If you wear an "ABS Bag" or "Similar" aren't you part of the problem ?

[Original Tetonice]

Hmm I donnu, lets see if my and my buddy are both buried with beacons and shovels can we save each other? If me and my buddy have beacons & abs packs, and one of is lucky enough to stay on top due to the abs bag and then able to dig out the other....by GOLLY.. I think I just figured something out OLE bean.. By putting my self in a position to less likely be buried I'm putting myself in a position to more likely be able to help my buddies. Who would have thought of that.. Wait wait.. I know your going to say if you didn't cause the slide in the first place blah blah... ...yes yes we all know but we are talking hypotheticals here.

Dude do you honestly think that if one of you survives and avy with your avy bag while your other buddies avy bag failed causing him to buried that your going to be in condition to turn your beacon on "search" let alone use your shovel.

If you own an avy pack you must be a test dummy waiting to happen.

 

[Original Tetonice]

Based on the photos shown those test dummy's sure like to play in avalanche prone slopes. As the topic states " If you wear an ABS or Similar aren't you part of the problem "...It looks like the test dummy passed the test.

Caution, Caution....If you run across a rider wearing an avy pack in the backcountry they could be a "Test Dummy" who may be prone to mis-judge and make a bad call from time to time while playing in the backcountry. LMAO

OT

 

[WARY]

Actually we had a tough time that day getting decent sized slides, so we wouldn't call those slopes avalanche prone at all. Most of the slides we produced that day were small ones, and we only got the nice class 2 slide by using multiple 40 pound ANFO bombs....

 

[Original Tetonice]

My buddy just sent me an email. He's willing to pay $100.00 to some test dummy that will strap on an avy bag and jump into Glory Bowl after a big dump. LOL

heck if the avy bag can survive a 1 mile run as stated whats 2000 feet.

OT

 

[brahm]

Dude do you honestly think that if one of you survives and avy with your avy bag while your other buddies avy bag failed causing him to buried that your going to be in condition to turn your beacon on "search" let alone use your shovel.

If you own an avy pack you must be a test dummy waiting to happen.

Your looking at it from the wrong angle, if both me and my friend are buried there is this a slim to none chance of us being able to assist each other. While if we have packs, and deploy them there is a greater chance of one of us not getting buried and thus being able to assist the other. That is the point of the pack, while I may not be in top notch shape after riding an avy, if I'm not buried, I'll have a much greater chance of being able to at bare min Call/radio for help, or in best case scenario Locate my friend, Attempt to dig them out, Flag down others, ect ect ect. Note the usage of the qualifying word "chance". Nothing is 100%.

Your basic logic is totally flawed, pretty much what your saying is Don't wear life jackets, even though they claim to be able to prevent you from drowning they will cause you to float to surface which puts you in greater risk of getting hit by a boat.

So with that said, I know what your next point is going to be.. well what if both your avy packs fail do you really thing blah blah blah (insert personal attack here): Well in .04% chance of BOTH packs failing at the same time.. I would be in the same predicament that I would be in if I had not had a pack...and at the point the money I would have saved from not buying one..wouldn't do much me much good.

*.04% chance of failure rate is based off the 2% failure rate of one pack thus the chance of 2 packs failing at the same time is .04%

 

[Original Tetonice]

Actually we had a tough time that day getting decent sized slides, so we wouldn't call those slopes avalanche prone at all. Most of the slides we produced that day were small ones, and we only got the nice class 2 slide by using multiple 40 pound ANFO bombs....

Dude,early this morning you posted pictures see,see,see the avybag workie see, see, see ir workie......6 hours later you post say's "Actually we had a tough time that dat getting decent slides"....Perhaps if you strapped your self in and gave the test dummy a break, you might have a change of opinion.

OT

 

[Original Tetonice]

Your looking at it from the wrong angle, if both me and my friend are buried there is this a slim to none chance of us being able to assist each other. While if we have packs, and deploy them there is a greater chance of one of us not getting buried and thus being able to assist the other. That is the point of the pack, while I may not be in top notch shape after riding an avy, if I'm not buried, I'll have a much greater chance of being able to at bare min Call/radio for help, or in best case scenario Locate my friend, Attempt to dig them out, Flag down others, ect ect ect. Note the usage of the qualifying word "chance". Nothing is 100%.

Your basic logic is totally flawed, pretty much what your saying is Don't wear life jackets, even though they claim to be able to prevent you from drowning they will cause you to float to surface which puts you in greater risk of getting hit by a boat.

So with that said, I know what your next point is going to be.. well what if both your avy packs fail do you really thing blah blah blah (insert personal attack here): Well in .04% chance of BOTH packs failing at the same time.. I would be in the same predicament that I would be in if I had not had a pack...and at the point the money I would have saved from not buying one..wouldn't do much me much good.

*.04% chance of failure rate is based off the 2% failure rate of one pack thus the chance of 2 packs failing at the same time is .04%

Dude a life jacket is proven to keep human afloat for days in the water... an avybag still uses test dummy's. LMAO the avy bag imo does not get life jacket status.

 

[brahm]

Dude a life jacket is proven to keep human afloat for days in the water... an avybag still uses test dummy's. LMAO the avy bag imo does not get life jacket status.

So what you are now saying, is no person has ever survived an avy due to the use of a ABS pack. That no people actually wear ABS packs, they aren't even on the market, it's all just experimental research at this point w/test dummies.

Your logic is astonishing.

They still use crash test dummies in testing car safety, thanks to those measures I walked away from a head on in nov with minor bruises and some slight damage to my ribs. Are you advocating we should use live people to crash test cars? How do you think they proved lift jackets can keep people afloat oh wait they also used dummies to test jackets. Really man your grasping at straws..

Hmm.. I think at this point all that's left to do is... ...leave this image. It will, from this point on be my rebuttal to all your claims..

 

[Spud]

may I!

 

[Trashy]

Yes, Please Do!!!!!

 

[carlc]

holy sh&t! its been three days and OT still hasnt realized that avalanche bags save lives. bright one

 

[BottomFeeder m7.]

OT.

i was in a avy a few weeks ago in alaska. Slab was about 2 feet thick and was as hard as ice. I tried to swim and i couldent even move. I had enough time to pull my ABS and I felt it pushing me to the top. when i stoped i was olny burried to my chest. and im not a huge person on hill climbing.

So why dont you just stop bashing us. Maybe some of us want to come home. Let me guess you will say its your fault you were in the avy. Lets say i was stuck and someone else triggered it. then is it my fault. Would i be stupid then for having a Abs or a snowpulse. Stop mad doggin us and go ride. get laid. whatever.

 

[woodies]

why do you all keep this alive?

 

[PowderProject]

OT.

i was in a avy a few weeks ago in alaska. Slab was about 2 feet thick and was as hard as ice. I tried to swim and i couldent even move. I had enough time to pull my ABS and I felt it pushing me to the top. when i stoped i was olny burried to my chest. and im not a huge person on hill climbing.

So why dont you just stop bashing us. Maybe some of us want to come home. Let me guess you will say its your fault you were in the avy. Lets say i was stuck and someone else triggered it. then is it my fault. Would i be stupid then for having a Abs or a snowpulse. Stop mad doggin us and go ride. get laid. whatever.

He has nothing better to do man. All he can do is sit on his fat azz and play on his computer. Last but not least, he does all this while collecting his trust fund. Sounds like a pretty fun job

 

[m8magicandmystery]

1. Can your avybag save others during an avalanche ?

2. Can your beacon save others during an avalanche ?

Which is the better tool....1 tool that might save yourself ? OR 1 tool that might save yourself and your buddies ?

OT

well considering the possibility that an avy might kill me and my buddies,,,i think an avy bag would be pretty handy to save me so i could use my beacon to try and rescue them..??...but regardless telling a person to purchase a beacon like you did make them part of the problem with your reason with the post on avy bags in this forum...so why the double take..??...

 

[m8magicandmystery]

Thanks for the invite. I'll bet it would be interesting and fun to meet OT and you for dinner. I actually live not far from you. I like white but I'll bring a couple Red for you.

PS, you spelled spaghetti wrong. Poor spelling is something that shouldn't be tolerated IMO.

spaghetti spaghetti ..there..i did copy and paste it though..lol...white wine actually is my favorite wine...well if your close we may someday have dinner..depending on your meaning of close....OT..will be more difficult im certain to have as a dinner guest as his travel is further...and since Hollywood is doing a sequel to the movie GRUMPY OLD MEN..and the original actors are not availiable...well OT..is going to be preoccupied in his not so acting acting career

 

[NoSecondChances]

Dude,early this morning you posted pictures see,see,see the avybag workie see, see, see ir workie......6 hours later you post say's "Actually we had a tough time that dat getting decent slides"....Perhaps if you strapped your self in and gave the test dummy a break, you might have a change of opinion.

OT

But it kept the dummy afloat in that situation did it not? You can still see him at the bottom of the slide area correct? You have to agree that it worked in that situation whether you like it or not.

This thread did have merit at one time and was worth reading, however this has just turned into a vendetta about trying to prove a point, and as stated before, I'm not going to argue the merits of an airbag or not. OT, your original message got through loud and clear and you succeeded on the fishing expedition for almost 15 pages now. You're BLC brand thought process is now in jeopardy. Seriously man, step back from the table and be real. No one person is going to jeopardize themselves to test an airbag, so the dummy will have to do for now. You need to accept that this is the best we have given the circumstances.

Was it not you who said that most avy victims die from trauma anyway? So why would you want another person to put themselves in harms way to try and prove some flawed theory about how it won't work? Sorry man, I was in full support of your "tough love" approach until you started picking on the suppliers of safety products re: the people who are trying to keep us alive out there so we can enjoy the sport we love. No testing method will be entirely sound and there can always be room for improvement, the only thing sledders can do is try and teach each other to ride as safely as possible and use their heads when they are out there.

 

[pwdrhogRMK800]

Clearly, if your an owner of such a bag you admit to taking the risk on potential dangerous slopes during snowmobile activity.

OT

Not going to spend much time on this but that is one of the dumbest things I have heard.

 

[SSWIM]

My, my, my. Steve, you sure know how to keep a thread alive. Amazing the ability you have to "stir the pot". I can not imagine the aptitude it takes to think up such tumultuous posts. Were you a Politician in another life??? LOL.

Keep her going, it is entertaining.


Sam

 

[Adrenaline Revolution]

Not going to spend much time on this but that is one of the dumbest things I have heard.

Clearly, you don't spend much time in the general section then.