Finally got to ride a turbo'd Apex

[Sapling-Thrasher]

For the guys that are skeptical of how much these things cost here it is!!

This doesn't include install cost on the turbo kit. You would add $1,500 to $2,000 in labor to this. I also built all of this my self except the rods/pistons. No labor is in this total for the build of the chassis.



2007 Red Apex Mountain SE Includes fox floats $9,500.00
Powder Lites stage 2 front mount turbo kit
28RS set up to run 17-20 lbs of boost $7,000.00
Carrillo rods and JE 10.1-1 pistons including
install by Outlaw $3,200.00
Battery relocation kit $325.00
Hood (one piece) $450.00
Windshield $80.00
Auto meter 30 PSI mechanical
gauge with white face $75.00
AEM A/F gauge set up $299.00
Turbo smart boost controller $86.00
Gauge brackets for boost, A/F gauge and
relocation of stock gauge (comes with kit) $0.00
Misc SLP vents for hood and cowling $50.00
Parker boost memory gauge $20.00
Parker knock box $400.00
VE racing tunnel powder coated with
cooler and gas rack. D&R installed $2,800.00

Timber sled front end kit $900.00
Powder coating of front end kit
and rails on main skid $100.00
EZ ryde rear skid with zero pro shocks
with black main bar $2,440.00
GYTR front clicker shocks and mounting
hardware $650.00
Boss seat all black $550.00
Decals and hood paint $450.00
Simmons skis $350.00
Challenger Extreme track $610.00
Misc tools and tubing, bolts, spacers,
sheet goods for heat shields etc……. $200.00
Ice scratchers $60.00
Clutch parts springs/supertips $400.00
Avid CNC drivers 7T 3.0 pitch $268.00

Sub Total $31,263.00
WSST Taxes @ 8.9% $2,782.41
TOTAL $34,045.41

ok that hurt!!!

 

[BOOSTBONER]

agreed sappling!

 

[HYFLYR]

Sapling you definetly went big on yours, i like it.

It can be done for half this price easily. You can pick up used apexs now for just a touch over 6k around here. Another 6 or 7 for a turbo and misc, parts and whalla, your boosted for the same price as a new M1000.

 

[RX1Guy]

Not as expensive? Easy to say. Harder to prove. Look in the yami section of the swap and tell me how many turboed sleds you see for under 16 grand. Not many.

mine is 10k OBO. much less than 16 grand. Yes its an RX1, but boost is boost.

Or you could buy a used Apex from Sledskiing. ive seen him selling them for 7000 dollars. Put a 6k mcx turbo on it, plus 500 labor and you are only at about 15000 with the other extras you need. Seeing as how many new sleds are going for 11k-12k, 15000 isnt much more for what you get.

 

[sledskiing]

MCXpress kits this year are $7800. Over a $1k increase from last year. Yikes

 

[rotax]

when stuck, a near stock wt tpex IS heavier and noticeably so when compared to my/a Rev (using that for comparison, since thats what i have experiance with)... dont care who your tryin to fool/convince.

150 lbs (or w/e # u wanna pick) is a 150 lbs...

a lot of times i'll unstick / pull the front end around / roll my rev unstuck alone..
pulling a 4s around the same way with 2 guys feels "harder to do" to me, than mine alone.

i may seem to be bashing 4s, but i honestly have been considering a nytro... so i'm really not h8ing...
yes, this is personal experience, so i guess it could be opinion...but its what i notice.


now, its a diff story when ON the throttle and ON boost....yeah its like no other experience, and reliable to boot..

but you won't convince me that the weight is not noticeable..or that its not there..

but lifting the rear end of the tpex in the trailer wasn't too bad! its the front end wt that "I" do notice..

 

[chazzer]

I can't leave this one alone....this is my fist year on a boost 4-stroke. I spent all of last year grinning from ear to ear with a BD Turbo M7 loving every minute of it. After boondocking in the deep (the only reason we ride) with my Apex (Gar 2871 with Simmons Gen 2 skis) I have fallen in love. Those who have posted in the past mentioning how well-balanced the Apex is aren't blowing smoke. It is by far the funnest boondocking sled I have been around thus far. The only occasional issue is that it definitely likes to "point for the sky" when heading uphill from a dead stop - the higher the boost, the higher the "point."

For anyone that didn't see my quick video post, skim through and you'll see a bit of boondocking on an Apex - this was my 3rd ride on the Apex in deep snow....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWe-tM4AyU8

Dude! Nice video, but that is not boondocking........IMO. You're on and open hill with a couple of tree's in the middle of it. If you look to the side of your video screen and see all those trees, drive your 4 stroke in there and do some real boondocking. Get that thing in the tree's and see how well you like your 4 stroke.

I said it before, they are really nice on an open climb but when you have to do some 'REAL' boondocking through the trees to get to the honey hole. You're going to have a co(ksucker of a time with 400+ pounds riding on your skies. Not to mention the other 300 out back.

Chaz

 

[up-high]

You think a Tapex can't go in the trees? Have you ridden one in the trees?

 

[BigFish BC]

Dude! Nice video, but that is not boondocking........IMO. You're on and open hill with a couple of tree's in the middle of it. If you look to the side of your video screen and see all those trees, drive your 4 stroke in there and do some real boondocking. Get that thing in the tree's and see how well you like your 4 stroke.

I said it before, they are really nice on an open climb but when you have to do some 'REAL' boondocking through the trees to get to the honey hole. You're going to have a co(ksucker of a time with 400+ pounds riding on your skies. Not to mention the other 300 out back.

Chaz

wow here we go again i did not know yammi was adding weight to them.it is obvious by your post you have not ridden with one were i ride it is as thick as it is anywhere coastal forest & i dont have any probs going where everybody else does none nada ,zip, zero mabey its just the rider.

 

[Viper5]

My brother-inlaw has a sc Apex, the only trouble he has, is when the tree's are closer together that the width of the sled

 

[Slick]

What a bunch of BS some of you guys spew. We ride boosted Apex's with all our Rev and Dragon buddies in the trees in the hills and in the meadows. I don't know where this can't ride in the trees crap comes from, but its bull. I think some you guys are looking for a reason that you didn't buy an Apex or want to save the $$$$ boost costs. If so, pick a different story, this ones getting tired, and its a crock.

 

[Turbo Tim]

What a bunch of BS some of you guys spew. We ride boosted Apex's with all our Rev and Dragon buddies in the trees in the hills and in the meadows. I don't know where this can't ride in the trees crap comes from, but its bull. I think some you guys are looking for a reason that you didn't buy an Apex or want to save the $$$$ boost costs. If so, pick a different story, this ones getting tired, and its a crock.

co signed . My 4 stroke yammi weighs less than 570 full of gas ready to ride .......put that in your pipe and smoke it .

 

[chazzer]

wow here we go again i did not know yammi was adding weight to them.it is obvious by your post you have not ridden with one were i ride it is as thick as it is anywhere coastal forest & i dont have any probs going where everybody else does none nada ,zip, zero mabey its just the rider.

Sorry dude!

Added 3.5 lbs to the apex full of gas. I think I said an even 700 lbs wet weight for the apex MTX. Don't believe me......Here!

http://www.xpcblog.com/ Just scroll down and you can see what i'm talking about.

I ride with a guy who has one, stock. I like the yammies, alot! The only thing is their weight. Power is good, handling good, ergo's good, but that weight in the front end is hard to get used to. When going slow through the trees I find that it likes to dive in the front end, I notice the weight alot when going slow but when on the gas it all goes away.

But comming of an XP there is alot of weight difference (170 lbs, I think).

Chaz

 

[MARCUSO]

I still enjoy my 2 stroke..

It gets me anywhere I want, and even into and out of places I would ever want. some of the peeps I rode with can attest to that.

But to say that an extra 100 pounds+ when it is stuck... STUCK... not a tug to the skis but in a hole.. the HP is not the miracle like "Why not" says:

I did get stuck a few times and if I am going to be honest, I could not tell the difference in weight. For one thing even when it's really stuck, it takes about an 8th of the digging and lifting a normal sled takes because it makes track speed so fast just a little pull and some feathering on the throttle and up and out it would go.

OK take that in your pipe.. and smoke it...LOL

When you dig to China, lighter is better. PERIOD...sorry/

 

[zebiraross]

Dude! Nice video, but that is not boondocking........IMO. You're on and open hill with a couple of tree's in the middle of it. If you look to the side of your video screen and see all those trees, drive your 4 stroke in there and do some real boondocking. Get that thing in the tree's and see how well you like your 4 stroke.

I said it before, they are really nice on an open climb but when you have to do some 'REAL' boondocking through the trees to get to the honey hole. You're going to have a co(ksucker of a time with 400+ pounds riding on your skies. Not to mention the other 300 out back.

Chaz

We went through all those trees you are talking about after filming. Kind of hard to get that on video. We'll hit any "real" boondocking that you will do, then when we get to the honeyhole (by that I hope you mean a decent hill and smoke you up it to). Even my rx1ton does good in the trees IMO. We both come off good running lightweight 2 stroke turbo's so we know both sides to the story.

 

[APEXed West]

I am on my third season on my STOCK APEX and I love it !!! I ride with a Dragon 700, 900 CATS, M-8'S, M-7'S and have absolutely no trouble going anywhere the group wants to go. Love the way the APEX floats in the powder, love the turbine smooth engine, the quiet, the comfort, ride, handling.

As far as boondocking, there is no where I can't get my APEX into that I want to go, and a lot of places that after I am there I think I shouldn't have gone.

It all comes down to what you like, and I have gotten past the "Keep up with the Jones'", I don't care how much you spend on a sled, someone somewhere will have more power, a lighter chassis, more traction etc. Just enjoy what you have and realize, it would be damn boring if we all rode the same machines.

Also, I have spent more time helping others get unstuck than getting myself unstuck, and unless you are Hurculese, they are all heavy when burried in 3-4' of soft snow. We don't keep score and split among the 2-3 people, the weight differences in sleds becomes negligable and we all have fun.

 

[deaner]

Im afraid to even try a turboed yammi because I know the second I pull the trigger on 260 reliable horsepower..........my 800R is going to feel like a moped. Yeah it comes with a little extra wieght, but I think the reliability, hp potential, and other positive aspects of the yamahas more than make up for this. I guess it depends what you are into. I tried a bone stock apex last season for the first time and I was amazed at how light it felt........until I started jumping it. For boondocking and climbing I dont think the wieght is that big of a deal, especially if you are adding some extra ponies. I sure noticed a difference when jumping and dropping with it though. That being said, Im sure I will be on a Yammi within the next year or two.

 

[xlr8r]

Agreed

co signed . My 4 stroke yammi weighs less than 570 full of gas ready to ride .......put that in your pipe and smoke it .

As Zeb and others have mentioned here, I just don't understand the "logic."

2 Points:

1-How fast can anyone realistically go through off-cambered tight trees?
2-Am I crazy or is the funnest part of sledding carving in and out of wide-spaced trees at mach-looney AFTER boondocking through the tight groves to get there?

As Zeb mentioned, we ride through the "tight" trees to get to the real riding - not one person (4-stroke or 2) has had issues riding through the trees getting to the real riding - once they get to the real riding, all, at some point or another, have complained that they needed more track speed in the steep and deep.....that is until they picked up a boosted 2 or 4 stroke.

If it's your preference, keep hiding in the tight trees and leave all the steep and deep to us.

 

[SLY]

Tight trees...tight trees...tight trees. That's all I ever hear from the naysayers. My sled will go through that crap as well as any other sled with less power and weight. Who want's to ride in that garbage anyway? The real riding is when you can get on your throttle, plane it up and carve the sled around anywhere you want and pull the skis in the air at will. Lot's of us have discovered that already, the rest just keep burying their heads in the snow. I've let a few guys take my sled for a rip and have yet to have anyone tell me it was too heavy for them, all they talk about is the power and how well it handles. I am running an MCX Nytro this year and I really don't see a lot of difference weight-wise with most of the other sleds out there. As well as a turbo, I went with Timbersled suspension, which improved the handling and as a bonus knocked almost 50lbs off. So, with the exception of a Skidoo XP, I don't think it's any heavier than anything else out there. Yes, I've ridden an XP and it don't handle anywhere near as good as this Nytro, or my son's Apex with the same suspension setup. Keep dreaming.

 

[Sapling-Thrasher]

Why do you guys keep trying to talk the nay sayers into riding a Yamaha! The people that ride them know, the people that have not ridden them think they know!!!!

Last thing we need is a bunch of idiots on 300 hp machines that handle like a dream!!!!!


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