Co riders paying way to much for a pro!!

[The Fourth Wolf]

I paid $11,779 for a new '12 Pro 800 163 (well actually the wife did, but whatever). They also sold me about $300 worth of accessories at 50% off which means I bought them at cost.

I happen to have a friendship with the manager that predates his tenure as manager. I asked and he told me that their margin on sleds rarely exceeds 10% and on Pro RMKs specifically it's 3.5%...which barely covers shop labor for the dealer prep.

So my dealership turned over about 12K on my sled and made a whopping $400. In fact they made more profit on the 2.5 gal jug of oil and the spare belt I bought when I picked the sled up then they did on anything else.

 

[scha0786]

I find that very hard to believe, its sales any way you look at it, they're main purpose is to produce a profit. Even if that means lying to yourself, lol.

 

[Xcelerated performance]

if they are only making 3.5% they wouldn't be able to keep the doors open. If I owned a business that made 3.5% i would find something else to do. even at 10% how does he pay his employees? things just don't add up with that statement

 

[scha0786]

the biggest trick in the book is they show you their invoice price, lol. I am telling its all about salesman tricks

I met a guy that owned a dealer when I was at togwotee last year and he told me that every sled they try to make between 4-5k and that even though it says "invoice" that is NOT the break even point for the dealer.

 

[snowmobiler]

i try and buy local.ive been screwed so many times,i ran out of local places to buy.

 

[dejadoo]

Just like new cars and trucks, there are hold backs and incentives that dealers get at the end of the year based on total sales. Many auto dealers will sell at invoice and still make $1-2000 on holdback.

 

[The Fourth Wolf]

This dealership sells boats, outboard motors and ATVs which have higher margins but on sleds their profits come mainly from parts, clothes, accessories and labor. The margin on that stuff is the usual retail mark-up of 100% or so. The sled is the bait to get you on the hook for the goodies.

Ask your dealer what they make on a new machine. It's not much.

 

[Dartos]

the biggest trick in the book is they show you their invoice price, lol. I am telling its all about salesman tricks

I met a guy that owned a dealer when I was at togwotee last year and he told me that every sled they try to make between 4-5k and that even though it says "invoice" that is NOT the break even point for the dealer.

What's that? Oh, it's the bullsh!t meter pegged out. He may have told you that but its simply not true. It would be great if a dealership owner or GM would back me up on this but they are laughing so hard they can't possibly type anything.

 

[Matte Murder]

My buddy works at he dealer that sells me my sleds. He wouldn't lie to me about what they make. He told me they make about $3-500 on snow check sleds up front. Then they get a 5% kick at the end of the year. So on $11,500 sales they make about a $1000. A little less than 10% It is hard for some people to know that someone made ANYTHING of them. They want it for cost. That is why they have the end of year kick back. Allows the dealer to sell to people like that.

 

[CO_MapMaker]

every sled they try to make between 4-5k .

That's the biggest BS line I have ever heard, 4-500 if they are lucky, unless they get full MSRP, then maybe a grand plus end of the year kickback.

 

[snow_god]

Dealers make little profit on the actual machine its self. Its the parts and service depts that makes the money for any dealer.

 

[bmin]

You are missing it by a long shot

I'm not talking a couple hundred, I'm talking a couple thousand!!!! I paid 10,600 out the door (including tax) and four year warrenty. If you guys are paying msrp plus tax, that is about two thousand!!! I put a stage two slp kit on and was still cheaper than what they are selling them for. And I doubt your dealer does that kind of setup included.

Hmmm...lemme see if I understand what you're saying...

-You are from the mountainless upper midwest
-The #1 selling mountain sled is $200 less at home then in Colorado
-Colorado one of the premier mountain riding destinations
-Colorado is having an epic snow year
-Market demand for mountain sleds tends to be high in mountain states especially during epic snow years
-You're sufficiently unhappy with your current ride to consider buying the #1 selling mountain sled in a premier riding destination during an epic snow year (which is why you're there in the first place)
-You and your buds spent about a grand in travel expenses just to get to Colorado but you're quibbling over $200 to get one of the few remaining #1 mountain sleds left in a premier riding destination state during an epic snow year.

Am I missing anything?

 

[bmin]

You are missing it by a long shot

I'm not talking a couple hundred, I'm talking a couple thousand!!!! I paid 10,600 out the door (including tax) and four year warrenty. If you guys are paying msrp plus tax, that is about two thousand!!! I put a stage two slp kit on and was still cheaper than what they are selling them for. And I doubt your dealer does that kind of setup included.

Hmmm...lemme see if I understand what you're saying...

-You are from the mountainless upper midwest
-The #1 selling mountain sled is $200 less at home then in Colorado
-Colorado one of the premier mountain riding destinations
-Colorado is having an epic snow year
-Market demand for mountain sleds tends to be high in mountain states especially during epic snow years
-You're sufficiently unhappy with your current ride to consider buying the #1 selling mountain sled in a premier riding destination during an epic snow year (which is why you're there in the first place)
-You and your buds spent about a grand in travel expenses just to get to Colorado but you're quibbling over $200 to get one of the few remaining #1 mountain sleds left in a premier riding destination state during an epic snow year.

Am I missing anything?

 

[BigWill]

-Colorado is having an epic snow year

Wolf, I agree with your whole argument, but we sure as hell arent having an epic snow year

 

[bmin]

His 10,800 price was without tax included. And that was a demo sled with just about 200miles and a rip in the seat. I might be a flatlander, but I do alot of riding all over, and all the work on my sleds because I just like too. But I defiantly know when I'm getting screwed! And I won't ever pay a couple of thousand more for dealer support. If that's what it takes for dealer support, I don't think they really care about you in the first place.

 

[scha0786]

400-500 when the sled is left over, not when people, like some on here i guess, are paying MSRP