Floats like a butterfly, stings like a bee.

[flying pig]

ok, so what you are saying is.............
if you want a sled that you can just ride and one that is dependable.
Don't buy a ski-doo??

when u guys find any sled that u can just pull rope on and ride I'll park my current mount and go back stock. They all need a pile of work. If you can't work on them either have a new one (which WILL break, its only a matter of time) with warranty so its the manufacturer/dealers problem or stop *****ing about it and learn what breaks, which parts u will need to carry, how to replace these parts and how to generaly fix the issue. Then stop b*tching about it.
*FACT-every sled I've ever owned has been towed home. Stock, mod, doo, poo or otherwise. Deal with the problem and find a solution. U baught a FACTORY MOD. 15 years ago you couldn't get a mountain specific machine. The ones that were upgraded were lighter, more powerful, and required tuning. The xp is lighter, not necessarily more powerful than all, but more than some; and requires tuning. DEAL WITH IT. I've got 20k or more into my mod and it still lets me down once in a while too. It happens. get over it guys. They are getting better, very quickly too!

 

[johnny be bad]

ok, so what you are saying is.............
if you want a sled that you can just ride and one that is dependable.
Don't buy a ski-doo??

not saying a doo aint reliable, ive had no major issues with mine, just you have to check belt deflection, thats all, is it a stupid design? oh ya,is there better systems out there? oh ya,should doo get better clutch systems? you bet. polaris has the best clutch out there, to bad doo couldnt copy it, there problems would be solved! and if you dont care about the high mark or weight, yammies probably the most reliable thing out there!

 

[christian]

Im choking on the popcorn!

 

[RMKRAZY]

Guess what I saw...

An XP towing out a Dragon(700) here in UT on SAT.

Ahhhh Internet hype - I don't buy a huge % of the BS. I only have a few rides on my new XP, but I love it. I've owned POL and CAT to this point in my riding life - I'm very impressed with my XP thus far. I don't regret the purchase one bit. Compared to what we used to have to do to sleds, this bit of tinkering is all part of the game! Some issues are stupid, and reliability should not be such a question (driveshaft) - but I'm confident my dealer will take care of me regardless of what BRP does.

 

[tranquillicer]

well thats funny about the phazer! the best my buddies nytro would do on the lake in 6inches of fresh was 107km and my xp passed him doing 140km. problem with people with the xp is they dont no how to tune it, its not a pull and go sled, you MUST check your belt deflecton every ride, some times 2-3 times well your riding! sorry it just the way it is, as for the xp! i love mine, probably the funnest sled ive ever owned!

Funny, but true!!! The biggest problem with performance on the XP is in the clutching and its both clutches.As you probably know last years clutch fix from Doo came in Nov.(after the season) and apparently chnges nothing, so that means that this years prblems have to be delt with by individuals with thier own cash and skills, same as last year. After Market guys are making a good living off crap like this and good for them, but you and I pay for it.
With out the extra work(Stock)the XP's are dead in any amount of depth and they should be doing 80+mph in 6" of snow not 60. Like I said, You got a good one!

 

[Billygoat]

i wont own a doo because i personally have had way too many problems with them.
i was towed out 3 times in 4 weeks due to motor failures!---both sleds were 100% stock
my dad was also towed out on his once and then had to fight ski-doo just to warranty the parts---100% stock sled

between my two cats i have over 4000 virtually trouble free miles! only problems i have had with them is the boondocker box wiring. and they still run...both were/are modified too.

 

[Turbo Tim]

haha the steel front ends on the nytro look like hollow tubing that is twisting and bending like no other maybe yamaha should have designed it out of aluminum and made it stronger.... 60 70 foot drops ^ on the nytro eh i didn't no pigs could fly id like to see a vid of this. and i am vector shouldn't you be riding a meadow some where?

Edit : I forgot to tell you that you're a Duba$$ P.O.D

Pigs doing drops LoL !
http://s45.photobucket.com/albums/f65/chad174/?action=view&current=bigdropcaleb.flv

Pigs flying

http://s264.photobucket.com/albums/ii176/galleygalley/?action=view&current=turny12-29-07018.flv

 

[rednecksledder]

all of this makes me very happy i still ride a 04 escape(never a problem)

 

[snowmanx]

Polaris fixing a problem?

I don't hate the XP. I hate the company that builds it.
Every other maker out there at least tries to fix a known problem.
Polaris has identified 3 problems with their 800 and is in the process of fixing them. BRP won't even acknoledge they have a problem, let alone fixed em. They had the same exact problems last year and have done nothing to fix the problems.

I think the new chassis looks goofy, but that is a cosmetic issue that can be changed with ease. The engine and drive train problems are a whole other issue. They don't seem to care if there is a problem as long as people keep buying their product.

I don't think Polaris is the best example....how many years have they had a problem with their cranks and still don't own up to it???

I had the oppurtunity to ride a XP and it flat out hauls...no other stock machine that will keep up with it..if I were buying a new sled, it would be the XP.

It would be interesting to see how many failures there actually are and what percentage of all sales they are having issues, is it really any more than any other manufacture(besides yammaha). I bet not, why do you see it more..because there are so many more out there, simple as that. 10 years ago in my riding area I was the only one on doo, now about 3/4 of all sleds up there appear to be doos. (By the way I am riding a AC based engine)

Is the marketing good...probably, but no better than Arctic cats, so why do they sell more, because they work, in spite of the apparent problems. People have hopped over to the DOO side because what they have had in the past wasn't able to keep up with BPR's new chassis. Doo has gotten to be number one in the market because right NOW they are the best stock sled out there, PERIOD!

Do they have there issues, it looks like it, but not unlike any other company out there( again, maybe with the exception of yamaha, but they don't have a 2 stroke).

With that said, would I buy one? If I wanted a stock machine, absolutely. But the fact is I will probably buy a Arctic cat because I plan to turbo in the future.

 

[johnny be bad]

I don't think Polaris is the best example....how many years have they had a problem with their cranks and still don't own up to it???

I had the oppurtunity to ride a XP and it flat out hauls...no other stock machine that will keep up with it..if I were buying a new sled, it would be the XP.

It would be interesting to see how many failures there actually are and what percentage of all sales they are having issues, is it really any more than any other manufacture(besides yammaha). I bet not, why do you see it more..because there are so many more out there, simple as that. 10 years ago in my riding area I was the only one on doo, now about 3/4 of all sleds up there appear to be doos. (By the way I am riding a AC based engine)

Is the marketing good...probably, but no better than Arctic cats, so why do they sell more, because they work, in spite of the apparent problems. People have hopped over to the DOO side because what they have had in the past wasn't able to keep up with BPR's new chassis. Doo has gotten to be number one in the market because right NOW they are the best stock sled out there, PERIOD!

Do they have there issues, it looks like it, but not unlike any other company out there( again, maybe with the exception of yamaha, but they don't have a 2 stroke).

With that said, would I buy one? If I wanted a stock machine, absolutely. But the fact is I will probably buy a Arctic cat because I plan to turbo in the future.

the last stat i seen said skidoo has 55% of world sled sales! now dont no how the 45% is divided between the others? but do the math if doo owns over 50% of market, you should see more coming out on the hook, there over a 2 to 1 ratio! or if you divide against the other 3 = over 6 to 1 ratio! now dont get me wrong, theres no excuse for bad clutches, etc, just because you have the big share!

 

[high time]

If that's your math, then

then the problem's a lot bigger than anyone thinks, 'cause there sure isn't that many on the snow. Too bad , so sad!

I'm riding a cheaper sled that will kick any XP's azz. It was made in '03 and is way more powerfull and way more dependable. You'd think things would get better not worse.

Owen

 

[MARV1]

Doo's 2-1 ratio over the rest of them? LMFAO! Now that is funny chit right there. If so then where are they? My guess BRP bought them all and they are sitting in their warehouse being worked on again, and again, and again. . . Several guys in my area bought new sleds this year, 10 Poos, 1 Doo, 1 Yammi, 2 Cats. Sorry Doo guys, keep living the lie and you start to believe it.

 

[PooSlinger]

This thread is entertaining.

BRP is definitely up to their old tricks when it comes to fixing things. That's why it took them 4 seasons to get some rings in the 600 SDI that would last longer than 1000 miles. All the while, they were claiming "There's no ring problem!" It's the same thing now with the 800r motor, the clutches, and the pop-can driveshafts. The BRP marketing operatives are over on Dootalk throwing around phrases like "internet hype." Now, if I owned an XP and was having problems, then some a$$-hat from the manufacturer came on saying I was full of schmidt, I'd be mighty inclined to buy a different brand next year... But instead, half of the internet population defends them vehemently.

This is like a soap opera for dudes.

 

[Ollie]

This thread is entertaining.
This is like a soap opera for dudes.

lmao!!

Now that is a true statement.

 

[johnny be bad]

Doo's 2-1 ratio over the rest of them? LMFAO! Now that is funny chit right there. If so then where are they? My guess BRP bought them all and they are sitting in their warehouse being worked on again, and again, and again. . . Several guys in my area bought new sleds this year, 10 Poos, 1 Doo, 1 Yammi, 2 Cats. Sorry Doo guys, keep living the lie and you start to believe it.

holy 14 new sleds! glad to see you have the world market in your neck of the woods! lmfao. sorry to bust your bubble, but the world doesnt revolve around hickville.

 

[Fr8tdog]

Ur a F@cking idiot, Johnny.....

 

[johnny be bad]

Ur a F@cking idiot, Johnny.....

right back at ya!

 

[sumX08az]

As far as it's the first year bugs, that's what we were saying about the XRS last year. The bugs go on and on.
What is the best? Well I'm sure an XP is for the guy who gets all the bugs out. Good luck to him, I'm not going to be that guy. I'll ride just about anything else.

Owen

2 BAD- to miss out on this much fun, 'cause of internet hype BS!
Sounds like the evenin' news around here- I ain't skeered!

 

[sumX08az]

LOL where is the popcorn.

it doesnt matter what you have or what ur buddy has as long as you are having a good weekend and you are not broken down your good to go..

and umm my Nytro for being stock, will not buckle and i will do 60 70 ft droops wiht it, i have it trees wiht it, and i DO NOT baby it.

everyone i ride with owns a skidoo and thats alot of ppl, sure there is the few AC POL in the group, and well we do all have our little problems, but iam not being that d!<k in here. but i would have to say everytiem we go out the Ski-doos seem to be the ones breaking down. its just bad luck is what that is, and really i dont like seeing it cuz it wrecks my weekend as well cuz either iam driving or iam wiht them, so either way we are all screwed..

I think that proves a few points made here about numbers and percentages.
Most of the people I ride with have AC's and it's usually a Cat that breaks I've towed in a couple of them. Good sleds, and I love to give them grief about "buying a POO(got 2) if you like to ride, buy a Cat if you like to work on it."
Sleds break, especially if you ride them. I would have still bought an M8 if
there wasn't an XP Summitthis year. For me there was no other choice in '08, and
after 500+ miles it's
looking like one of the best moves I ever made. Luv'nit!

 

[sumX08az]

then the problem's a lot bigger than anyone thinks, 'cause there sure isn't that many on the snow. Too bad , so sad!

I'm riding a cheaper sled that will kick any XP's azz. It was made in '03 and is way more powerfull and way more dependable. You'd think things would get better not worse.

Owen