Connecticut School Shooting...What is wrong with people!

[mtsummitx]

I was going to stay out of this discussion because I know it is going to be a gun debate. And those of you who have read some of my other posts know I am pretty touchy on that subject I don't believe this should be a gun debate, I believe that this should be a parenting debate. Now I won't pretend to know how this kid was raised, but I do believe that alot of what is wrong with this world today is due to the demise of parenting, and teaching children "the golden rule". I have said for years that I think alot of the problems with younger generations (I know I fall into that category), and children now days is due to the "I'm not going to raise or treat my children how my parents raised or treated me" attitude. Which over generations has caused looser rules and morals to help guide children and milder punishments for children when they do wrong. Which in my opinion has caused our society to be filled with a bunch of people who are not scared of consequences for their actions because they have never faced any in the past. My dad was fairly strict with me, and I will admit once I grew up, for a time I said to myself, when I have kids I'm not going to be as strict as my father. But then I became a dad and everything came into perspective, and guess what, I am now my dad. Maybe even a little stricter. But I am glad, because I always get compliments on how well behaved and well mannered my son is. Makes me proud. I know there are cases that no matter how someone was raised, some people are just simply bad. But I do truely believe that the path a person takes through the rest of their life, begins with their up bringing. IMHO

 

[mold]

I was going to stay out of this discussion because I know it is going to be a gun debate. And those of you who have read some of my other posts know I am pretty touchy on that subject I don't believe this should be a gun debate, I believe that this should be a parenting debate. Now I won't pretend to know how this kid was raised, but I do believe that alot of what is wrong with this world today is due to the demise of parenting, and teaching children "the golden rule". I have said for years that I think alot of the problems with younger generations (I know I fall into that category), and children now days is due to the "I'm not going to raise or treat my children how my parents raised or treated me" attitude. Which over generations has caused looser rules and morals to help guide children and milder punishments for children when they do wrong. Which in my opinion has caused our society to be filled with a bunch of people who are not scared of consequences for their actions because they have never faced any in the past. My dad was fairly strict with me, and I will admit once I grew up, for a time I said to myself, when I have kids I'm not going to be as strict as my father. But then I became a dad and everything came into perspective, and guess what, I am now my dad. Maybe even a little stricter. But I am glad, because I always get compliments on how well behaved and well mannered my son is. Makes me proud. I know there are cases that no matter how someone was raised, some people are just simply bad. But I do truely believe that the path a person takes through the rest of their life, begins with their up bringing. IMHO

Not bad thinking for a young whippersnapper.

 

[Super A]

"if everyone had a gun this would not have happened" For once can we please get past this rediculously weak argument. That would only hold true in a world where the killer wore a hat with a neon flashing target on it and i am sure at the end the hat would have more holes in it then the shooter. Not to mention everyone within an arm reach of the killer.
I truly hope something happens as a result of this latest tregady.

Presently, 17 states regulate private firearm sales at gun shows. Seven states require background checks on all gun sales at gun shows (California, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Oregon, New York, Illinois and Colorado). Four states (Hawaii, Maryland, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania) require background checks on all handgun, but not long gun, purchasers at gun shows. Six states require individuals to obtain a permit to purchase handguns that involves a background check (Massachusetts, Michigan, North Carolina, Iowa, Nebraska). Certain counties in Florida require background checks on all private sales of handguns at gun shows. The remaining 33 states do not restrict private, intrastate sales of firearms at gun shows in any manner

and just because it involve my local area and it is a large gun show because of my states long history of hunting and ranching in the area

In 2003 and 2004, the San Francisco ATF Field Division conducted six general operations at Reno, Nevada, gun shows to investigate interstate firearms trafficking. During these operations, "agents purchased firearms and identified violations related to "off paper" sales, sales to out-of-state residents, and dealing in firearms without a license." The "ATF seized or purchased 400 firearms before making arrests and executing search warrants, which resulted in the seizure of an additional 600 firearms and the recovery of explosives."

As everyone has said before getting rid of all gun will not fix anything and really is out of the question considering this countries heritage. I have heard a lot of me me me concerning rights and not a lot of us us us concerning the sociaty that we are all apart of. I think somewhere in there lies the problem

But the guns that were used in this school shooting, were legally purchased, by the shooters mother. More gun laws only effect law abiding citizens. We currently have a culture where everyone knows their rights, but very few understand their responsibilities. You have a right to own guns, you have a responsibility to keep those guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't
have guns. (Kids, felons, mentally unfit).

What a dark day, this has been for this country.

A

 

[aebsledder]

Thank you!

I was going to stay out of this discussion because I know it is going to be a gun debate. And those of you who have read some of my other posts know I am pretty touchy on that subject I don't believe this should be a gun debate, I believe that this should be a parenting debate. Now I won't pretend to know how this kid was raised, but I do believe that alot of what is wrong with this world today is due to the demise of parenting, and teaching children "the golden rule". I have said for years that I think alot of the problems with younger generations (I know I fall into that category), and children now days is due to the "I'm not going to raise or treat my children how my parents raised or treated me" attitude. Which over generations has caused looser rules and morals to help guide children and milder punishments for children when they do wrong. Which in my opinion has caused our society to be filled with a bunch of people who are not scared of consequences for their actions because they have never faced any in the past. My dad was fairly strict with me, and I will admit once I grew up, for a time I said to myself, when I have kids I'm not going to be as strict as my father. But then I became a dad and everything came into perspective, and guess what, I am now my dad. Maybe even a little stricter. But I am glad, because I always get compliments on how well behaved and well mannered my son is. Makes me proud. I know there are cases that no matter how someone was raised, some people are just simply bad. But I do truely believe that the path a person takes through the rest of their life, begins with their up bringing. IMHO

I knew when I composed the original post that this was probably going to turn into a 2nd amendment debate. But I thought that someone might look past that and focus on something else, a root cause of the problem perhaps. MTSUMMIT, thank you for touching on an important point! I think a huge reason why I was so profoundly affected by this is because I found out that I am going to be a dad and I don't want my kid to grow up in a world where stuff like this happens. I know there are all sorts of factors involved in this tragedy (including gun control and mental health issues) but you brought up some great points. It seems like kids are allowed to get away with so much nowadays, and people are afraid to punish their kids for acting badly. I don't even want to speculate on the shooters upbringing or place blame on his parents, who knows, this could have happened no matter what. Your post gives us an opportunity to ask some serious questions...What can people do as PARENTS to ensure that something like this never happens? Or an even bigger one that AKSNOWRIDER touched on...What can we do as a society?

 

[mold]

Morgan Freeman's brilliant take on what happened yesterday :

"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.

It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed
people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."

 

[snowmobiler]

my dad beat the mental illness right out of me with his belt.

 

[mold]

my dad beat the mental illness right out of me with his belt.

OUCH!!

 

[mold]

Here we go:
Von I. Meyer allegedly threatened to set his wife on fire before saying he would 'kill as many people as he could' at a nearby elementary school.

CEDAR LAKE, Ind. — Authorities say an Indiana man who had 47 guns and ammunition in his home has been arrested after allegedly threatening to kill people at an elementary school near his home.

Cedar Lake police were called to the home of 60-year-old Von I. Meyer early Friday after he allegedly threatened to set his wife on fire. A police statement says Meyer also said he would enter Jane Ball Elementary School and "kill as many people as he could."

Authorities found 47 guns and ammunition worth over $100,000.

Prosecutors filed felony intimidation charges against Meyer on Saturday, one day after the massacre at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn. He is being held without bond.

Cedar Lake is about 45 miles southeast of Chicago.

 

[allied1]

Two more separate shootings in AL today. One at a hospital, not sure about the other. Then the above mentioned school plot. The frequency of these random events are becoming closer every week. People are getting strung out, resorting to violence and we are all going to pay a heavy price for it. Not looking forward to to the future as things are going today. Sad to say, bad sh!ts a comin.

Here we go

 

[mold]

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/12/16/westboro-baptst-to-protest-newtown/

They are at it again.

 

[allied1]

I would build a wall of people around those jackoffs so deep they would sound like a fart in a tornado. Freedom of speech is one thing, being able to see or hear them is another. DICKS!

 

[mtsummitx]

@aebsledder Congrats on the expecting of your child!!! My son was born 2 weeks after 9-11, and it is a scary thing to think about the things that our children may have to face in this world that never crossed the minds of the older generations. It's too bad we can't turn back the clock 50-100 years when resposibility and value of life was instilled in children as everyday common sense.

 

[sno_mo_racer]

So sad for all the families and friends of the ones lost. well except for his mother. I do not for one second believe that she bought the guns for herself. She most likely bought them for her children knowing they weren't in the right mind.
A big thank you to the teacher who has did an honourable thing and hid her students out of harms way and much honour to those students who had the bravery to withhold there fear and I cannot imagine how much guts it took to stay quiet so they would not be found when they heard there teacher getting shot down. Many tears were had hearing the whole story and I can only hope that my kids will have all there teachers with even half the courage of the teacher that saved her students.
May the fallen have the way to find peace and the path into the arms of there maker. Not be stuck in the nightmare of the classroom for eternity.

 

[allied1]

Hackers attack Westboro Baptist Church for picketing Sandy Hook
6 hrs ago
Can two wrongs make a right? Westboro Baptist Church, the vicious anti-gay group that pickets the funerals of soldiers and AIDS victims, recently declared it will protest at the burials of the children slain in Newtown, Conn. In response, the hacker group Anonymous posted personal information of church members online, including phone numbers, home and email addresses. The law gives us all the right to some privacy, but when the Westboro Church's stance on the shooting is to "sing praise to God for the glory of his work in executing his judgment," do they deserve what they get? [Source]

These freaks are using the religious veil to propagate their unpopular beliefs. They should lose their non for profit exempt status and then they just might go away!

 

[Mafesto]

The popular thing to do is join in the hate mongering towards the shooter.

I am more disappointed in the way we have failed to see the signs & failed to provide help needed.

Some people are just evil, doing evil finding joy in the sorrow they cause.
That doesn't appear to be the case here.
He was sick, and even his own family shunned him.
For all we know, there may have been nothing he wanted more than to be normal, to think normal, to be treated normal.
Until I understand what was going through his head, I will consider him among the victims & I mean no disrespect towards the other victims.

 

[mold]

The popular thing to do is join in the hate mongering towards the shooter.

I am more disappointed in the way we have failed to see the signs & failed to provide help needed.

Some people are just evil, doing evil finding joy in the sorrow they cause.
That doesn't appear to be the case here.
He was sick, and even his own family shunned him.
For all we know, there may have been nothing he wanted more than to be normal, to think normal, to be treated normal.
Until I understand what was going through his head, I will consider him among the victims & I mean no disrespect towards the other victims.

Thank you for this prospective Mafesto.

 

[snowmobiler]

thats kinda weird

 

[Mafesto]

thats kinda weird

I know it is.
It' weird because we pretend that mental illness is less legitimate than physical illness.
We have the mentality that......"All they need to do is suck it up & pull themselves up by their bootstraps"


Let me ask all of you.....Who has not indulged in self destructive behavior?
None of us are 100% sane.

 

[skidoorulz]

I don't give a damn how sick he was. He does not deserve to be thought of as a victim and damn sure doesn't even deserve to be remembered. He didn't engage in SELF destructive behavior he DESTROYED many many lives. Had he just engaged in self destructive behavior and shot himself only then maybe I would have some compassion for him. Right now all I have to say is may he rot in HELL.

And I know I am not 100% sane but I would never, and I mean never do anything so horrific.

 

[m8magicandmystery]

i think he should be cut into tiny little pieces....mixed with human crap...thrown into a outhouse by a contagious disease walk in clinic ....and all the world should be shown that he can still be punished abit after death...

then maybe the next puke will know the easy way out still might be a little ugly for them...

Mental illness is no excuse...the parents failed here and the only failure on society is not taking him from the parents and putting him down like we do any sick animal...