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I thought price fixing was illegal

Fair, right, we're splitting hairs. What's the difference? Changing the word doesn't suddenly make the position more acceptable (socialism).

Money back to us? What do people think companies do with there money? People have jobs (read some of the threads on this 4m. A lot of peeps have very good paying jobs working for the oil industry or companies that support them; got equipment, trucks, repair facilities, etc). The industry is huge, and spends a lot of money keeping it going. Even the big wigs that everyone complains about making all the money spread it around...it does go back in the system; they buy homes, toys (got yacht? someone built it) buy stocks in other industries (investments for all the money, which goes, imagine this, back into the economy), etc, etc, etc.

Or, you could take the other approach (the "money back to us", as in government) where the distribute it to social programs, etc, or in other words, to those that don't work for it.

Just think: you are currently employed by a company that makes beautiful crystal stem wear, top of the line, no expense spared. It's a nitch market and profitable. You're a valuable employee with special skills. But, now, with the changes in government taking over oil, there isn't any wealthy oil exec's...and there are now less people to buy your product. So your hours get cut, your salary goes down, and why?? because the government is going to decide where to spend "our money", and trust me, it won't be to those that are working. You sure you want this?



In a nut shell, that's the big difference I see on here with the discussion. It's trust, and most of us don't trust the government to run a business, which this is. I keep hearing how it's a "necessity" which it's not. Some wrote earlier "Fact, it's a necessity". Fact is, it's not a fact. No amount of slamming one's hand on the table will make it so either. No one's keeping you from living in a cave. It's a choice to have a home, heat it, burn fuel to get a better job so you can do these things. It's human desire to improve one's position in life. But that does not make oil a "necessity" by any stretch of the imagination.

Of course we all desire oil to be cheaper. Remember when TV came out, they were EXPENSIVE, and a luxury. Now, people think it's a "necessity" and have 2, 3, 4 in each house. Spare me.


I find your position WITHOUT foundation especially with our desire to use public land for recreation or transportation.

Why ... because you ride a snowmobile. You probably ride on public land. If not a snowmobile perhaps an automobile , truck, boat or train.

To declare it is accepted program to have socialized "public" transportation and not some type of "public" oil program?

Or as I am saying our "public" energy policy should be refined and optimized?

People seem to imply the government is not involved in the oil industry?
You're kidding me ???

During most of the twentieth century, oil and gas companies generally paid between 12.5 and 16.7 percent in royalties for a lease to drill on public land or water.

Here is one small tiny part of ther proiblem:


In 1995, both houses of Congress passed and President Bill Clinton signed the Deep Water Royalty Relief Act (S.395), which granted a royalty "holiday" to oil and gas companies drilling in government-owned deep waters in the Gulf of Mexico for leases sold between 1996 and 2000. Specifically, under the program, companies would not have to pay the normal royalties except when market prices reached $34 a barrel for oil and $4 per thousand cubic feet for natural gas. At the time, oil and gas prices were fairly low, and supporters of the bill argued it would provide an incentive for petroleum companies to drill for oil and natural gas inside the U.S.

In 2004 the Interior Department estimated the above act will eventually cost the government as much as $80 billion in lost revenue on royalties from leases issued from 1996 to 2000. In 2007 the Government Accountability Office estimated that the government had already lost about $1 billion but that outstanding lawsuits and other complications made an accurate estimate impossible until they were resolved.

THANK YOU BILL CLINTON !

In 2004, after oil and gas prices had risen substantially over the previous several years, Interior Secretary Gale Norton offered royalty incentives to shallow-water producers.[3] Specifically, Norton raised the threshold prices by which companies would need to begin paying royalties. The Interior Department originally proposed a cut-off price for royalty exemptions of $5 per million British thermal units (BTU's), but the Independent Petroleum Association of America, which represents smaller producers, argued that the new incentive would be useless because natural gas prices were already above $5. Ultimately, Norton set the threshold at $9.34. Shirley Neff, an economist at Columbia University, stated "There is no cost rationale...It is astounding to me that the administration would so blatantly cave in to the industry's demands."


YOU GO GEORGE !!!


In 2005, Congress passed and President Bush signed the Energy Policy Act of 2005 (H.R. 6). which included a variety of provisions to provide royalty relief to oil and gas companies. Environmental and taxpayer groups criticized the legislation. Sara Zdeb, Legislative Director of Friends of the Earth, criticized the legislation as it came out of conference, saying, “the bill hands over billions in taxpayer dollars to America’s worst polluting industries while shortchanging renewable energy and energy efficiency—proven solutions that reduce our dependence on oil.”

There you go Congress.
 
2006, Congress passed and the President signed the Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act. Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) and Senate Energy Committee Chairman Pete Domenici (R-N.M.), coauthored the plan to open 8.3 million acres in the Gulf of Mexico and share 37.5 percent of the new royalty revenues, dedicated to coastal protection, with Louisiana, Texas, Mississippi and Alabama. An additional 12.5 percent will be dedicated to the state side of the Land and Conservation Fund, which funds the acquisition of parks and green spaces across the country.[8] An industry-led coalition called the Consumer Alliance for Energy Security applauded passage of the bill and claimed that they “played a prominent role” in winning its passage.

Tyson Slocum, director of Public Citizen’s Energy Program criticized the legislation:

"America is already the third biggest oil producer in the world. The problem isn’t that we produce too little oil – it’s that we consume too much, using one of every four barrels of oil in the world each day. The smartest way to break our reliance on oil is to increase fuel economy standards and invest in energy efficiency measures and mass transit... Left to their own devices, oil companies will just keep drilling in environmentally sensitive federal land and offshore areas, and fueling their corporate wealth in the process."


SHUT ER DOWN SHUT ER DOWN

NOW FOR THE OIL ? LAND ? GOVERNMENT ? people who can't count.

During the mid-nineties, whistleblowers and the Project on Government Oversight (POGO), a government watchdog group, filed suit against sixteen oil companies for failing to pay their required royalties. POGO’s suit was filed under the False Claims Act (FCA), which provides citizens the power to sue on behalf of the federal government for fraud. In these cases, the Justice Department has the right to join the case. This ultimately happened in the POGO case. From 1998 to 2001, a dozen major companies, while acknowledging no wrongdoing, paid $438 million to settle charges that they had intentionally misreported their sale prices for oil (in order to pay lower royalties).[11] POGO listed the suit, and its eventual settlement, in its 2006 “Greatest Hits” list.

POGO eventually issued several reports finding hundreds of millions of dollars in uncollected royalties. The litigation and investigations by POGO and Congress prompted the Department of Interior’s Minerals Management Service (MMS) in 1998 to issue new rules for oil royalty collections which would end future underpayments. For a few years, Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Texas) prevented the new rule from being implemented by putting spending riders on to annual appropriations bills.

Senators favoring the new valuations rule mounted a filibuster led by Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) on the FY 2000 Interior and Related Agencies appropriations bill. Ultimately, a compromise passed which was signed into law as PL. 106-113 on November 29, 1999. It contained valuation rule language delaying the implementation of a rule until March 15, 2000.

YOU GO BOXER YOU GO GIRL MAKE SURE THOSE OIL COMPANIES DON"T PAY PAST DUE UNDERPAYMENTS but they will pay tomorrow

The Department of Interior (DOI) did eventually succeed in renegotiating lease terms with some of the oil companies.[66] On December 14, 2006, Assistant Secretary of Land and Minerals Management C. Stephen Allred announced that the government had signed agreements with BP, ConocoPhillips, Marathon Oil Company, Shell, and Walter Oil and Gas Corporation. Under the agreements, these companies agreed to begin paying royalties on oil and gas produced under leases issued in 1998-1999. Past royalties would not be collected. According to congressional staff, these companies represented just 17 percent of the flawed 1998-99 leases.

At a Senate Energy Committee hearing on January 18, 2007, DOI Assistant Secretary C. Stephen Allred continued to express the Interior Department's opposition to the Hinchey-Markey approach to fixing the leasing error, saying "we must be mindful of unintended consequences, including potential new legislation that might result in litigation affecting future lease sales in the gulf."[68]

IF IT IS BROKE DON'T FIX IT SO WE CAN LEGISLATE MORE TOMORROW

The Department of Interior (DOI) did eventually succeed in renegotiating lease terms with some of the oil companies.[66] On December 14, 2006, Assistant Secretary of Land and Minerals Management C. Stephen Allred announced that the government had signed agreements with BP, ConocoPhillips, Marathon Oil Company, Shell, and Walter Oil and Gas Corporation. Under the agreements, these companies agreed to begin paying royalties on oil and gas produced under leases issued in 1998-1999. Past royalties would not be collected. According to congressional staff, these companies represented just 17 percent of the flawed 1998-99 leases.

At a Senate Energy Committee hearing on January 18, 2007, DOI Assistant Secretary C. Stephen Allred continued to express the Interior Department's opposition to the Hinchey-Markey approach to fixing the leasing error, saying "we must be mindful of unintended consequences, including potential new legislation that might result in litigation affecting future lease sales in the gulf."

And finally OUR GOVERNMENT FAIR EQUAL NOT INVOLVED AND A BUNCH OF UNDER THE TABLE BACK PUBLIC DISERVICE CROOKS

In December 2006, the New York Times reported that the Justice Department had “begun two criminal investigations into the Interior Department’s Minerals Management Service” including one which involved officials who manage the royalties-in-kind program.

The Justice Department was investigating “whether the director of a multibillion-dollar oil-trading program at the Interior Department has been paid as a consultant for oil companies hoping for contracts.” According to the Times, “investigators were worried that senior government officials had been steering huge oil-trading contracts to favored companies.” Three Minerals Management Service employees themselves as part of a consulting company whose “purpose is to supply the minerals industry with expertise in mineral resource assessment, financial and economic analysis, mineral database design, and data collection techniques.” According to CBS News, one of the consultants said the website “never generated any business for me.”

Okay so they can't count, make back room deals, commit fraud, extorsion, kickbacks, bribes and only from GOD's lips to your ears knows what else is not going on.

Ya it's not fair but why should it be fair? You're kidding right?


about 1/3 of the oil produced in the USA comes from public land BUT nobody knows for sure because they can't count it
 
You know this has lots of emotion in this issue.

I feel personally attacked as well as other people with land and oil issues.

Where to ride the sled, what EPA emissions to have in the sled, what kind of fuel etc..
Do I have the right sticker, papers, insurance, proper knowledge of the rules, boundaries and regulations in the area we are gonna ride.

I think it reasonable to ask the government to be accountable with their actions when it influences our abilities to live the way we want or live the way we need. And when they mess with it we have a right and some I think a duty to make them CLEAN UP THEIR ACT while we clean up ours.
 
OK, here is a scenario for you guys who think the Gov should not interfere with private corporations.

I am a contractor, I decide to buy out all the contractors I can, and the remaining contractors agree to form an alliance to fix prices so that your average home will go up 200 percent even though the materials to build stay the same as the supply is overwhelming and demand is high. So instead of paying 250,000 for a nice home, you pay 500,000.

THis is a start. I am making you pay what I say you will pay. You now are forced to buy an old home, with need of repairs, in which I am also the contractor you will hire do said repairs.............................on and on.

THen, I decide to get the monopoly..........ahem, I mean corporation, to double that again. Because no one can stop me.

I dont think anyone here is saying what you think guys. All we are saying, is that things that are a nessecity(sp?), should not be in the hands of private corporations that can make thier own rules and fix prices. THe whole oil thing is one big monopoly, proven by the fact that every one in it, profit by the increase.

What is more communist?
Private corporations who can charge what ever they want, and screw taxpayers that the gov wont help and cant help?

Or, gov steps in, takes over production and refining, charges appropriate prices, 100 percent goes back to taxpayers in forms of employment, scientific study on better emmisions and alternate fuels, ROADS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You see, the way I see it, if gov took over we all would be better off as advancment of scientific study on alternative fuels would be funded by gas, how many billions of dollars go to Shell, BP, exxon, that could go right back to the taxpayer in one form or the other?

It is not a matter of "it's not fair" It is a matter of "it's not right". I would rather see our money go back to to us, rather than any, and I mean ANY, forein country wether it be in oil, or aid.

It's time to take America back.

Dan, it really sounds like it's time for you to move. Get into an area where oil and gas is driving the economy and some back and tell us the same thing. You won't. Bag on "big oil" all you want, but the money they dump into the economy, starting at the exploratory stage, all the way to the final product, is astronomical.

As for your contractor example, this is the biggest reason why the economy is depressed the way it is. People were riding the wave, living high on the hog and everyone thought they needed to live in nicest, fanciest house on the block and they spent money they didn't have or got into debt they couldn't service to keep up with the Joneses. Fine if the market is there for that type of housing, out on your arse in a hurry if there isn't. I wish some people in this part of the world would have paid attention to what happened down south, because it will happen here sooner or later as well. This wave can't and won't last forever.

Times are a changing and you have to change with them or get left in the dust. Don't whine if you stand still and get left behind.
 
I suppoose I could choose to not eat and choose to not wear clothes as well, but either is not an acceptable option. I work in the health field and someone has to do my job. If I choose to not buy gas I could not get to work. I have to live 20 miles from my hospital due to economics. Trust me, I tried to live in town but the commute is cheaper even at 5 bucks a gallon. "Affordable housing" in Steamboat is pushing 400k. I suppose that all of the healthcare workers could choose to leave and find someplace to work that was within walking distance but who would do the work. Mass transit in this country is a joke and only an option for a small percentage of the total work force. We could go back to living in company housing and buying supplies at the company store. We know how well that works.. for the company. If everyone chose not to buy gas we would fall into chaos and ruin. Until there is a viable substitute to gas, it IS a necessity for survival not only for ourselves but for the society as a whole.
True there are whole viable communities of Amish that live quite well "off the grid' . Are you advocating that we all form communes and fend for ourselves. Do you like the fact that in most areas you can call 911 and get help in a timely manner? How would that happen if the police, fire, and rescue personell choose not to buy gas? It is necessary for them to consume fuel to provide what what is considered basic services in a civilized society. (THUMP!!) Fist hitting the desk..
Putting gas in my sled is NOT a necessity. Even heating my home with propane is arguably a luxury. I could install a wood stove and chop down trees but look at the air quality in China with all the open fires for heating and cooking.
And unless I OWN the land the cave is on, I would have to live on public land and the government WOULD stop me from doing so.
 
Dan, it really sounds like it's time for you to move. Get into an area where oil and gas is driving the economy and some back and tell us the same thing. You won't. Bag on "big oil" all you want, but the money they dump into the economy, starting at the exploratory stage, all the way to the final product, is astronomical.

As for your contractor example, this is the biggest reason why the economy is depressed the way it is. People were riding the wave, living high on the hog and everyone thought they needed to live in nicest, fanciest house on the block and they spent money they didn't have or got into debt they couldn't service to keep up with the Joneses. Fine if the market is there for that type of housing, out on your arse in a hurry if there isn't. I wish some people in this part of the world would have paid attention to what happened down south, because it will happen here sooner or later as well. This wave can't and won't last forever.

Times are a changing and you have to change with them or get left in the dust. Don't whine if you stand still and get left behind.

I understand there are jobs in oil developement today. I understand there were good jobs in building yesterday and not today. But it seems to me people are asking each individual change and "work harder" "work some place else" while the government doesn't clean up its act and look out for the individuals more instead of the easier way of looking after a few big entities.

Sure it is easier to lump up a group and deal with it. But in this case over a 30-37 year time period they missed the big picture of being accountable and helping most people live a better life. So I guess we could argue what is better? 40 years ago the "nuclear family" was the norm when the woman stayed home, Dad worked 8 hours a day , strong union with at least 2 weeks vacation.

Or today where both parents work and the internet, television and schools babysit the kids while the 40 hour work week is now 60 or 70 and vacations are usually part of business? Plus as aof a few years ago more children are born to unwed parents for the first time in US history.

So I ask do you think the USA will be better off the way it is being responsible towards what is being socially accepted as the norm ... like gas prices, like marriage, like land use, like accountability, like the news propaganda ????

My boss is from the middle east. Even he is openly debating moving back after 25 years to a religious fanatic controlled country because of how much "freedom" and "normality" has been replaced with "silence" "compliance" "conformity" " new age of socially accepted behavior"
 
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OK, here is a scenario for you guys who think the Gov should not interfere with private corporations.

I am a contractor, I decide to buy out all the contractors I can, and the remaining contractors agree to form an alliance to fix prices so that your average home will go up 200 percent even though the materials to build stay the same as the supply is overwhelming and demand is high. So instead of paying 250,000 for a nice home, you pay 500,000.

THis is a start. I am making you pay what I say you will pay. You now are forced to buy an old home, with need of repairs, in which I am also the contractor you will hire do said repairs.............................on and on.

THen, I decide to get the monopoly..........ahem, I mean corporation, to double that again. Because no one can stop me.
That scenario is happening all over the country. The cost to build per square foot has quadruppled in this are in just FIVE years. When I built my house I had to pay my contractor 50 bucks an hour for unskilled labor. My bill for electricians, plumbers and masons was astronomical at best. In contrast, we are in the process of moving back to Florida for a few years. (don't ask)
I can buy a new house there for about a quarter to one third of the cost here. Market value. Supply and demand. Call it what you will. Should the government step in and tell the contractors here they must lower their rates? Do I deserve to be able to buy a house here for the same price as FL? Lets face it, they have the same labor pool. It is streaming across the border unchecked.
 
Don't get me wrong guys, I'm in the same boat as well. My business ventures depend on fuel as well. Being in Canada, we've already been paying more for fuel for a real long time. Considering the dollar is at par or slightly above, we're currently paying $5.06 / US Gallon for gas and $5.17 for diesel. My pricing has been changed to reflect that.

Would I like to buy "cheap" fuel again? Damn straight I would, but the reality is, it won't happen again. I can see it leveling off and dropping slightly over the course of the next year. Look at the prices in Europe and where they have been for quite some time. All you can do is change your priorities and eliminate "useless" trips in the vehicle. If your wages aren't increasing with the rising cost of living, look for more or go elsewhere. All the whining in the world won't change a damn thing.
 
Beels--HUH?
You are confusing me, you asnwered your own question there.
Housing is changing just like it should(I was making a comparison, not being realistic before guys), once it was good, now it went downhill. When it was good, prices were high and everyone was busy, as the work was a plenty. Quality of work was high because everyone was charging for it.
Now, prices have plummeted as the number of house builders and any tye of builder for that matter are slow, ans are doing whatever they can do to get work, I.E., lowering prices and lowering quality as they cant afford to build a high price anything, for so much less, then add the oil thing and..............it gets even worse.
I would love to see fuel do the same, but it wont.
As for whining, gawd dam right I am whinging, actually I liek to call it "Explosive *****in".
When we say nothing, no one does nothing, when we all cry out in anger, things get attention. That is how it works down here Beels. If I could march into the capitol and chnage it, I would. I just dont have the power.
Wehter anyone knows it or not, gas is cheap to make. Oil is abundant. We are all gettin the screws.
 
So you're just whining then?

Get used to it because no matter who is in office, it won't change.

In the USA some people get away with whatever they can UNTIL THEY GET CAUGHT. They woi't get caught if people don't try and catch them.

If we EXPOSE any corrupt and or inefficient part of the marketplace people will start to think .... maybe those snowmobilers burning fuel or those recreation vehicles did not create this problem. Maybe those enviromentalists preventing us from using this land is making us pay for all it by way of higher fuel prices.

Maybe the politicians will go ... oh crap the public opinion won't let me give public land rights to who ever based on some political whim.

Sorry enviro-nazis can't stop oil exploration today maybe when oil is $10 a barrel. Maybe the politician will get voted out of office or have people follow them around and catch their political butt doing something immorral, unethical or illegal.

I know one thing about USA ... say nothing and you might get nothing ... even if you are entitled, righteous and the first one in line.
 
I have written letters to my congressmen, they will rspond back, with the same old garbo.
Beels, please re-read the last post I wrote. Read closer.....................
 
So.....lets look at the majority of other countries that pay as much or in most cases alot more for a gallon of fuel than we do here in the US/Canada. What have they tried to lower their prices and has anything ever worked?
It looks to me like the countries with cheap fuel have 2 things.....ALOT of oil (and they export most of it) and not alot of consumption. We are the exact opposite, so WHY should our fuel be cheaper than the rest of the world? Gotta pay to play.....as much as I don't like it I really think higher prices are here to stay.
 
So.....lets look at the majority of other countries that pay as much or in most cases alot more for a gallon of fuel than we do here in the US/Canada. What have they tried to lower their prices and has anything ever worked?
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To make a comparison like you state above you need to compair apples to apples.

Remove all taxes from the price of fuel and compair the actual cost of the FUEL per country.
Some countries subsidise their fuel prices to bring the price down where as others (such as the US) add a lot of tax to it. Remove all incentives and taxes and compair just the cost of the fue.

Anyone know where we can find how much tax or compensation is added to the cost of the fuel by country??


I have to really hand it to people.
To have a conversation this long without anyone doing something stupid is great. The info being passed back and forth is actually very informative.
 
I have to really hand it to people.
To have a conversation this long without anyone doing something stupid is great. The info being passed back and forth is actually very informative.

It's an important subject, brings out strong emotions in all of us. Kudo's to all, I agree....
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There is so much speculation as to the "why" fuel costs have climbed, snowest and every newspaper is covered in it, then followed by "here's the answer", and alot of smart, well informed people with alot of different answers, but no one wants to address what makes the US so special that we should be granted cheaper fuel than the rest of the world? When the reality is we are reliant on the middle east (basically our enemy) for one of the most important items that makes our country tick.....the enemy has us by the balls right now IMO. Slowly bringing us to our knees ???? Just a thought- :beer;
 
Ollie's right. You have to compare apples to apples. The Europeans use a lot of the taxes from fuel to fund mass transit. We use it to build more roads for more cars. It would be very enlightening to see just what some of the Euros are paying in taxes per gallon vs the US on average. And where the monies are allocated.

There is no secret to why fuel costs have risen. " Here's the answer." It is just greed. Pure and simple. The only reason to raise prices when demand is down and supply is up is because they can. Maximizing profits is fine. But to do so at the risk of profound recession is greedy and immoral.
And you and I will moan and groan at the pump but we will still buy the gas.
 
OPEC and Gas Prices Around the World
Global Gas Prices

Want the world's cheapest tank of gas? Take a trip to Venezuela, where gas is 12 cents a gallon. At the other end of the spectrum is Sierra Leone, where gas is $18.62 per gallon [source: Hargreaves].

The single largest entity impacting the world's oil supplies is the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), a consortium of 13 countries: Algeria, Angola, Ecuador, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Libya, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Venezuela.
Together, these 13 nations are responsible for 40 percent of the world's oil production and hold the majority of the world's oil reserves, according to the Energy Information Administration (EIA). When OPEC wants to raise the price of crude oil, it simply reduces production. This causes gasoline prices to jump because of the short supply, but also because of the possibility of future reductions. When oil production dips, gas companies get nervous. The mere threat of oil reductions can raise gas prices.

In April 2001, OPEC decided to reduce its collective production by one million barrels per day. This was at the same time that American consumers saw gas prices rise, hitting an average high of $1.71 per gallon on May 14, 2001.

OPEC increased its production in June 2005, when it raised to 28 million barrels per day with an increase of 500,000 barrels per day pending changes in oil prices. In September 2005, it made all of its member countries' "spare output" available, an estimated 2 million barrels per day. However, in November 2006, OPEC again reduced its rate of production by 1.7 million barrels per day to keep the price from falling below $50 per barrel [Source: Joint Economic Committee ]. OPEC's estimated production for the first quarter of 2008 was an average of 32.3 million barrels per day [source: EIA].


Beyond OPEC, there are several other countries that contribute to the world's crude-oil supplies, including the United States, Mexico, Canada, Equatorial Guinea, Russia and China. In February 2008, the United States imported from Canada approximately 1.9 million barrels of crude oil per day [Energy Information Administration]. OPEC tracks the oil production of these nations and then adjusts its own production to maintain its desired barrel price.
Most expensive places to buy gas
Rank Country Price/gal
1. Eritrea $9.58
2. Norway $8.73
3. United Kingdom $8.38
4. Netherlands $8.37
5. Monaco $8.31
6. Iceland $8.28
7. Belgium $8.22
8. France $8.07
9. Germany $7.86
10. Portugal $7.84
108 of 155. United States $3.45


Where gasoline is cheapest
Rank Country Price/gal
1. Venezuela 12 cents
2. Iran 40 cents
3. Saudi Arabia 45 cents
4. Libya 50 cents
5. Swaziland 54 cents
6. Qatar 73 cents
7. Bahrain 81 cents
8. Egypt 89 cents
9. Kuwait 90 cents
10. Seychelles 98 cents



155 countries surveyed between March 17 and April 1, 2008. Prices not adjusted for cost of living or exchange rates
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"Everybody pays more, but the U.S. pays more in absolute terms," said Lee Shipper, a visiting scholar at the University of California Berkeley's Transportation Center. If you're already paying $4 in taxes, said Schipper, then an extra $2 a gallon isn't that big of a deal.


Revenues from Europe's high gas taxes are used to fund a variety of things. One thing they have built is better public transportation, said Peter Tertzakian, chief energy economist at ARC Financial, a Calgary-based private equity firm.

They gave people an alternative to driving, something we don't have in North America," said Tertzakian.

Low fuel taxes and prices sprung out of a national love for mobility going back generations, said Robert Lang, director of the urban planning think tank Metropolitan Institute at Virginia Tech.

In fact, the U.S. could not have had the western expansion it did without the cheap mobility railroads and horse carriages afforded long before it became an auto-obsessed culture, said Lang.

"You couldn't have Manifest Destiny unless you could move," he said.

The automobile, and its promise of personal mobility, only deepened the nation's love affair with travel.

"Nobody sang 'She'll have fun fun fun until her daddy takes the tokens away,'" said Lang. 'It's totally romanticized."

Gas consumption Europe vs. U.S. There is some evidence Europe's high gas taxes have capped its oil consumption.

Oil use in the United Kingdom has basically stayed flat from 1980 to now, while in France it's dropped 17%, according to figures from the Energy Information Administration.

In the U.S., meanwhile, oil use is up 21% over the same period, although the country has added more people and seen its economy grow slightly faster.

Americans have taken advantage of cheap gas prices to do other things - like buy bigger cars and bigger houses further away from city centers, said Schipper.

On a per capita basis, Americans use three times more oil than Europeans, he said. That means Americans are more exposed to rising gas prices than their counterparts across the Atlantic.
"Five-thousand square feet in the suburbs, that's much rarer in Europe," said Schipper, referring to big homes. "We dug our hole."



First Published: May 1, 2008: 4:16 AM EDT

The company posting global gas prices sells part of the list but I have not found the entire list of fuel prices for all 155 countries surveyed. http://www.air-inc.com/news.html
 
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Like I said it is public information and very easy to find. Here is you a link to read up on the subject. By the way exxon mobile only profited .o4 cents on a dollar in the first quarter of this year. This was stated in the CEO's testimony before congress, which I'm sure is available for public viewing also.

http://www.api.org/statistics/earnings/upload/earnings_perspective.pdf

I guess my question for you is this... are you and others really that gullable to believe that the oil companies are only posting.04 cents on a dollar? Then how are they continually posting record profits? In a year the price of oil has doubled, from about $60-$70 to $130 a barrel. Do you you really believe that there production costs have double as well? You and others are pretty naive.
 
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