How much more expensive has it really become? In 2004, ten years ago, a then new 800 RMK was a $9500 machine. Today, ten years later, a new 2014 800 RMK can easily be had for $11,500, and MUCH less if you are willing to shop or buy one with a few miles. Considering the advancements, and inflation, sleds are probably better and cheaper than they used to be. My recollection of those RMKs was that they all eventually lose a crank bearing. Granted, not until 3000 miles but they all blow. Not much has really changed, near as I can tell. For a $400 piston set I bet mine will easily run the same 3000 miles.
Just looked at an ad for a 2012 Pro for sale with only 600 miles and a new motor
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There is nothing wrong with wanting more durability out of a new sled, sounds good to me. 12,0000 in the USA, British Columbia it's 15,000.00 tax in plus if you finance you got interest. What is wrong with wanting 5000+ problem free miles out of a 15,000 machine? Why are u guys butt hurt over that? You guys Poo's mascots or something?
There is NOTHING wrong with wanting that. The problem the manufacturers have, because reliability concerns are not limited to Polaris, is that we want more power, less wieght, and then the gubmint says they have to be rediculously clean. That is a mighty tall order at this price point.
What bothered me was this notion that they "don't make em like they used too". My only response to that should have been THANK GOD!
You can now buy 2014 Pro RMK 800's for $9999.00 out west. I am sure you can get even a better price for a 600. They are giving them away due to the record low snow levels on the west coast.
http://portland.craigslist.org/grg/snd/4269017828.html
http://portland.craigslist.org/grg/snd/4269017828.html
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well I don't understand somethings...
I have seen 9000 miles on older xcr 600s , so if leading edge technology is the reason for the higher prices then that suggests to some degree the leading edge is improving on the old..??
So why is NEW improvements on the old technology often getting less available usage
on the new iron ??
And if the argument is that there is costs and failures that we the consumer must pay for
the steps in technology !!
And all I think Bigman was saying was he wasn;t going to pay it when the proving grounds were established years ago at much better prices and that the manufactures have been incapable of any advances .By me saying this is that it is my view that it has been the AFTERMARKET that has move us forward and forced manufactures to occasionally take their heads out of their butts.
We have every reason to be very very upset at what the manufactures have supplied us for our "addictions" while they pick the ingenuity and hours of free research of the fella's
in the aftermarket and then have the corporate ignorance to think that they incurred the costs.
I see where Bigman was coming from and he didn't get any room to breath on his thoughts...
jmo
I have seen 9000 miles on older xcr 600s , so if leading edge technology is the reason for the higher prices then that suggests to some degree the leading edge is improving on the old..??
So why is NEW improvements on the old technology often getting less available usage
on the new iron ??
And if the argument is that there is costs and failures that we the consumer must pay for
the steps in technology !!
And all I think Bigman was saying was he wasn;t going to pay it when the proving grounds were established years ago at much better prices and that the manufactures have been incapable of any advances .By me saying this is that it is my view that it has been the AFTERMARKET that has move us forward and forced manufactures to occasionally take their heads out of their butts.
We have every reason to be very very upset at what the manufactures have supplied us for our "addictions" while they pick the ingenuity and hours of free research of the fella's
in the aftermarket and then have the corporate ignorance to think that they incurred the costs.
I see where Bigman was coming from and he didn't get any room to breath on his thoughts...
jmo
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Another 50 or so posts and BigMan is about to realize he's got to pay to read his own thread about sledding too lol
You don't pay silly... you just start a new thread. Pay for an internet forum? Uhhh NOT!
The prices are NOT higher when you adjust for inflation. In fact I bet they are actually lower but I am not going to bother to do the math.
Engines fail more often because the EPA has dictated fuel and oil settings. Those old sleds used a ton more gas and oil, heck my M7 uses twice the fuel and oil of my Pro. THIS is where the reliability went away.
Bigman was just whining. We would all like to buy our toys cheaper but if you want to play, you have to pay.
Turn up your oil pump. Looks like your just chasing your tail. One post your saying they are more reliable and then the next you say it's the EPA fault. So which is it?
Then you have a 24 year old saying how unreliable new sleds were in the 90's.
I clarified what I meant already: USED sleds you frickin' idiot. This thread is about a USED sled possibly requiring more maintenance and his apparent inability to make an offer on something he wants to buy because he has bases all of his argument about price on MSRP. Apparently I just got my answer to when I asked if you READ as well as COMPREHEND because what I have tried to convey to you through text (which allows you to view the topic at hand over and over) has not yet sunken in. And yes, I'm going to speak to you like this because. I'm sure you're not offended based on the content of your responses, as it seems most of what I've said doesn't really register with you
totally wrong assumption in my opinion..
ALL motorized equipment with gas or diesel engines have had to meet epa new standards and most if not all have exceeded older engine life sixfold and as well much increased reliability...except for the most part the snowmobile industry...
So tell me...why do all the others have the brains to work with EPA living with less oil and gas with increased engine life/milage and reliability but the sled industry seems to be one of the few that cannot..??
The EPA is a barrier im certain...but not an excuse..
hmmm...I thought the intended thought process was that .......why is a sled that cost 12 grand NEW and next to being a NEW sled with only six hundred miles on it having to have had a new replacement engine already..
so in my mind with the original post is that you inference it to indicate...
IS THE NEW SLED PURCHASE PRICE REALLY WORTH IT..
which he seems to feel it is not...and you can feel it is...and it really doesn't matter what I feel..
but you need some anger management..
I just read my last couple posts again, and I'm really quite surprised now. Now I know for sure you don't process the words you read in a rational manner, I'm pretty sure you don't even read half of them.
Doesn't matter how strong of a point anyone will have here. You made your mind up at the beginning of this thread who's side you were gonna be on before you read the second post. If you refuse to see any side but the whiny side of this argument I guess you just lumped yourself into that category. Whiny. If snowmobiling really bothers you that much and causes you to get angry about the costs it incurs and get angry at & disagree with people that are here trying to be positive about it and say, "hey, new sleds sure are a lot easier to deal with and are a lot more fun than they used to be" (in a nutshell) why do you snowmobile and why are you here?
When people are on the losing side of an argument they like to throw out the "I'm allowed to have an opinion" cliche a lot. As a matter of fact you're allowed to say pretty much whatever you want as far as I'm concerned. A lot of us have a hard time looking bad in situations like this though, and you keep your skewed ideals alive with your short, vague and purpose lacking responses. Maybe you do see what I've been talking about but you just don't want to admit it.
I don't know what else to tell ya. There are more Pro RMKs out there that work and work well than there are those that don't. You know how I know? They still make them, sell them and Polaris is doing well. There is clear proof you can buy a brand new one for $10k, maybe less. Idk what else you need. All of these arguments have been based on numbers. If the numbers were as bad as you and Bigman are making them out to be, we wouldn't be here talking about snowmobiling because no one could afford it. So what's your problem? Yes I'm a Polaris supporter. I'm an arctic cat, ski doo, Yamaha, Klim, HMK, 509, Speedwerx, SLP, Blown Motor, First Place Parts, wherever-I-do-business supporter because I love snowmobiling and like the products and services those places provide. It's a choice. Remember that.
I love snowmobiling, you guys sound more and more like you don't the more you whine.
Which I clarified as well when I said I have not paid over $12k for a new machine. And the context in which you read that post in your head gave you the right to judge me and say I need anger management? I wonder what people that read your posts assume about you..................?
I read this again. The majority of it sounds kinda whiny. That sucks. Nobody likes that. Old sleds, same old problems, no surprises. The end of that post though, makes you sound like a quitter. Poor attitude, poor outlook on the future. You act like you're the first one to spend several thousand dollars and hours in a pickup only to be disappointed by a machine that will eventually fail no matter what. Machines fail for no good reason, or for reasons that make perfect sense. That's something that too many people can't grasp or won't accept, and that's too bad. Those people are doomed to lives of disappointment.
If it's really too expensive, I mean really, maybe it is time to quit?
I think that most people that spend time in your physical presence wished you had one of those red buttons in the center of your forehead and it was an on/off button...
I think that most people that spend time in your physical presence wished you had one of those red buttons in the center of your forehead and it was an on/off button...
I bet CRFred, er whatever, won't say anything about you takin a personal shot. But we've already established he's one-sided.
I'm actually a pretty mellow guy. I've got a lot of friends I guess, never really have any problems with anybody. I let my friends know when they say something dumb though. If you can't do that with your friends without trouble or a fight, they probably aren't really your friends. Don't mean to toot my own horn but
But now we're way off topic.......which was essentially about what, lack of cash or lack of confidence in a product? Either way, it's an individual's problem, not an industry's. Spin it however you want it. That's really what it boils down to.
kudo's...good post...alot of the two sides have been put forward...
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