Would NOT be fun to loose it at high speed.
Heim Joint Failures on SKINZ Concept A-Arms
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paulharris
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you must work for zbroz. you really think the guys that spent $1000 on the skinz front end are going to throw it away and buy a new front end just because of a tie rod end issue that skinz is taking care of?
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BigFish BC
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zbros makes nice stuff but so does skins if i though this was them just being cheap it would be one thing, but they are not knowen for being cheap or putting out a bad product.this was out of there control & it looks like they are taking care of it thats a good company.
I would LOL ! I did. I had a Timbersled front end and i ate it in a few rides. Quality wasnt there back then and it was a matter of time before it fell off. Zbros is way better engineered than the Skinz. Just put them side by side and you will see the difference. It always sucks to be the guy with the inferior product especially when you dish out hard earned cash for something that really isn't well tested. JMO
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Here's what I think is going to happen but hey I've been wrong lots of times before. It will be determined that the 1/2" rod ends are too small and they will be upgraded to 5/8" which in fact is 56% larger, problem will be that the lower arms will also need to be rebuilt/replaced in order to accept the larger bore 5/8" end. I'm sorry but I don't believe for a second that it is a bad batch of rod ends, I mean think of the liability for the supplier company I am sure they are selling these things to a lot more companies than just Skinz.Bottom line, its a design flaw.
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MotoPsycho
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It is hilarious how far uninformed speculation can stray from actual facts... or sad, as the case may be.
That's true but it could be worse! It's not like skinz is going to sell less A-arms because of this since they aren't even taking orders again until late February. By then this will be all sorted out.
Easy guys....
Skinz, like Z Bros have tried to put out a product to improve the handling of these sleds for all of us, so we could finally ENJOY the Nytro's handling. They didn't price inferior, and they didn't diliberately build inferior.
It's how they handle this problem now that will count with me, and so far they are addressing it.
The arms aren't failing, the rod ends are, so if they can't make the 1/2" high misalignment rod ends work, then 5/8" will likely be used due to their inherent higher strength. I had a good look at my front end, and IMHO it doesn't look like a big deal if this becomes necessary, but it does take work!
Been to this party before. Equal components don't always work as equals. Sometime it all goes to h*ll and a handbasket.
And if they missed on the engineering, it's still how they handle it that counts, and I'll bet they will honor thier product.
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Skinz, like Z Bros have tried to put out a product to improve the handling of these sleds for all of us, so we could finally ENJOY the Nytro's handling. They didn't price inferior, and they didn't diliberately build inferior.
It's how they handle this problem now that will count with me, and so far they are addressing it.
The arms aren't failing, the rod ends are, so if they can't make the 1/2" high misalignment rod ends work, then 5/8" will likely be used due to their inherent higher strength. I had a good look at my front end, and IMHO it doesn't look like a big deal if this becomes necessary, but it does take work!
Been to this party before. Equal components don't always work as equals. Sometime it all goes to h*ll and a handbasket.
And if they missed on the engineering, it's still how they handle it that counts, and I'll bet they will honor thier product.
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MotoPsycho
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The key is that Skinz is not taking orders 'till February... so that they may fill orders of all of their dealers and distributors who ARE still taking orders.
Uninformed fodder is never good for ANY business, and frankly this thread is one of the MOST skewed I have seen in quite some time. Especially comments from folks who don't even own Nytros, and haven't even seen the kit yet, much less rode it
Uninformed fodder is never good for ANY business, and frankly this thread is one of the MOST skewed I have seen in quite some time. Especially comments from folks who don't even own Nytros, and haven't even seen the kit yet, much less rode it
There will always be a few Grenade tossers just looking for an opportunity to strike.
Don't take a look in the polaris forums... seems they are having problems with the Zbroz front ends on their sleds too...
Well this is news to me. Maybe they should revise their website to include the fact that if you want parts before then that you have to order from a dealer. What I took from their notice is that they do not have the manpower or material to keep up with demand so they are stopping ALL orders until February to catch up. I don't think I'm the only one who has came to the same conclusion.
I knew full well that these a arms were going to be in short supply this winter and was advised to order early. I opted to wait to hear feed back first before spending the money. After being burnt by the magical and revolutionary rapid bike 3, I have decided to no longer be an early adopter of new products.
I have no doubt in my mind this is a great product just like the airframes and bumper I just purchased. I'm sure this issue will be sorted out soon.
Guys....Parts break, it happens. Quailty control is not what it use to be. If you deal with the parts industry it gets harder all the time to buy good parts.
Last year I had the awesome Idea of running high-strength aluminum hiem joints on my timbersled front end. First stump I brushed sheared off the upper.
Here was the fix.....Box end wrench through the heim/bolt and then handle of wrench hose clamped to a-arm. 10 minute fix, Rode out 15 miles off trail. Eric
Last year I had the awesome Idea of running high-strength aluminum hiem joints on my timbersled front end. First stump I brushed sheared off the upper.
Here was the fix.....Box end wrench through the heim/bolt and then handle of wrench hose clamped to a-arm. 10 minute fix, Rode out 15 miles off trail. Eric
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TRUEBLUEMAX
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Wow this deal sure has sparked some debate. I have one of the front ends and I am not too worried about it. Everything that I have gotten from Skinz from the Air Frame running boards down to the tunnel bag I just got are amazingly built. Which would lead me to believe they are losing a lot of sleep over this deal.
I know with the work that I do on people's vehicles it is very upsetting to me when something is not right with a customer's car. I have no doubt that Skinz feels the same way right now.
It is nice to have Jeff around again this year setting people straight isn't it? He does it in such a diplomatic style
I know with the work that I do on people's vehicles it is very upsetting to me when something is not right with a customer's car. I have no doubt that Skinz feels the same way right now.
It is nice to have Jeff around again this year setting people straight isn't it? He does it in such a diplomatic style
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TRUEBLUEMAX
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Ya I read that a couple months ago. Meh, maybe I am the only one who thought that their new website notice meant they weren't making any new product that people hadnt already ordered until February. Good to know I can still get a a-arm kit sooner than later if I decide to get it over the zbroz.
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Trax 2 Treadz
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Skinz does have a plan in motion to handle this issue. If you have a kit and would like more information drop us a pm.
