This post just lost all credibility...I am a ski doo'r that switched to the Pro and we have owned the freeride and the pro and it isn't even comparable. Anyone that says the Freeride is a better ride than the pro doesn't know how to ride or rides some stupid terrain. We actually got rid of our freeride cheap cause it never got used anymore and whenever we rode it, it just didn't compare. Sorry.
Headed up to ride the new XM.
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This post just lost all credibility...I am a ski doo'r that switched to the Pro and we have owned the freeride and the pro and it isn't even comparable. Anyone that says the Freeride is a better ride than the pro doesn't know how to ride or rides some stupid terrain. We actually got rid of our freeride cheap cause it never got used anymore and whenever we rode it, it just didn't compare. Sorry.
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They are not going to have 12's there!
Thanks Matt. I have two rev summits and an XP and a Pro Poo. Love the Pro chassis. I do really like the poo clutching, invested in all the tools, and with fox evols, she rides. Also love the front durability on the Pro. Jury is out on the poo motor, the entire package is way easier to ride than the doos, but with less drama on the loud handle. I am on my second set of ejectors on the pro. I will not carry it another year once warranty is out. The etec has been flawless. Will try the XM, but will assuredly do another Pro for 13, too many parts invested, give the XM a year to mature. I have been doo's unpaid R&D team on three brand spanking new summit chassis/motors over the years. Won't be fooled again. But I do love the competition. No brand bias - I go commando.
Thanks man, I signed up.
Let me get this straight.....in order to have a valid opinion of a new sled, you cannot currently have a positive opinion of that brand or you are considered biased? So that means the Pro fans cant have a valid opinion of the 13 Pro if they currently like their older Pro??? This isnt making ANY sense.
The xm is not a Pro clone. It isnt supposed to be. It has different handling characteristics that require a different riding style. I have spent time on a pro and i cant stand it. That doesnt make it a bad sled, it just means i cant ride it. Just like the pro guys cant usually ride a xp. Its all about what you are used to. JMHO-
The xm is not a Pro clone. It isnt supposed to be. It has different handling characteristics that require a different riding style. I have spent time on a pro and i cant stand it. That doesnt make it a bad sled, it just means i cant ride it. Just like the pro guys cant usually ride a xp. Its all about what you are used to. JMHO-
X2. I haven't rode the 2013's. I have a pro and rode a 2012 xp. Very capable sled, I could go everywhere on it, but I felt like I had little technical control and I was very happy to get my pro back. It's good there is both brands and riders. Helps the sport go further. Good review Matte and ride the iron you like!!!
I haven't got a chance to ride the new XM. ( I have talked to some that have, sounds like a really good sled ) But I have ridden XP'S for several yrs, and ride a Pro now. As Brew stated, there different. This dosen't make one bad or good. It's also very hard to jump off of one that you ride all the time, and put 5 to 10 minutes on the other brand, and say that it's bad. Comparing is fun and fine, but different styles make different sleds fit different people. Its a great sport, and those of us that can keep from wearing colored under wear might just get great rides more often. Just my thoughts.
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Slick
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I think the colored underwear statement is the biggest factor involved in these demo rides. I haven't got to ride one yet but am looking forward to it. I wear black underwear, nondescript and hides skid marks well, so only issue is do i like it or not. Loved the Rev, liked the M8, can't stand the trail friendly XP, and love love the Pro (needs a few more ponies), haven't owned a 12 Doo but ridden a bit and its better. Sounds like the 13 Doo would be better but I'm afraid of reactionary changes that any brand makes, especially when it involves things that are seemingly so unpredictable and out of your control, and this teeter totter suspension and a track that folds up on the sides sounds kinda gimmicky. I want the sled to lean and react to my input easily when i decide, not when it gets past the tip over spot and my weight all of a sudden is transferred to the other side thru the 4 degree tilt and folded up track. Hope it works for Doo, only takes money too change.
PS. and an open mind, and i think there seems to be more money around than open minds. LOL.
PS. and an open mind, and i think there seems to be more money around than open minds. LOL.
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I'd have to say as far as point and shoot goes ski-doo is doing great. No one can take that from them. Back 5 to 10 years ago thats what impressed everyone then. Welcome to 2012 now its tree's and technical riding. It's not a game of hp anymore. Hoping the new t-motion works out great for ski-doo and i think it will definatly help with the more technical situations.
I do agree it is what you are used to. I really do not think there is a bad sled out there..only an execessively heavy one...(yamaha) but it has its place as well...My riding buddy has always rode ski doo..a rev for several years then an XP he snowchecked in 08...he tried riding my Polaris several times over the last several years but did not really like it...kept falling over. Swore by his ski doo being best. Last year he rented a Pro for a couple days when we were in Cooke....after awhile of getting used to it he snowchecked one this year. One of our other riding crew bought his XP. Now when he jumps on his old XP he says he cannot figure out what he saw in it...has to work alot harder to get it to do what he wants and does not like it. It is definatly what your riding style is used to. Hard to give a true opinion with just a couple hour ride when you are used to something else.
Curious as to why so many are comparing the XP to the Pro. The XM is the sled in comparison in this thread.
Sam
I would say because alot more people have riden the XP than the XM...and I do not see much difference in the chassis change other than the suspension this year. With the rider in basically the same position (forward) there cannot be a tremendous amount of difference. In my opinion it would still be front end heavy....they just keep trying to make it lay over easier.
Curious as to why so many are comparing the XP to the Pro. The XM is the sled in comparison in this thread.
Sam
I think what they are trying to lead to is that it is really tough to give a non-biased opinion after only a few hours. No matter what you ride. So it's not that they are comparing the XP to PRO right now, they are stating that a person who is used to an XP may love it and not like a PRO but if they gave the PRO a few days, they would love it. Could work the other way too. I don't think you really get to see the differences and what each sled brings to the table until you can get them all in the same place at the same time. That would be a place and a time I would like to be there for.
The biggest change on the XM is (IMO) not the tippy skid....time will tell if that is a joke or actually beneficial.
The best change is the rail profile and rear scissor angle to help it get on top and stay there by keeping the nose down and more controllable. This is the area where the pro shines! Doesn't take as much HP to propel a sled that's closer to the top of the snow.
Oh, and the goggle dryer....that's HUGE!
well said winter
all my buddies have changed out there stock xp skid for aftermarket
matte
thanks for the revue. sorry your catching some heat for it
i think some are trying to say if (and i say if i don't know you) you were already compfortable on the ski doo chassis(and like it) then your style/tec.
would lend it self positively to the XM automatically
BUT THATS OK EVERYBODY
sounds and looks like ski doo refinded the sled in some areas that will really make it work better any honest xp owner will tell you its come a long way since 08 and we ALL win when the bar gets pushed
i'm thinking a trade is in order polaris borrows the Etec
and in return they help doo loose some wieght
all my buddies have changed out there stock xp skid for aftermarket
matte
thanks for the revue. sorry your catching some heat for it
i think some are trying to say if (and i say if i don't know you) you were already compfortable on the ski doo chassis(and like it) then your style/tec.would lend it self positively to the XM automatically
BUT THATS OK EVERYBODY
sounds and looks like ski doo refinded the sled in some areas that will really make it work better any honest xp owner will tell you its come a long way since 08 and we ALL win when the bar gets pushed
i'm thinking a trade is in order polaris borrows the Etec
and in return they help doo loose some wieght
I shared this on FB with some of my buddies:
"My perspective is this. Ski Doo XM was an animal, it went straight into beast mode at the flick of the throttle. I felt like it wanted to yank my arms off. Two pulls with throttle punch up top and my forearms screamed. It layed down like a French whore, but there was an uneasiness about it. I was sure it was trying to give me the clap so I couldn't trust it. Response was quick as I cut some trees close and it went right where I wanted it to go. To dip downhill pow turns, you had to mount up way in the foot-wells or it didn't wanna bounce. I didn't really like being that forward downhill and I ride a forward sled now. The rider position shift seemed awkward, felt like I was walking a longboard (surfboard) to switch from uphill to downhill. I got off thinking "that was squirrelly." Funny someone else that rode it said the same thing.
Pro RMK was like a love that was always meant to be. I instantly connected. Within first two minutes, I felt like we'd been riding my whole life. Nice steady smooth throttle response, it just creped along a side-hill like it was on rails. Downhill turn bounce was on point. In the end it just felt comfortable and predictable. I rode a little more chopped up snow on the Pro so maybe the comparison wasn't as fair. I grilled two Pro-RMK guys out there, both said the same thing, they went from XP to Pro, and haven't looked back.
At this point I'm 95% convinced I'll go 2013 Pro-RMK, but previously that was 100% convinced. With the comfort I felt on the Pro, combined with snowcheck warranty, and antipating it would be ~$2k less than the Doo, the smart money seems to be on the Pro. The Doo did plant some thoughts in my brain, like if I tamed it, would I like it better? Will I miss that extra power? Plus, yesterday was all time pow, everything feels good in pow like that, thus who knows what the XM feels like on not so perfect conditions."
I'm just glad skidoo riders have a sled they actually like. Now when they get stuck and a poo climbs up and sidehills over to help dig them out they don't have an excuse 
How wide is it, I'll start there, if its not 31" or less at the front of the running boards I'm not interested (for my riding style) if it is I am very interested.
