I didn't see any point he was trying to make or counteracts.... nor see any riddle. I only saw reference to two numbers (gas price at beginning of the presidents term and prices now) and seems to blame it all on the president...
Linking Obama directly to high fuel costs?
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When a business is failing the guy at the top will ALWAYS have to take the blame, it comes with the job. Same with the president. Bush got and still gets the blame for many things that were done by the democrat congress....even things that Barry voted for and now criticises.
It really doesnt matter if Barry had a direct hand in rising fuel costs...he is the MAN. He has to take responsibilty and if it stalls the economic recovery and he sits on his hands doing nothing, or as he appears to be doing now....preventing further exploration, pipelines and drilling for future generations, then how is it not his fault?
It really doesnt matter if Barry had a direct hand in rising fuel costs...he is the MAN. He has to take responsibilty and if it stalls the economic recovery and he sits on his hands doing nothing, or as he appears to be doing now....preventing further exploration, pipelines and drilling for future generations, then how is it not his fault?
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I don't know. What does cold have to do with anything? Do you agree that oil production in North Dakota has increased in the last couple of years even with Obama as president?
Not me, says the links that I posted before. The only time there seems to be a refinery constraint issue is when a hurricane hits the gulf coast. The profit margin of refineries seems to be pretty low as well.
Where? I guess the statement should be cost effective good hydro spots left. Pretty much every major river has been damned up and has a hydro plant on it. So again, list me some specific sites, otherwise, it is just "Says you" with nothing to back it up.
The ones around here were taken out because they were small and old and there is a greater benefit to people by having the river run (especially for salmon populations) than to have the small amount of power that these generate.
In a while.. but it still is one now isn't it...
So because it won't work on a very small scale wind only system it won't work on the large scale either? There are plenty of people that have wind, solar, and battery systems that do just fine.. The answer is never just one technology only, but a mix of technologies. The grid can handle about a 20% penetration of wind (on an energy bases) without adding too much cost to the system nor impacting the system.
There are also many systems that use a lot of renewables, look at Hawaii. Lots of wind and solar their, and they are planning on putting in a lot more too.
Renewables are a new technology. Once people have more experience with them, it will only get better.
Heard recently that solar power is getting to be cheaper than natural gas for electricity production.. sure will be a nice addition.
Why haven't they stopped the oil production in the Dakota's?
If that is the case, since oil imports have decreased and domestic production has increased, why doesn't Obama get the credit?
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=mttimus1&f=a
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=mcrfpus2&f=a
I am just glad people vote based on reasoning like this... ha ha
WinterBrew pretty much nailed it.
Speculators, primarily, are the force behind domestic fuel prices.
Where the president factors in is in his domestic energy policy. Obama killed the Keystone pipeline, after much ballyhoo about "shovel-ready" projects as part of the stimulus. Keystone by itself wouldn't have any major affect on prices but killing it signifies that the president is hostile to petroleum/fossil fuels and so the speculators hedge on oil futures and near term prices go up.
There's plenty of reasons not to re-elect the Communist in Chief but most people don't pay attention beyond their wallets. A little histrionics over gas prices is a good way toget their attention.
Along those lines I predict a drop in gas prices for this summer and early fall. Probably a 200 or 300 million barrels released from the Strategic Reserves to boost supply and drop prices.
Speculators, primarily, are the force behind domestic fuel prices.
Where the president factors in is in his domestic energy policy. Obama killed the Keystone pipeline, after much ballyhoo about "shovel-ready" projects as part of the stimulus. Keystone by itself wouldn't have any major affect on prices but killing it signifies that the president is hostile to petroleum/fossil fuels and so the speculators hedge on oil futures and near term prices go up.
There's plenty of reasons not to re-elect the Communist in Chief but most people don't pay attention beyond their wallets. A little histrionics over gas prices is a good way toget their attention.
Along those lines I predict a drop in gas prices for this summer and early fall. Probably a 200 or 300 million barrels released from the Strategic Reserves to boost supply and drop prices.
The liberals always (and still) blamed Bush for everything wrong with the world....remember they blamed Bush for high fuel prices when they spiked in the summer of '08? Because he was an "oil insider" and was just there to make $$ for his oil buddies? And how we invaded the middle east for "oil".
It goes both ways....and yes, even YOU vote based on your opinion of a candidate, do you not?
Nobody said it didn't go both ways... there are as many retards that are conservatives as their are liberals. On both sides people want to vote their morality, but many times they vote their ignorance..
yep, some opinion.. but mostly based on what I thought they were going to do... Same reason why I am going to vote for Ron Paul..
Oh, now you're just showing off. 
No, there's not.
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Comparing liberals to "retards" is not being very nice...........................
to the "retards"
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you are right, the conservative ones have the liberals outnumbered..
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First off, I make my living off of hauling fuel. And my view is still as follows
Stephen Chu is absolutely right.
WE need to lower our fossil fuel consumption. And part of that is us not being able to afford it.
You people who chose to live out in the middle of know where made that choice, and you want to complain about gas prices.... You shouldn't have moved so far out, or you need to buy a more efficient car for commuting.
If the world doesn't take action to lower our fossil fuel usage, we will see the price of more than just our gasoline go up. Think about how much we rely on fossil fuels even without our personal vehicles. Our entire life is based upon an un renewable resource!
We as humans needs to suck it up and cut back on gasoline as a way to conserve life as we know it.
On the topic of plants shutting down due to basically being crippled.... I would like to see how many plants shut down and how many new ones were brought online. I have yet to see a new plant, they're all dinosaurs. However, there's still to much money to be made right now with record profits showing up in this industry for a plant to shut down and production be lost. It's being transferred somewhere, somehow.
And to those saying we should drill here... That is completely ridiculous...
What's going to happen when places like Iraq sell off all of their oil? Or ALL other countries for that matter?? We must keep our land as virgin as possible for our own future as bad as that sounds. I would rather buy from another country until it's no longer justifiable instead of using up our own un renewable resources.... Means we get to play longer.
Truth be told this problem started way before Bush, Clinton, or Obama. Difference was we weren't feeling it in our pocketbooks while we were carelessly spending our lives becoming addicted to such a precious resource.
Complete disregard for our planet and future is the problem here. This problem is no different than our economic crisis, it's going to take some work to get out of it because we so blindly fell into it.
We let foreigners have us by the balls in a serious way. All due to stupidity, selfishness and greed.
Stephen Chu is absolutely right.
WE need to lower our fossil fuel consumption. And part of that is us not being able to afford it.
You people who chose to live out in the middle of know where made that choice, and you want to complain about gas prices.... You shouldn't have moved so far out, or you need to buy a more efficient car for commuting.
If the world doesn't take action to lower our fossil fuel usage, we will see the price of more than just our gasoline go up. Think about how much we rely on fossil fuels even without our personal vehicles. Our entire life is based upon an un renewable resource!
We as humans needs to suck it up and cut back on gasoline as a way to conserve life as we know it.
On the topic of plants shutting down due to basically being crippled.... I would like to see how many plants shut down and how many new ones were brought online. I have yet to see a new plant, they're all dinosaurs. However, there's still to much money to be made right now with record profits showing up in this industry for a plant to shut down and production be lost. It's being transferred somewhere, somehow.
And to those saying we should drill here... That is completely ridiculous...
What's going to happen when places like Iraq sell off all of their oil? Or ALL other countries for that matter?? We must keep our land as virgin as possible for our own future as bad as that sounds. I would rather buy from another country until it's no longer justifiable instead of using up our own un renewable resources.... Means we get to play longer.
Truth be told this problem started way before Bush, Clinton, or Obama. Difference was we weren't feeling it in our pocketbooks while we were carelessly spending our lives becoming addicted to such a precious resource.
Complete disregard for our planet and future is the problem here. This problem is no different than our economic crisis, it's going to take some work to get out of it because we so blindly fell into it.
We let foreigners have us by the balls in a serious way. All due to stupidity, selfishness and greed.
This makes a preety good case for blaming the fuel price on not just Obama, but the overspending of our Govt in general....both the D's and the R's.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/03/rise_in_oil_prices_a_result_of_the_decline_of_the_dollar.html
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/03/rise_in_oil_prices_a_result_of_the_decline_of_the_dollar.html
Barry let these guys off the hook: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Goldman_Sachs. They are part of the BIG SIX on Wall St. that now control upward of 65% of our GNP. Goldman Sachs uses around 5% of thier own cash to speculate the crude market and our govt is letting this happen. Bad news folks!
For me, it is not about Obama being in the White House as these prices are going through the roof, it is his attitude about it and lack of trying to solve the problem.
His "It is what it is" attitude gets me a bit upset.......
Lets at least try and produce more of our own oil, get that darned pipeline construction under way, open up more oil leases,,,,,,,,,,,, DO SOMETHING!
He is cow-taoing to the enviros who love to see gas prices high so we can all wear out our sneakers......
Lets add more supply from OUR country, what can it hurt? We get more gas/oil jobs out of it at least.......
His "It is what it is" attitude gets me a bit upset.......
Lets at least try and produce more of our own oil, get that darned pipeline construction under way, open up more oil leases,,,,,,,,,,,, DO SOMETHING!
He is cow-taoing to the enviros who love to see gas prices high so we can all wear out our sneakers......
Lets add more supply from OUR country, what can it hurt? We get more gas/oil jobs out of it at least.......
Here's what Bush did when in this same situation 4 years ago....and it DID bring down prices quickly. Even though the President cannot effect oil prices 
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/14/washington/14drillcnd.html?_r=1
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/14/washington/14drillcnd.html?_r=1