Cutting Outer edge off ski?? anyone?

[wildcard28]

Hello after doing some thread reading and research on the ski cutouts on Pilot ski, and doing some measureing to where the carbides set on the stock skis vs the pilots I found the pilots in the inward offset position actually put the carbides closer together , kinda like having the ski stance narrower or the pilot point narrower, since they were previously swapped and a few inchs cut off the back of the ski and reshaped along with the big cutout I have on them I`m sure for what I have this is going to be the better way to go..

Here is a pic

Wildcard

 

[PJ-Hunter]

Just saw this: oops

FYI, it wasn't BR's idea. I know that D. Facey of Xtreme has been doing it at least 3 seasons.

Now, I have an 09 XP that I am going to narrow up to match the 2012 front end dimensions and I have the SLP Powder Pros. Has somebody done this to the XPs and how did you like the results?

 

[NapaMatt]

ANY new pics of CUT skies???????????????????????

TTT

 

[LRD]

I did it on my my XP two seasons ago. Cut my PowderHounds down an inch from the spindle bolts to the tails. Also cut out my skid plate under the A-Arms also. It made a big difference on my sled. But part of it is that my sled only weighs 365 lbs dry, a long track TNT with lots of Ti and other parts. A lot less weight trying to push the uphill ski down, just liked to float. From what other guys have done will likely make another angle cut back at the tails to make them smaller.

Good Luck

PS My thinking on cutting out my skid plate under the a-arms is this, Cat has done that forever and guys have said forever that Cats sidehill easy. Also had some feedback from a friend whose skid plate came off his XP in the mtns and he rode without it for the last few days. "He said whole bunch easier to sidehill."

 

[wildcard28]

Hello after doing some thread reading and research on the ski cutouts on Pilot ski, and doing some measureing to where the carbides set on the stock skis vs the pilots I found the pilots in the inward offset position actually put the carbides closer together , kinda like having the ski stance narrower or the pilot point narrower, since they were previously swapped and a few inchs cut off the back of the ski and reshaped along with the big cutout I have on them I`m sure for what I have this is going to be the better way to go..

Here is a pic

Wildcard

Hello, I was also going to cut out my skid plate like others on here have mentioned but I just decided to remove it so I don`t cut up a good Part,Which I know don`t make alot of sence since we are already cutting up skis and those aren`t Cheap, LOL.

My luck when I`ve hit stuff before the plate didn`t really protect anything any way still bent a couple things up and the skid plate flexed along with everything else, so I really don`t see a need for it, I have also since last post did a pod filter mod, Oil Injection Delete and Done some more venting to the side covers sides and rear, and Steering Post Forward Mod, Softened the front shocks and loosened the Limiter strap. and finally trimmed and back of the side panels for more forward feet position, All this I can`t wait to ride it and feel how well I Hope it handles better.

Wildcard

 

[NapaMatt]

TTT

 

[GUNGA GALUNGA]

rode with him...he liked it.

Thinking about doing this to my grippers on the dragon...good thread Matt

Thanks. Did he do the mild or wild cut? I am a little nervous about messing up the new grippers.

 

[volcano buster]

How much does cutting the ski inhibit the use of Reverse in deeper snow?

 

[LRD]

Not the skis stopping reverse in powder on my sled, rear end goes down and flap goes under rear end. Only thing that will likely back up at all in powder is a Skandic Tundra, it has rails that articulate the rear axle up when you back up. http://www.snowmobile.com/manufacturers/ski-doo/2011-skidoo-skandic-tundra-xtreme-review-1282.html

Good Luck

 

[NapaMatt]

TTT

I didn't have any trouble in rev. but only use that during loading unloading sled

 

[Goinboardin]

I've narrowed my ski stance, that helped. Now I'm going to try this out. Always looking for ways to improve the handling of the old boat. Tomorrow's little project. Sled is a Poo Edge 800 with Grippers. I'll post a few pics of the result.

Update: Cut a chunk off, went for a road ride, no chances to side hill or really test this out. Absolutely no difference just running down a flat trail. I suspect I'll take more off near the spindle, as I didn't really remove that much near there, and it seems to me that would have the greatest impact. Anyway, here's a pic.

 

[Summit8]

NICE!!! YAWN!!!

 

[miko700]

I havent done my pro yet...but i did my 06 700 poo with powder pros....i absolutely noticed an improvement in sidehilling and noticed no drawbacks in any other facets of riding........

 

[sledneck_03]

Pic of my spring snow modded Grippers.
BB

I really like the look of that cut. May try that my self.

Call me crazy but i found my edge x with a 136 and wide stance with a trail ski i could hold a side hill all day in less than 12" of fresh, i could side hill the side of the highway forever where my iq if i hit a old track or something i had to really get into it to grt side hilling again. If i find my pro doing that im cutting up my skis.

 

[Team Pigeon]

The goal of cutting the ski is to lessen the grab/drag factor the tail of the ski has while counter steering.

Take your bars, turn them left. Look at how the right hand ski sticks out like a sore thumb. Now eyeball up the general line of the side panel/ running board. Transfer this eyeball line to your ski 4-6 inches back from the spindle following this line to about 2 inches from the inner edge of the ski. Double check you're line don't do over carbide.

Now cut it all off.

Takes about 3 seconds to do with a makita skilsaw. If you're not a carpenter, use a Makita 5" grinder.

 

[wildcard28]

cool thread.

has anyone did this mod or any other to a set of Simmons Gen 1`s??

I have a thread askin about Pilot DS2 skis vs Poo Grippers and get some answere there before I purchase either set but I have modded 6.9 pilots on my sled but they are Yellow and I just did a complete color change and don`t want the yellow marble skis anymore and would like to go to a better manuevering ski

My sled is already pretty light and has 37inch front end and XP/Tmotion rear skid.

I also on my S chassis sled have a good pair of Simmons Gen 1 skis that are all black which is what I like about them and have temperarily put them on the sled for pic purposes.

I rode them once on my rev in hard spring snow and they trail handled great and floated well but nevery had them in any technical type riding they were harder to turn in setup snow at low speeds also and if I could mod them to perform well I would put them on till I get what ever would be better.

my riding buddy has a identical set on his mod tripple S chassis w/ 162x16 track sled and he loves them and can ride them anywhere course he is a Much better and more experience rider than I and he can take that older chassis just about anywhere I have seen a newer tech sled go and it dyno`s with the mod tripple at 190+hp awesome sled

Please post any pic or mods you have done to some Gen 1`s

I have pic on here of what I have already done to the Pilots and they seem to work good, I could just get or trade for a another set of Pilots and redo my mods again, lol

Thanks, Wildcard

 

[Reeb]

No disrespect WC, cuz I've loved following your thread and I think what you started with for a Rev, versus what you have is an amazing difference, however.....if I had no legs and was strapped to the seat of your sled, I could still flop it over. The front suspension, the rear suspension, the track, 2-wheel kit, side panels cutout, the skis, I never had any of that on my 06-07 Rev's and I NEVER had a problem in any type of snow getting these sleds to do what I wanted. Now please do not take this the wrong way....

There comes a time when you have to stop looking to the sled for answers, and just get out there and make yourself a better rider.

Honestly, what is going to happen when you upgrade? Experience cures all of these issues you are addressing with your mods(and many other people and their mods.) You'll notice the most experienced(and therefore best) riders can jump on pretty much any sled, regardless of modifications, and ride it to the sleds potential. I think, we over-think this aspect way too much, trying to find shortcuts for everything. Like most things in life, experience is what pays dividends, so get out there and get some snow under those skis instead of worrying about what ski to mount on what side, and where to cut your ski off.

If I had your sled, I would think it was a jet-ski just on how you have it now. My '06 had Simmons Gen 1 skis on it, stock ski width, swaybar removed, and I cannot say I ever had any issues you seem to struggle with. Experience, I just can't stress that enough I guess.

 

[wildcard28]

Thanks for the reply Reeb and the honesty and the compliments on my sled I feel ya and get what you are saying not the first time I have heard the same an fully understand my riding buddy pushes me to just get on and do it like you suggested also, I know I need to just go ride it and figure it out finding balance points, when and where to throttle or countersteer. yes I know I am not a amatuer rider and do have many years of rideing and learn more and more each ride but I guess the hardest maneuver for me is the downhill turn around and getting turned back up hill goin slow in offcamber situations just feel my skis just keep pushing down hill and won`t bite to turn me no matter how much I am leaning off the sled, I would get the sled just starting to lay over and before I did the mods to my Pilots If I would lay it over and lay into the throttle the skis just would not bite and when I hit the throttle it would shoot me back on both skis headed farther downhill,

I purchased one of the Schooled Videos and that really puts thing in a new perspective and am excited to go try them out which is what I am going to do I have pushed my limits pretty good for the last couple seasons and am in a different class of riders now, I remember a few years back when we would be out riding and I would tell my buddy I`m not going down into there, Lol and now seems he is the one following me in. and I`m not nervous about getting stuck I stick on purpose many times just to practice techniques to get out myself.
I know the cutouts I did on the pilots did help when climbing and turning out cold hold the sidehill on the turnaround rather than the hillside skis creating lift sorta speak and pointing ya back down the hill or feelin like I was getting tipped over to the downhill side, so was just curious to how much better this and holding a sidehill the DS2 or Gipper ski would perform in these situations kinda like what this Thread is all about.

I have done the downhill turn around at times just not in total control as practice should help, I am just lookin for the somewhat most likeable mods everyone has experience with on there sleds and what ever takes away some of the struggle to technical riding, I have owned a few other chassis`s before this sled and learned pretty good on each one so this one is my most exciting sled and Mostly the biggest reason I liking to add most all these mods is cause I can`t leave anything stock and just love workin on my toys whether its my 1928 Ford Model A Coupe streetrod I ground up built in 1997 and still own or The 71` Challenger I totaly restored and sold 3yrs ago (went to Australia) all the way back to my first vehicle I ever owned and had to build it from a cab on a frame to a driving custom truck in under a year in highschool by time I was 16yrs old had the truck ready to drive 6months before I got my drivers liscence and it eventually turned into a chopped, lowered, front and rear rollpans, shaved handles, frenched antenna, corvette 327,muncie 4spd etc... and owned it for 15yrs.

Anyway my sled is an awesome handlin sled and I am learning it pretty good just like to improve anything.

Thanks You, Wildcard

 

[Reeb]

Yeah sorry for singling you out, not my intention. Just kinda had a bad day and had to say something maybe.

We all learn differently, and at a different pace. I sometimes don't take into consideration that not everyone sees things the way I do.

For myself, regarding the downhill turn, I had to do it out of necessity. That's when I first started doing it, and it wasn't a known "move" back then, it was just something you pulled to get out of a sticky situation. Learn that badboy on a late 90's sled and you basically have it mastered for life! Haha

Now that we do it, and practice it regularly, it's become much more of a 'second nature' type of move for me, regardless of sled. Now don't get me wrong, I don't always pull it off, but my commitment is usually to blame when I don't. That is usually the word that comes up when I'm teaching this move on the hill, commitment. If you half-*** it, you'll never pull it off. When you commit fully, that's more than half the battle.

 

[NapaMatt]

Keep the ideas coming!!

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