BRP is takin care of us, so stop complaining

[summitboy]

linc i know your still lurking on this thread so will you answer these questions honestly

did your yamaha perform to your standards out of the box?

why did you add the turbo?

how much money have you spent on it so far?

how much time have you put into it so far?

how much down time did you have before you got it dialed in?

do you think you can compete with the xp, dragon, or m sled in fresh powder on a 35 degree incline in tight trees say ten feet apart on a three hundred yard run?

your honest answers will be appreciated as i have not seen a tpex do anything but straight runs, and they are impressive to say the least

I'll answer your questions:

Yes my Apex exceeded my expectations out of the box especially for a 4 stroke machine. Add gas and go with complete total reliability ! Never ran wrong, blew belts, or had parts go down. Rode it since new 3000km and added turbo this season 1000km (4000 km).

Added the turbo for the simple reason of wanting a mod sled with 260-300 HP. Go anywhere, and make some nice climbs. Nothing like a adrenalin rush which you do not get from a XP, XP feels like it is barely moving and something is wrong with it (which it is)

I spent money on my turbo, did the install myself and added some light weight parts. Each to their own, and by the way two stroke guys are no different when coming to mod sleds, you can spend as much as you like on either a 2 or 4 stroke. Even modded a 2 stroke will not have the same reliability (either modded or not 2 stroke engines are old and not very strong)

Who knows ? I took the time to build it right and makes sure it runs and brings me back to the truck every ride

I have spent no time dialing in my turbo ! The day i took it out it was running just the way it ran when in stock trim. Lets put it this way, i have spent more time di@king around with my XP than i have with my turbo.

I have gone riding and have never not been somewhere because i ride a Yamaha. Quite the opposite, i can explore and have been places that a 2 stroke with 120HP just can't go.

Some riders that actually ride don't have an issue slinging the extra weight around. Maybe some riders are just better than others. I had a real problem this year shelling out the money for my XP because i knew the Yamaha was just a better sled and would work better than the XP. Now look my worst fears have come true and the XP is a lemon with the worst quality control problems they have had ! You like being the test pilot for Skud thats great but get it right already, the other manufacturers are way ahead !

I'm tired of hearing about the tight trees thing that is pure shat and you know it ! I ride where my XP friends go. You think i just sit around and wait to find a point and shoot hill, LOL. Some of you guys are funny, i just spent 4 days in Revy and all the XP riders were huddled around the cabin because they were to afraid to pass over a socked in ridge. Well guess who was playing in the tight trees on the other side. Maybe the XP guys were discussing how to adjust the secondary while sipping tea in cabin !

 

[WFO or go home]

exceeded my expectations out of the box especially for a 4 stroke machine.

At least you are honest.

 

[lucky13]

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Some riders that actually ride don't have an issue slinging the extra weight around. Maybe some riders are just better than others. I had a real problem this year shelling out the money for my XP because i knew the Yamaha was just a better sled and would work better than the XP. Now look my worst fears have come true and the XP is a lemon with the worst quality control problems they have had ! You like being the test pilot for Skud thats great but get it right already, the other manufacturers are way ahead !

I'm tired of hearing about the tight trees thing that is pure shat and you know it ! I ride where my XP friends go. You think i just sit around and wait to find a point and shoot hill, LOL. Some of you guys are funny, i just spent 4 days in Revy and all the XP riders were huddled around the cabin because they were to afraid to pass over a socked in ridge. Well guess who was playing in the tight trees on the other side. Maybe the XP guys were discussing how to adjust the secondary while sipping tea in cabin ![/QUOTE]
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do you have any footage of yourself and your superhuman riding skills, the last time i asked this? someone put up a vidieo of one running through what i considered a 6 lane freeway. i bought into the hype and bought a nytro some of my worst fears came true also, it sinks in the trees, and i figure next summer with about $2500.00 and 200 hours of work it will do what i want it to do

 

[WMD]

07's STILL ARE'NT RIGHT, now buy an XP?

I and many other people paid premium price for the "awesome" XRS, that POS has never really run good. I have had a few good days in between trips to the dealer, but overall it has been one big pain in the ***, and still is!

We got to test the new motor and you XP owners are getting to test the rest of the sled.

- The clutching still isn't right
- The motor probably needs another year
- BRP really should know how to make handwarmers work
- Belts, gearing, jackshafts, etc.

All this sh(t should be figured out before mass production, especially at $11K a pop.

We should not have to spend money to get stock performance, if we spend lots of money it should be for real performance.

And don't get me started on trips to the dealer with diesel at $3.60 per gallon.

I love to ride and I know that fun costs money but there has to be a level of responsibility by BRP. Just try and call them direct and see how far you get.

Rant over for now.

 

[skidoorulz]

I'll answer your questions:





I have spent no time dialing in my turbo ! The day i took it out it was running just the way it ran when in stock trim. .

I had a real problem this year shelling out the money for my XP because i knew the Yamaha was just a better sled and would work better than the XP. Now look my worst fears have come true and the XP is a lemon with the worst quality control problems they have had ! You like being the test pilot for Skud thats great but get it right already, the other manufacturers are way ahead !

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Man if I spent 7 or 8 grand for a turbo and then have it run only as good as it did when it was stock I would sure feel ripped off. And if you had such a problem shelling out money for the XP cause you knew the Yammi was just a better sled then why did you buy it? When I know something is no good I don't buy it. I guess you're not to bright. Last but not least I'll buy that piece of carp XP from you. My guess is that as big a piece of carp that you say it is it ought to be worth about 2 maybe 3 grand. Keep talking it down and tomorrow I will offer 1500 dollars.

 

[Reverup]

WMD hit the nail on the head. The skidoo dealer in this area sold the XPs for $200-$400 less than what I paid for my XRS. Try to get rid of an 07 here and you will be giving it away. Hopefully they have got my 2nd motor figured out cause I have got a new track and the clutching figured out with about $1000 maybe more.

 

[WFO or go home]

From my experience (yes, I own one) the 2007 clutches are working perfectly (as perfect as can be anyhow) after the latest updates. 7 HARD rides and NO issues.

The 2006's and 2007's are bringing good money around here with. Some people just want to wait a couple years on the XP.

The skidoo dealer in this area sold the XPs for $200-$400 less than what I paid for my XRS.

Sounds like a real smart bunch.

 

[shanepr1]

Ok so there are a few small problems, and you all knew that there would be.. When you are riding a machine that is on the cutting edge that is to be expected! I mean everytime there is a major change, there will be issues.. If you cant deal with it, wait a few more years and quit buying new sleds every year! I have 350 miles on my same belt... No Issues. But I did cut off the extra crap from around my belt gaurd (that plastic that faces the pannel) I believe that it holds in too much heat and dosnt allow enough cooling on the clutches. Has anyone done this and still eating belts? Just wondering.... Ride More Complain Less!!

 

[summitboy]

I'll sell it to you for 13,000 grand, after all it is the "best stock sled ever". I want you to have the FULL XP experience ! Put your money where your mouth is !

WMD has put it very politically correct ! I have always been a Doo guy up until i bought my Yamaha, but having to deal with a bunch of BS dealers and a company that won't even talk to you on the phone is junk ! Their sled is the worst sled as far as reliability goes. A Doo dealer said it best to me "BRP's marketing is light years ahead of their engineering" . So true !

I'll continue to throw my extra weight around, it doesn't bother me one bit. I own both machines and i know which is the better of the two. If you watch Thunderstruck i think even a couple of woman are riding Apex's. Doesn't say much for you guys who NEED the lighter weight XP !

You hardcore XP guys keep selling yourselves whatever it takes to make you feel like you have the most reliable, powerful, best handling sled out there ! For now i will keep pulling wrenches on my XP and sorting out the quality control issues. Good thing the Yamaha is holding together !

 

[MtnDoo]

All of this Yamaha vs XP stuff is getting old.
They are two completely different creatures - not even in the same class.

So far I can see that the XP has three potential problems:

(1) Belt allignment & cooling
(2) Drive Shaft durabilitiy
(3) Crank Shaft durability

Only one of these is a new issue.

The XRS had belt/cooling problems, and didn't get hold RPM in stock form.

Crank shaft issues were basically isolated to a bearing, and/or poor quality bearings. Are we still loosing 800R motor in the XP at the same rate as the XRS?

Now, the new driveshaft failing is inexcusable - they need to issue a recall on that and replace the part.

I'm not too worried about replacing hand warmers, as they're not a major component.

MD.

 

[Fmrdoo]

Still waiting for replacement hand warmers. Come on BRP handwarmers are not some new invention. The driveshaft is an easy fix. I have not blown any belts but my primary is too hot. Heavier pins helped but something needs to be done about the soft motor mounts. My only real complaint is having to wait for new hand warmers. No excuse for that in my book.

 

[Turtlehead]

Sorry I call Bull ****,
(Quote)"Yes my Apex exceeded my expectations out of the box especially for a 4 stroke machine. Add gas and go with complete total reliability ! Never ran wrong, blew belts, or had parts go down. Rode it since new 3000km and added turbo this season 1000km (4000 km)."

Your trying to tell us you put 3000 km on that heavy turd before adding a turbo and you were out doing your spectacular moves with your advanced riding skills.

LMAO!! I have a feeling Summitboy is Trackpoucher , If not I think they need to get together with their "advanced riding skills"

 

[Jaynelson]

All of this Yamaha vs XP stuff is getting old.
They are two completely different creatures - not even in the same class.

The comparison is they are both snowmobiles, cost roughly the same when new and are intended for the same purpose. As to which will go where, that depends on the rider and always will. The problem is, there shouldn't be so many large issues with an expensive brand new STOCK machine. The fact that a company like Yami can do it reliably for the same price is just one more kick in the nuts.....because it obviously CAN be done.

 

[Priest]

Hi guys I need help, my diler doesnt want to replace 2 blown belts he said BRP not paying him for belt replacment. I broke them by book 30mi easy riding and then mountain riding I have xp 163 and diller says ride trails before BRP find cure or buy belts.My frend burned 2 belts on his xp 154 in one day and his diller (Mount Hood Polaris OR) says buy belts as well no warranty on them. So If any body have link to website regards belt replacment.Thanks.

 

[summitboy]

Whats so hard to believe that i put 3000km on my sled before turboing it. Just because some guys aren't man enough to throw around some extra weight doesn't mean no one does it you retard !

As for spectacular moves, i'm not quite sure what you are refering to. I can ride whever you ride ! I'm not much into those flat lakes you guys are into, LOL. Be careful if you take your mighty XP into 4 feet of fresh, i'm not sure if the chasis can take the weight of a case of belts !

 

[trinitypowder]

Hey SUMMITBOY...........go in the garage and make love to your Apex and leave us "retards" alone..........punk

 

[Makaveli_Rev]

say what you want but i am happy with the way BRP has treated me with this sled. Every first year sled is gonna have problems, your just gonna have to judge it by how they handle the handle the problems and so far i have been handled like a VIP client. My 07 RMK mod is starting to gather dust, fast....

I have just over 300 miles. Stock other than side panel vents. It has showed a couple cords on my belt and that was after i just towed a 06 800 X out of superbowl (BTW there was a guy on a M8 equiped with RK-Tek head and clutch, tryin to tow a m7 out of the same bowl and had ALOT more trouble than me, they ended taking about twice as long as me to get over the top and drop down by doublehill), maybe it was just the rider on the other sled though. but other than that it has been good. Dealer said to come exchange the belt after next ride just for precautionary measures.

 

[Makaveli_Rev]

I'll sell it to you for 13,000 grand, after all it is the "best stock sled ever". I want you to have the FULL XP experience ! Put your money where your mouth is !

You hardcore XP guys keep selling yourselves whatever it takes to make you feel like you have the most reliable, powerful, best handling sled out there ! For now i will keep pulling wrenches on my XP and sorting out the quality control issues. Good thing the Yamaha is holding together !

I will enjoy the XP experience, because it is a unreal good time! and have yet been beat by a sled other than a turbo m7 and a m1000 with some clutching, y pipe, and a can... And it will out boondock any sled out there, hands down. Maybe its just me but we have 2 XP's in our group (mostly M's, a couple dragons and 1 Rev), and both have been spot on since day one, other than handwarmers, and a little vibration.

 

[Turtlehead]

Whats so hard to believe that i put 3000km on my sled before turboing it. Just because some guys aren't man enough to throw around some extra weight doesn't mean no one does it you retard !

As for spectacular moves, i'm not quite sure what you are refering to. I can ride whever you ride ! I'm not much into those flat lakes you guys are into, LOL. Be careful if you take your mighty XP into 4 feet of fresh, i'm not sure if the chasis can take the weight of a case of belts !

Like I said LMAO!! There is absolutely no way you can take that tanker where we ride its been tried before , It doesn't work, they cant maneuver as well and they sink. They are 2 different sleds (but being the egotistical know it all you are you should know this)
But on the other hand... If I wanted a point and shoot sled I would definitely have an Apex. But we don't sit at the bottom of hills all day profiling , we're out in the woods boon docking.

But hey...Whatever you gotta tell yourself right?

And you call me a retard, have you ever gone back and read your posts?....I have, ROFLMAO!!!!

P.S. I haven't blown a belt yet on either one of my XP's

 

[trinitypowder]

Maybe he took my advice and is in the garage "stroking" the mighty Apex What a punk, eh?