadian oil it will be transporting?

Didn't you just shift the argument from domestic oil production to the cost at the pump?

The fastest and easiest way to increase US domestic oil production would be to have oil prices increase. It makes it more profitable for drilling to occur here..

Anyways, the domestic oil issue is converse to the cheap oil issue. Oil WILL get more expensive in the near future. There is no doubt about it...

I was just reading about contrarian personality disorder.

 

[ruffryder]

I was just reading about contrarian personality disorder.

Is that a talking point? ha ha

 

[DOO DAWG]

The article was written the days after his speech. Obviously it didnt have the results of the policy change.....doesnt happen overnight LOL.
Prices went from what is still the record high of near 5 a gallon to the now famous $1.84/ gallon when obama took over. So yes, he did something.
Obama could do more than he is...with epa regs, delay of permits etc...just get govt out of the way where possible.

Unfortunately,THIS is how obama's epa is run. And yes I know they ask for $$$$ to do it

Conservative American,

Do you know where your taxpayer dollars are going?

NO, you do not!

If you did, you would be absolutely appalled!!

Over the past decade, your taxpayer dollars have been spent by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to test air quality in India, study swine manure on pig farms in Thailand and reduce pollution in China. Yes, YOU paid for this!

Is it possible that because of this outrageous spending this explains why our nation has an almost $17 TRILLION DEBT and recently joined Greece and five other industrialized countries whose debt EXCEEDS its total economic output.

These projects funded by Obama's EPA were exposed in a report by the U.S. House Energy and Commerce Committee. According to the report, nearly $100 million of taxpayer money was spent by the EPA in OTHER countries to advance environmental projects, including over $1,000,000 given to the United Nations to promote clean fuels!

Are you mad yet?

Shouldn't these countries be doing this for themselves?

The Obama administration's reckless and irresponsible spending must STOP! And stop right now!

However, there is a new piece of legislation in Congress that will TOTALLY ELIMINATE this reckless spending for OTHER countries. It is H.R. 4255---

The Accountability in Grants Act of 2012!​

Will you help fax every Congressman to not only support this act to curb our reckless spending, but to Co-Sponsor HR 4255, and its Senate equivalent?

You can help to make sure that this type of overseas spending NEVER happens again! Please fax today!

Please CLICK HERE to FAX every Member of the United States Congress to urge them to support and Co-Sponsor H.R. 4255 (and its Senate equivalent) to insure that your taxpayer dollars are NOT spent on EPA projects in foreign countries!

The Accountability in Grants Act would PROHIBIT the EPA from spending taxpayer money on projects outside the United States of America!

At a time when millions of American families are struggling to put food on the table, it is outrageous that their hard-earned money should be spent on, for instance, the "Breathe Easy Jakarta" program which received $450,000 from the EPA to study air quality improvement and public health in Indonesia. WOW!

Will you please help to continue this unbelievable fight against an EPA BROKEN SYSTEM until Congress can restore fiscal responsibility?

HR 4255 was introduced on March 22. It now has over 24 Co-Sponsors. But each and every Congressman should Co-Sponsor this worthy piece of legislation. This bill is what most would call a "No-brainer." Why in the world would we, as taxpayers, pay for Environmental concerns for OTHER countries? Many Americans don't even want to pay for environmental concerns in OUR country!

Precisely, here is the overview wording of this all-important bill that MUST be passed:

"To prohibit the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency from awarding any grant, contract, cooperative agreement, or other financial assistance under section 103 of the Clean Air Act for any program, project, or activity to occur outside the United States and its territories and possessions."

It was originally sponsored by U.S. Rep. Edward Whitfield (R-KY). It was immediately referred to various committees.

It does not take a "rocket scientist" for one to understand that this reckless spending is continuing to put a ball and chain around the American people. Why should other countries benefit, environmentally, at the expense of the American taxpayer?

Please, your faxes will tell Congress where most Americans truly stand on this issue!

Please CLICK HERE to FAX every Member of the United States Congress to urge them to support and Co-Sponsor H.R. 4255 (and its Senate equivalent) to insure that your taxpayer dollars are NOT spent on EPA projects in foreign countries!

We are all for a cleaner environment, but when so many Americans are out of work, how can our government afford to spend millions on reducing the pollution in China.

Quite frankly, this is one of Barack Obama's "pet projects." By giving money to EPA projects overseas, Mr. Obama is placating the "Green agenda" of environmental voters.

Once again, it is all about the November elections! ​

No matter what you as a taxpayer will pay---it all has to do with Mr. Obama's control and power---and re-election efforts.



Don't be mis-guided by this scam!

It's one thing to provide food to starving children overseas......but to clean up the smog in Shanghai---that's preposterous!

Far too long, has the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) been out of control. And now they have a permanent friend in Barack Obama, their "legislative agenda" suddenly goes on a "fast-track."

Regardless of the unworthiness of various administration projects---YOU are the one who pays the bill for this outrageous spending.

It must stop somewhere...someplace. And quickly.

That is why your fax to Members of the United States Congress is so vitally important today.

THAT'S WHY IT IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY THAT YOU FAX TODAY!​

EPA has absolutely NO BUSINESS in spending your good, hard-earned, tax dollars in foreign countries! Period. End of story. Why can't the liberals see the logic of this? It baffles those who are clear, level-headed, American patriots who are trying to bring the debt of the United States down, down, down! And avoid taxes going up up up!

Thank you, in advance, for your understanding of this important issue. Fax today!

 

[ruffryder]

Do you know where the pollution from Indian and China goes?

 

[winter brew]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/17/obama-to-pitch-52m-plan-to-regulate-oil-markets/

 

[DOO DAWG]

Do you know where the pollution from Indian and China goes?

They don't care or do anything about it so WHY should the American Taxpayer foot another international bill?
Are you sending them money?





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The liberals always (and still) blamed Bush for everything wrong with the world....remember they blamed Bush for high fuel prices when they spiked in the summer of '08? Because he was an "oil insider" and was just there to make $$ for his oil buddies? And how we invaded the middle east for "oil".
It goes both ways...
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Nobody said it didn't go both ways... there are as many retards that are conservatives as their are liberals.


It's just that the liberals like to go march on Commie parade day,disrupt, damage and really show their ignorance. Were you there?

 

[ruffryder]

They don't care or do anything about it so WHY should the American Taxpayer foot another international bill?
Are you sending them money?

We all are with our taxes.

As to the comment about not caring or doing anything, they are doing a lot about it. They produce half of the solar panels in the world. Remember the Solyndra incident? It was mostly due to China dumping very cheap solar panels into the world market. Solar prices have been reduced by 70% since 2009.

China also has extensive use of solar hot water heaters.

China is becoming the biggest producer and user of green energy in the world. Don't sit there and say they aren't doing anything. They are doing more than the US, and will be benefiting by large amounts in the next 20 years because of it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/20/china-solar-subsidy-american-manufacturing_n_1160657.html

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=chinas-big-push-for-renewable-energy

Nobody said it didn't go both ways... there are as many retards that are conservatives as their are liberals.

agreed

 

[DOO DAWG]

Originally Posted by DOO DAWG
Nobody said it didn't go both ways... there are as many retards that are conservatives as their are liberals.
agreed


NOT!!! read the second part ( that was a statement you made much earlier in this thread)



It's just that the liberals like to go march on Commie parade day,disrupt,
damage and really show their ignorance. Were you there?

SF....Not Seattle....
http://www.conservativeactionalerts...sters-trash-mission-district-businesses-cars/

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How astute of you!!

We all are with our taxes.

I want NONE of mine going there. Enough American greenbacks are china bound daily without the EPA sending our Tax money

"As to the comment about not caring or doing anything, they are doing a lot about it. They produce half of the solar panels in the world. Remember the Solyndra incident? It was mostly due to China dumping very cheap solar panels into the world market. Solar prices have been reduced by 70% since 2009."


It might have to be a group award for all the wind power wind bags, for lo—it turns out that wind power may cause global warming! So says a new study out in Britain, reported in The Telegraph (“Wind farms can cause climate change finds new stud


http://www.conservativeactionalerts.com/2012/05/green-loser-of-the-week/


Are you for building the coal exporting (to China) facility in Ferndale?

 

[ruffryder]

It might have to be a group award for all the wind power wind bags, for lo—it turns out that wind power may cause global warming! So says a new study out in Britain, reported in The Telegraph (“Wind farms can cause climate change finds new stud

So the study found that the LOCAL temp increased a little bit. So what? You build a subdivision from a field and the LOCAL temp will increase as well. It is funny how it seems this study is trying to be used to dispute the validity of wind farms...

http://www.conservativeactionalerts.com/2012/05/green-loser-of-the-week/

It's just that the liberals like to go march on Commie parade day,disrupt,
damage and really show their ignorance. Were you there?

SF....Not Seattle....
http://www.conservativeactionalerts....sinesses-cars/

from the article

UPDATE: Alright, so it appears this version of the story is wrong–that it wasn’t an Earth Day gathering, but just some regular San Franciscan slobs. Wait–I thought everyone there was supposed to be so much more consciousness-raised than schlubs in the red states? The point that Tea Party rallies still wump tush on San Francisco park-goers still stands.

So the basis of his argument turned out to be false, but he is able to keep his same conclusion from the false argument. Is this supposed to be journalism? I guess it is not, it is another one of those blog posts trying to get passed on as journalism.

Are you for building the coal exporting (to China) facility in Ferndale?

Haven't heard about it before. I don't think it matters much in the big scheme of things. If they don't get coal here, they will get it elsewhere. Fungible.. So it doesn't matter where it comes from.

I am a fan of a carbon tax though. That cap and trade BS is bunk and just makes more traders rich...

 

[ruffryder]

Just to clarify, my standpoint on this subject is that I don't care where our energy comes from, as long as it is from the US.

I want no oil imports, and I am willing to pay for it.

Is anyone else?