I have to admit the T3....
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How is the Camo Ex track relevant to this discussion? Neither of the sleds we are talking about here have that track.
camo ex is short for (camoplast challenger extreme) 2.5" or 3" etc.
thats the style track skidoo is using its more agressive than the
5.1 series track polaris runs
i've run both. the camo ex. is a great track and if its setup or there is some traction down in the snow it finds it and grabs
the polaris track shines in the fluff powder but suffers some on setup snow
i think this is one of the reasons folks felt the Pro was way down on HP in the past
feeling (seat of pants ) over the other models but then once on the hill they would keep up or out shine
i wish all the brands would let you order the sled with the track you want
thats the style track skidoo is using its more agressive than the
5.1 series track polaris runs
i've run both. the camo ex. is a great track and if its setup or there is some traction down in the snow it finds it and grabs
the polaris track shines in the fluff powder but suffers some on setup snow
i think this is one of the reasons folks felt the Pro was way down on HP in the past
feeling (seat of pants ) over the other models but then once on the hill they would keep up or out shine
i wish all the brands would let you order the sled with the track you want
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I haven't spent much time on the wife's 154 xM but maybe I should. I just remember last year when it would get steep the track would wash out. I do have to admit like others have stated that they are a lot easier to carve downhill or to initiate a sidehill. I think that's why my wife likes the xM so much due to the ease of being able to tip it over. When it gets steep I love how the pro will hold the line.
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rmscustom
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T3 threads in the Poo section, Pro threads in the Doo section... What the hell's going on out there? lol
Am I the only one that loves the puny 2.4" stock Poo track? Rode 15 days since Christmas in some of the most amazing snow I've ever been in (including a submarine neck deep day in Seeley) and love how its gets on top and maintains the maneuverability of the chassis. Then I had a meeting with a buried stump and rode the gf's 155" 600 for a day and started thinking maybe shorter is better (mines a 163")... Kinda opposite of the latest and greatest sled out there. lol
I wonder if Poo puts a new track on the 16s if it will be because it's better or because the sheople demand it?
Am I the only one that loves the puny 2.4" stock Poo track? Rode 15 days since Christmas in some of the most amazing snow I've ever been in (including a submarine neck deep day in Seeley) and love how its gets on top and maintains the maneuverability of the chassis. Then I had a meeting with a buried stump and rode the gf's 155" 600 for a day and started thinking maybe shorter is better (mines a 163")... Kinda opposite of the latest and greatest sled out there. lol
I wonder if Poo puts a new track on the 16s if it will be because it's better or because the sheople demand it?
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geo
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I had a hard time keeping up to couple of long T3's in this early snow. Probably hardest I've ridden since sometime ago. Expected some of that but not all of that. I'm looking forward to a rematch in a month with a bit more riding time in me before making an opinion.
Short ride, felt nicely balanced if you like rider forward and definitely is a "steering sled" compared to the way I ride my pro.
Long walk to the back grab bar if you step off in too deepa snow lol. Seems to sit over a foot higher in the snow so I would need to adjust when I step off lol.
Great motor with slow reacting clutches (probably the way a 3" should be) and that would change how I make fun in the snow. Took less throttle to move but more effort for me to turn tighter than the skis allow radius. Enough so that I just let the sled dictate my radius.
Snow was deep enough that anything could hold a side hill so I need more riding time there but the higher ride height of these 174's made getting out of that rut easier lol.
The track works as good as an Attack 20 did in powder. The drop and roll was done just right.
MO these are a new level deep snow speciality. Best 174 I've taken a scoot on any way. Opinion of a guy that's sticking with 155 'cause of the rest of the season.
Now the digs lol. New level of "fragility". New level of speciality in sleds. New level of packing up the open areas. What I saw!
Reminded me of riding a VK 540 with a narrow front end and more power, the way it just stays on top and moves forward. Made my groin muscles and shoulder muscles work more 'cause I'm real comfortable on my shorter sled. Makes a short box Chevy look like a Ford Ranger when a T3 is in the back. Makes a lifted Ford long box look like a short box Chevy (had to say something at the end of the day lol). Requires second garage or addition to existing for summer storage (had to say something else too! lol).
If more start to show up I`ll need to do some preseason training.
Short ride, felt nicely balanced if you like rider forward and definitely is a "steering sled" compared to the way I ride my pro.
Long walk to the back grab bar if you step off in too deepa snow lol. Seems to sit over a foot higher in the snow so I would need to adjust when I step off lol.
Great motor with slow reacting clutches (probably the way a 3" should be) and that would change how I make fun in the snow. Took less throttle to move but more effort for me to turn tighter than the skis allow radius. Enough so that I just let the sled dictate my radius.
Snow was deep enough that anything could hold a side hill so I need more riding time there but the higher ride height of these 174's made getting out of that rut easier lol.
The track works as good as an Attack 20 did in powder. The drop and roll was done just right.
MO these are a new level deep snow speciality. Best 174 I've taken a scoot on any way. Opinion of a guy that's sticking with 155 'cause of the rest of the season.
Now the digs lol. New level of "fragility". New level of speciality in sleds. New level of packing up the open areas. What I saw!
Reminded me of riding a VK 540 with a narrow front end and more power, the way it just stays on top and moves forward. Made my groin muscles and shoulder muscles work more 'cause I'm real comfortable on my shorter sled. Makes a short box Chevy look like a Ford Ranger when a T3 is in the back. Makes a lifted Ford long box look like a short box Chevy (had to say something at the end of the day lol). Requires second garage or addition to existing for summer storage (had to say something else too! lol).
If more start to show up I`ll need to do some preseason training.
Yeah and only response to a thread in the wrong section isn't "your sled sucks, mines the best....." Cats n dogs have started getting along (Yamaha), lol.
Maybe there will be a PooDoo in our future.
Only time will tell how they hold up. We haven't had any snow for the 10,000 yellow T3's up to really shine. The one ride I did see the 174 T3's putting idiots in terrain they had no business in. I still can not deal with the constant S and E module replacement and clutch problems.
That seems like a lot of money to have to put into a sled to compete with a bone stock one of another brand 
just poking fun.
just poking fun.
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carlc
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Says silber turbo is on the way guy! Hahahaha only poking funThat seems like a lot of money to have to put into a sled to compete with a bone stock one of another brand
I want to see the Polaris track in a 3" paddle. Best track out there for the deep IMO. Perhaps the new Doo 3" will prove as good or better but I love the soft paddles of the Pro track and the 15 wide. Ran one last year on my XM and really liked it most of the time.
I am really not a fan of this constant complaint. I have run both Pro chassis sleds and xm /xp chassis sleds in my rental fleet. The pro chassis bulkhead and front end is definitely stronger but take a hard hit and see your tunnel crease just behind the drive shaft and the bulkhead still looks great. Same hit on a doo and you replace an S module in 4 hours. I'd rather replace a few s modules and A arms that are readily available and easy to change than to wait a couple weeks for a tunnel (if polaris even has them in stock) plus pay $1000+ for said tunnel and then spend 8-10 hours gluing the damn thing back together. Just some real world experience from someone who has had to deal with the issues that come with both chassis.
Any sled will break on a hard enough hit. Skidoos break on weak hits that don't damage other brands. I'd rather have a light hit and not bend anything than have to spend a couple hundred dollars and a few hours fixing another module. You could also put a brace on the pro tunnel much like every skidoo owner does for their modules.
Oh, and how about those t3 spindles?
Oh, and how about those t3 spindles?
Again, this just isn't true. I've owned dozens of each. It takes a pretty good hit to actually damage the s module. I'll replace 8-9 a arms on a doo before I replace an s module. I would say I replace a dozen or so a arms on a polaris before a tunnel. The doo's take a harder hit than many of the brand loyal crowd wants to admit. I'm not playing favorites here. I will simply give accurate credible information. I have after all been personally riding a pro for the last 4 years. I just happen to have seen plenty of damages to both brands chassis and the s modules hold up way better than most polaris die hards will admit.
Your experience does not represent everyone else's.
http://www.snowest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386682
Just because you've replaced more A arms than S modules doesn't mean the S module isn't weak. I've owned three pros and never burned down a motor. Does that mean it's the most reliable motor on the market?
Well here is the experience I do have. I have owned well over 100 ski doo's with the xp / xm chassis and put between 4000-6000 mile on each of them. I currently have 19. I assess over $60,000 in damages to equipment (although that includes summer equipment) each year. I have seen nearly every imaginable accident / damage. So take it for what it's worth.
In the first couple years the xp came out I replace a lot more because doo overdid the strength on the a arm. They have since softened it and usually the a arm just bends.
I will however be replacing an s module tomorrow. I had a customer grab the throttle and pin it into a boulder at the edge of the parking lot. He never touched the brake. Only s module, upper and lower a arms and bottom pan and bumper. E module and tunnel just fine. I'm afraid if that was one of my polaris, I'd be replacing a tunnel and wishing just the bulkhead got tweaked.
You keep wanting to but heads with me, but I am simply putting out non biased experience with both brands. Both have their strengths and both have some weaknesses and in my business you happen to find all the weaknesses in a short period of time. I also think the "unreliable" Pro 800 motor issue going around is a little overblown as I have ran dozens of those with 2000+ miles without a burn down. Just because you hear a couple horror stories on s modules being weak and pro motors not being reliable doesn't actually represent all the real world data.
If nothing else, thanks for the entertainment tonight!
Yeah.
I wouldn't run a pro without tunnel braces and a fix kit.
Also wouldn't run an xm without grip and rip braces, weaker a arms, skid plate and clutching. Even with this if you hit something between the ski's the s mod is toast.
And now add weak rails and spindles to that?
But why would i want to ride the wider/harder to hold a steep sidehill/weaker sled.
It like going back in time to when j hooks on the hill were cool.
I wouldn't run a pro without tunnel braces and a fix kit.
Also wouldn't run an xm without grip and rip braces, weaker a arms, skid plate and clutching. Even with this if you hit something between the ski's the s mod is toast.
And now add weak rails and spindles to that?
But why would i want to ride the wider/harder to hold a steep sidehill/weaker sled.
It like going back in time to when j hooks on the hill were cool.
Up here in Cdn snow has been the lowest I have ever seen at this time, if we ever get the six foot dumps that is where t3 will really shines over the the poo
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Deep Powder Guy
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Hit something with you heavy duty 50K pickup truck and you'll stop complaining about how weak sleds are.
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