I have to admit the T3....

[ReTodd]

Yeah, my Pro has been right there with his all season until this last Thur when Revy had 4+ feet of new. In 2-3' I have't noticed a difference but in the "wot in the flats" kind of snow he killed me. I mostly ride trees and tech so I'm not talking climbing wide open faces.....the fact that his 163" gets around in the trees in the 2-3' snow as well as mine but then kills me in the bottomless says something.

Here's to hoping Poo steps up for 16'. Got a golden ticket?


Icr.....y u busting his balls? I've found rental fleet owners to definitely have more real world experience than a lot of self proclaimed experts.

 

[snowmobiler]

heres one for my poo friends

 

[sledneck_03]

all i keep seeing is these t3s are great beginner and wife sleds. like hunting in a enclosed park with a barrel stand and a guide with binoculars, you can keep telling yourself your awesome but real hunters/sledders know.....

 

[Jaynelson]

That's the most hard pack deep snow climb I've seen lol. That said - I never had a doubt that a 174x16x3" track would outclimb a Pro - did anyone?

Also, I don't know if this is typical, but my buddy paid over $2K more CDN for his 163" T3 than I did for my 163" Pro snowcheck....and mine has well over $1,000 more in accessories. The only thing I know for sure is - he ain't having $3K more fun than I am That's 2/3's of the turbo kit if I wanted to go that road.

Strangely enough - no T-motion, no Pro motion, no flex track, no snow in BC (lol), no 3", stock bars, not even a can. And you can still have an f'ing blast on it - I know weird right? Set the suspension and learn how to ride the thing a bit, and it'll do whatever ya need....even without a wrap. The list of sh!t people from somewhere flat "need" to ride their sleds in the mountains is always good for a laugh.

 

[pfi572]

Jaynelson ,
I am with you on the video. Climbs on a old slide area that is hard and then cuts across.
Fail to see the "deep" snow .
IMO

 

[rmscustom]

You guys beat me to it but it looks pretty heroish to me.

 

[live to ride]

Well here is the experience I do have. I have owned well over 100 ski doo's with the xp / xm chassis and put between 4000-6000 mile on each of them. I currently have 19. I assess over $60,000 in damages to equipment (although that includes summer equipment) each year. I have seen nearly every imaginable accident / damage. So take it for what it's worth.

In the first couple years the xp came out I replace a lot more because doo overdid the strength on the a arm. They have since softened it and usually the a arm just bends.

I will however be replacing an s module tomorrow. I had a customer grab the throttle and pin it into a boulder at the edge of the parking lot. He never touched the brake. Only s module, upper and lower a arms and bottom pan and bumper. E module and tunnel just fine. I'm afraid if that was one of my polaris, I'd be replacing a tunnel and wishing just the bulkhead got tweaked.

You keep wanting to but heads with me, but I am simply putting out non biased experience with both brands. Both have their strengths and both have some weaknesses and in my business you happen to find all the weaknesses in a short period of time. I also think the "unreliable" Pro 800 motor issue going around is a little overblown as I have ran dozens of those with 2000+ miles without a burn down. Just because you hear a couple horror stories on s modules being weak and pro motors not being reliable doesn't actually represent all the real world data.

If nothing else, thanks for the entertainment tonight!

mtnpull do you provide the fuel for these sleds? if so what do you use?

 

[mtnpull]

mtnpull do you provide the fuel for these sleds? if so what do you use?

I don't provide fuel. However we require our renters fill up at a fuel station two doors down that has non ethanol. So only non-ethanol 88 goes into these sleds.

 

[mtnpull]

Just before Christmas I picked up a T3 163. I have been on a Pro for the last 4 years and just decided rather than dumping money into a Pro that wouldn't be worth anything next year(putting on a 3" track), that I'd change it up and try out a T3. So with the nature of my business I have been slammed through the 1st of the year, so I ordered up some parts and built it up the way I wanted it. Yesterday we got some new and overdue snow and so today I took her out on the maiden voyage. Honestly I couldn't be more impressed. Unfortunately the snow today wasn't the bottomless pow I was hoping to see how she shined. Instead it was 12-16" of new on top of some older set up snow. I went to an area that I have ridden dozens of times on my Pro's in all conditions. This sled flat out rips. I had no problems holding sidehills, changing elevations on sidehills and even hit a south facing side hill that was super inconsistent under the soft snow with ruts and hard snow that will really throw you around and I breezed right across it. Impressive. The ride was entirely tree riding. Picking lines and very dicey. The T3 is very nimble and I pretty much just straddled the seat and shifted my weight to move in and out of the trees. Making downhill turns on this thing was night and day easier than on my Pro. Seriously, such a fun machine! I felt just as comfortable on my first ride on it as I did on my Pro after 4 years. Needless to say, Polaris has their work cut out for them in topping this one.

My only complaint (which isn't really a complaint) at this point is the ski lift I was getting. While climbing through the trees I was constantly wheeling. I am not sure if I need to just tighten my limiter strap, or if when that track got down to the more set up snow it really just hooked up and created lift. Something that we'll get more dialed in on a few more rides.

 

[800tundra]

Tighten limiter one hole . Made a world of difference on mine.

 

[snowmobiler]

hero snow in that video.get some glasses.LOL

 

[Jaynelson]

Look at the bumps he's goin through around 25 to 30 seconds in...no powder spray when the skis hit, and you can see the tops of the skis the whole time. Also no snow in the trees, so can't be too fresh. We went riding this weekend and it wasn't "hero snow," but it wasn't difficult to climb in either and guys in our group were pulling lines like that on 153 m sleds. Stuff always looks mellower on video, but I don't see anything revolutionary there.

But then like I always say....there have been 174 3" 300hp turbo m sleds around for 6 years that would have gone up that slope at 50mph....so I don't expect to see anything revolutionary out of any stock sled, mine included.

 

[Old Scud-doo]

Also, I don't know if this is typical, but my buddy paid over $2K more CDN for his 163" T3 than I did for my 163" Pro snowcheck....and mine has well over $1,000 more in accessories. The only thing I know for sure is - he ain't having $3K more fun than I am That's 2/3's of the turbo kit if I wanted to go that road.

As my wife and I were discussing last night, I am on my 2nd Pro. 2 motors and 1800 miles on the first one. The second one is a 13 and was MtnTek fix kit rebuilt at 1318 end of last season. It went out Saturday after 300 miles. Something let go. Not going to be cheap. So....2 sleds 5 motors if you count the first two. So 1200.00 twice and this one will be over 3000.00, divide by 2 (number of sleds) and that is $2700.00. Damn near 3k and no 3" x 174" track. Kind of puts it into perspective.

Not sure if I will be riding Ski-doo next year or Polaris right now but you have almost for sure figure in that you are going to have at least 1 top end rebuild. Yes you can wait for it fail and then get it handled under warranty. But, as I can attest, being pulled back in by your riding partner (dad), really sucks. Then wait for you dealer to get to it and diagnose the issue and then hopefully they have parts or can order parts. So now after we have gotten the best snow of the year I will be either sitting at home or riding my kids 2000 RMK 500 with 3k on the original motor. Thank God we weren't anywhere sketchy when it went.

 

[Jaynelson]

As my wife and I were discussing last night, I am on my 2nd Pro. 2 motors and 1800 miles on the first one. The second one is a 13 and was MtnTek fix kit rebuilt at 1318 end of last season. It went out Saturday after 300 miles. Something let go. Not going to be cheap. So....2 sleds 5 motors if you count the first two. So 1200.00 twice and this one will be over 3000.00, divide by 2 (number of sleds) and that is $2700.00. Damn near 3k and no 3" x 174" track. Kind of puts it into perspective.

Not sure if I will be riding Ski-doo next year or Polaris right now but you have almost for sure figure in that you are going to have at least 1 top end rebuild.

As usual - "your mileage may vary." You have to base your decisions on your experiences, and I would never fault anyone for that.

I had 4 seasons and 2,500 mountain miles on my 2011 Pro with 0 failures, no fix kits, etc, didn't even turn up the oiler or anything. And that sled is still out there hoonin' with its new owner. Rebuilt the primary, which is pretty standard fair for any brand. Spent less on repairs any maintenance in those 4 years than any of my riding partners on any other brand, and got to ride the most "cutting edge" sled during that time. No complaints. The Doo I owned for 3 years had 3 motors, a chaincase, computer, 3 clutch rebuilds, and a bunch of ruined rides and missed weekends in its 2,200 miles. So obviously I'm on a different page with my experiences.....even tho it's contrary to popular internet opinion.

Given that, I feel the 2011 and the 2015 have been a hell of a deal (for me), given the amount of fun and lack of failures/tinkering. 20 hours on this new Pro, and it feels like it's in it for the long haul as well I hope you find a combo that works well for you, because struggling with sled issues sucks and everyone can agree on that.

 

[geo]

All competition stuff aside, I think this post in the Poo section shows the new Doo is good.

It's a pull and go machine off the floor as the Pro started. Good for the consumer. They have dialed the motor and clutching recently and finally IMO have some handles I like a bit (throwing the track out of the picture). They did something to make it feel nimble lol.

Speaking of price,, to us Canucks (one place Doo really s**ks still). This winter is a b**ch but the sun still comes out somedays. Bonus for someone thinking of new. The deals on the floor up here for left over Pros and the warranty offered will never be seen again. It's still a great sled no matter what comes out in the next 5 yrs.
Little talk and 9500 of our 84 cent loonies plus price for living in Canada tax will get you a brand new sled.

That IMO makes it the winner this season in the real world.

 

[ARICH]

No doubt about it the t3's rip. must be something with the new rail design

 

[FatDogX]

ouch

 

[longlugs]

No doubt about it the t3's rip. must be something with the new rail design

Cooke City. Saw that rental at the gas station. The rail looks like a super weak point. Goes to show, every sled/brand has issues.

 

[05900]

Don"t let the Doo'ers see it.

 

[snowmobiler]

to much HP.