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Bragging about an avy??

How do you know who's seen and did what? Who said it was glorious to drag a deceased friend off the mountain? Who said it was a joke? Where you getting your facts pal? Too bad you've been through that but don't assume peoples life experiences.

Well pal, I am not assuming anyones life expeiences. And pal the facts I have are from what I have seen first hand, You know the dead guy frozen like a popsicle with obvious major trauma over his body. Thats right the one we wraped up in a tarp. I don't know what I said to get under your skin but take a step back. I was just relaying my feelings and stuff I have been through. It was never pointed at you or anyone.
 
Well pal, I am not assuming anyones life expeiences. And pal the facts I have are from what I have seen first hand, You know the dead guy frozen like a popsicle with obvious major trauma over his body. Thats right the one we wraped up in a tarp. I don't know what I said to get under your skin but take a step back. I was just relaying my feelings and stuff I have been through. It was never pointed at you or anyone.

My apologies. I am sorry if I misinterpreted how the post was directed. RIP to your lost and loved friends:rose:
 
I think the point here is that AT LEAST after the 2nd avy, you boys should have called her quits or at least stayed in the meadows. Going on ofter that was just foolish.

Do I ride where avys are gjoing to happen? Yep. It's a chance I take to enjoy doing what I love. We all do it, anyone that sleds in the mountains take that risk. Some push the limits more than others, and that's okay, but there should be some limitations on the risk you take.

I think if you evaluate your decisions that day it is hard to justify that you guys were still climbing.

A few years ago my son and I were out early in the season, along the trail, the snow was sliding on the slopes. On that day, we decided to stick to the trails. The next day 2 were caught in an avy and died......the same place my son and I considered going.

I'm glad you are alright, but just because you have the experience, the gear, hardly makes it much safer. Half of avy deaths are the result of trauma, not sufforcation from being buried.

Just be safe.

As for the BIS thread, they did get some flaming, but they chimed in and said they evaluated things and took a calculated risk. To me, on the day you were riding, if you calculated the risk, you would not have been riding.

JMO
 
I agree as do we. Beacons, probes, ABS packs, sat phones, ava lungs, shovels all in everyone of our groups attire. There have been weekends in this year that we have decided as a group to stay home and not ride. We are not as irresponsible as is being led on here.:beer;

well if i was in trouble in the backcountry i would want you fellas to come across me...your well equipped..you wouldn;t climb a hill with me on it....and you would be willing to help...that is what impression i get from your groups posts...i agree your being tainted here..something you guys said in wrong context or without a better choice of words or what someone else said...it don;t matter..your being tainted there is no need to defend yourselfs..i appreciatte all the concerns that are raised..as much so..but not with misdirected malice...
 
Right on the mark

they didn;t come on here...they were dragged on here from the person that started the thread...!!!

Spot on m8magicandmystery ,

Drug in here with a missleading title and off the mark comments& theories.

Thank you for those who see through the vail of silliness.
Appologies to those whom have been offended by the retoric.

I want to thank Sledfiend for defending my good name.
I am honoured to have Sledfiend as a True Friend.

now stop playing rough, and go outside and play in the snow:D

BCAlpinejunkie:beer;:beer;
 
I didn't pick up that BCAJ was disrespecting from that vid, just pizzin on the devil, like we all do when we get away with something. For backcountry riders it's about pushing it and taking risks. Maybe that was a little extreme, but I wasn't there and don't know the situation. He!!, I like the rush of punching up a hill and the risk that things may not go the way I expect. Wouldn't be all that much fun if some risk wasn't involved. If BCAJ needs to hit that $hit to get a rush, then rock on bro. Sledding is about freedom to do what the flock you want with nobody pullin you over. Lord knows, we're all hemmed in and stifled everywhere else. He wasn't overtly endangering anyone else. It's his life to live as he wants and to witch hunt him on here is hypocritical. He is obviously very well prepared to handle the chit, so let him pull the flocking cork and quit imposing your perceptions of responsible behavior on him. Sure, there are concerns about affecting other people, but I don't know his situation. The gift of a life is our's to do with what we will. Live your's the way you want and be satisfied with that. He got some bad press here, but the guys climbing monster at revy are all good??? You think that's safe? lmao Green for the crazy motherflocker's that push the envelope and keep us all entertained. No, I won't be climbing monster anytime soon, but I'm not so insecure that I need to put them down for "questionable behavior". Lighten TFU.
 
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I didn't pick up that BCAJ was disrespecting from that vid, just pizzin on the devil, like we all do when we get away with something. For backcountry riders it's about pushing it and taking risks. Maybe that was a little extreme, but I wasn't there and don't know the situation. He!!, I like the rush of punching up a hill and the risk that things may not go the way I expect. Wouldn't be all that much fun if some risk wasn't involved. If BCAJ needs to hit that $hit to get a rush, then rock on bro. Sledding is about freedom to do what the flock you want with nobody pullin you over. Lord knows, we're all hemmed in and stifled everywhere else. He wasn't overtly endangering anyone else. It's his life to live as he wants and to witch hunt him on here is hypocritical. He is obviously very well prepared to handle the chit, so let him pull the flocking cork and quit imposing your perceptions of responsible behavior on him. Sure, there are concerns about affecting other people, but I don't know his situation. The gift of a life is our's to do with what we will. Live your's the way you want and be satisfied with that. He got some bad press here, but the guys climbing monster at revy are all good??? You think that's safe? lmao Green for the crazy motherflocker's that push the envelope and keep us all entertained. No, I won't be climbing monster anytime soon, but I'm not so insecure that I need to put them down for "questionable behavior". Lighten TFU.

Very well put.
 
Mother nature can be a biatch!!! she does not care!!! all we can do is try to deal with it as best we can. I don't care if peeps brag, cry, or just thank god they are alive. I'm just glad to hear that some peeps tangled with the mountain and won, instead of another "condolence" post.
we play on a dangerous battle ground, and there is going to be some casualties from time to time. how do you guys that are flaming know that these guys didn't set off the first slide, decide to get off the mountain, and set the rest off trying to get out? how do you know it wasn't a life or death struggle to get out?
come on guys, aren't we all on the same team here, team "snowest".
let's crack a beer and put this thread to bed!!
 
akstormin,

I am BCAlpinejunkie, the rider that survived that was caught on video in that slide. There was no bragging going on, that is how us true Sledheads talk....
That day wewere a group of 6,we triggered a total of 4 small avalanches that day.Each of us has a minimum of 10 years riding experience. No trails where we ride, just steep and deep:).
Thats how we roll.
I personally have 12 years of West coast mountain riding experience.
The video clip you reference captured the largest slide i have triggered or encountered.
For obvious reasons, I was elated that my skills had me stay calm,not panic, and get to the side of the slide, which is what we are trained to do.
This year has taken 19 lives locally, Climate change is creating crazy snow conditions.
ALWAYS Be aware of the riding enviroment and snow conditions you are riding in, review all aspects of the enviroment you are in , discuss safety concerns and strategies with the group continuously throughout the day.
Take note that my entire group was fully aware and on top of my situation, ready to respond...
I didnt even have to pull the ABS bag.
Choose your riding partners carefully, You need to trust you riding partners with your life.
BCAlpinejunkie

Wow! I thought was someone joking at first. I guess it wouldn't have been so shocking at 20 but as I turn 40 this year with a bunch of humbling experiences behind me, this made me cringe. Here's a few things I've found are true:

1) You start with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience before you empty the bag of luck.

2)As a mountain rider, two bad things can happen to you and one of them will:
A. You'll pull the rope one last time, knowing that this is your last ride on a mountain sled.
B. You'll pull the rope one last time, not knowing this is your last ride on a mountain sled.

3) Nature is a mother
 
~ I only hope your skills carry you through when needed. :cool:

While I agree you may be getting a bit of a hard rap for a mistake, If you believe that skill is the determining factor to surviving an avalanche, I have to disagree with you, luck has alot more to do with it in my opinion. Not that skill and experience to stay calm would not be an asset, thats not what I am saying, but if your caught in an avalanche, there is only so much you can do to survive, you are more or less at the mercy of the avalanche and mother nature at that point.

In my opinion your skills did not save you that day, they failed you by ignoring the risk, luck saved you that day, nothing else.
 
1) You start with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience before you empty the bag of luck.


Dont mean to hijack the thread but that is a great quote, you should add it in the best quotes thread:):)
 
1) You start with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience before you empty the bag of luck.



MAN, I like that one. VERY good. Where'd you come up with that one?
 
akstormin,

I am BCAlpinejunkie, the rider that survived that was caught on video in that slide. There was no bragging going on, that is how us true Sledheads talk....
That day wewere a group of 6,we triggered a total of 4 small avalanches that day.Each of us has a minimum of 10 years riding experience. No trails where we ride, just steep and deep:).
Thats how we roll.
I personally have 12 years of West coast mountain riding experience.
The video clip you reference captured the largest slide i have triggered or encountered.
For obvious reasons, I was elated that my skills had me stay calm,not panic, and get to the side of the slide, which is what we are trained to do.
This year has taken 19 lives locally, Climate change is creating crazy snow conditions.
ALWAYS Be aware of the riding enviroment and snow conditions you are riding in, review all aspects of the enviroment you are in , discuss safety concerns and strategies with the group continuously throughout the day.
Take note that my entire group was fully aware and on top of my situation, ready to respond...
I didn't even have to pull the ABS bag.
Choose your riding partners carefully, You need to trust you riding partners with your life.
BCAlpinejunkie


Thanks for the true sledhead lingo lesson. Thats how you roll? Oh, and the last one. Trained to get our of an avalanche? You kicked off 4 that day. What about the training of knowing how to avoid avy areas. After the 1st one you think that your "training" and superior riding skills would have triggered a little voice in your head that said, hey dumbazz, its not good.

But all in all, it's nice to see that your expertise and riding skills have blessed us with a great video of how to act stupid.


It's good to see you have survived the slide with "honors" (?) Show this to your family and tell them how skilled you are while ridin your coffin.
 
I think everyone is missing the bigger picture here a bit too. There's a million of these guys out there. How many more videos like this are floating around. Difference is those guys had the common sense to KEEP IT TO THEMSELVES! We're under fire BIGTIME this winter in the media because of all the avy deaths and these guys go and show the greenies and liberal idiots that we could all care less. Right on good call boys. Thaks for giving them all ammo. Guaranteed we haven't seen the last of this video, it will get used against us for sure now. You'd think that with you guys living on the frickin hippie coast that you might get that a bit? If you want to risk your lives or if you don't feel like you are, then fine. But you drug our whole mountain sledding community into this furball now, you made us all look like we don't care, and have no respect. So thanks a lot guys! Here's one to ya!:beer;
 
MAN, I like that one. VERY good. Where'd you come up with that one?

Right next to this one:
The propeller is just a big fan in front of the plane that keeps the pilot cool. When it stops, you can actually watch the pilot start sweating.

BTW, for those that think riding skill keeps you from getting killed in an avy:

Avalanche claims top snowmobile rider

By Perry Backus, of The Montana Standard

WISDOM -- Among the tight core of snowmobilers who travel around the West

each year to see who can reach the top of a hill

first, David Shepherd was known to be among the best.

The office of the Shepherd's Garage in Jackson is filled with plenty of

huge trophies that proved his prowess in the snowmobile

world. He'd earned presti gious sponsorships from com panies like Polaris

with demonstrations of skill and courage racing up steep

courses.

On Wednesday, deep in the backcountry of the West Big Hole, Shepherd's

luck ran out. He triggered an avalanche near the top of

the Montana Idaho divide in the Rock Creek drainage, northwest of

Jackson, and despite what officials called a `` picture-per fect

rescue effort,'' the 36year-old Shepherd died.

Shepherd was snowmobil ing with six others Wednesday afternoon. The party

had split in two -- four men were behind the lead

group that included Shepherd. The men decided to take a run up a ridge at

the end of the drainage.

`` Everyone in that group had gone up that same route dozens of times,''

said Beaverhead County sheriff's deputy Jake Heinecke.

Heinecke was the first law enforcement officer to reach the scene.

One at a time, the men made the run. Shepherd was the third -- `` they

told me he wasn't even working very hard '85 he was about

seven-eighths of the way up when the avalanche broke,'' said Heinecke.

When the snow on the slope sheered off, Shepherd's snowmobile sank to the

ice-covered ground and began sliding backward down

the hill. Heinecke said the men watched as Shepherd grabbed hold of the

machine and slid down with it.

The men kept track of Shepherd as long as possible. They then quickly

flipped their avalanche beacons to `` receive'' -- to receive

transmissions from Shepherd's beacon -- and started a search.

Heinecke said it took a minute or so to find the signal from Shepherd's

bea con. Two or three minutes later, the men had located

the snowmobile with probe poles. And 20 minutes later, `` at the most,''

the men found Shepherd buried under about six feet of

snow, he said.

`` They found the sled first and then they discovered his helmet,'' he said.

While one man tried to resuscitate Shepherd, the others worked to enlarge

the hole that would allow them to pull him from under

the snow. Another man rode up a nearby ridge and used his cellular phone

to call for help.

`` As far as I can tell, this group did absolutely nothing wrong,''

Heinecke said. `` It was a picture-perfect avalanche search and

rescue '85 if David had been buried under two or three feet of snow he

might be alive today.''

Heinecke said the men with Shepherd on Wednesday are experi enced riders

who know the area well.

`` David had the name and fame, but this whole group was made up of very

strong riders,'' Heinecke said. `` It was n't like he went

riding in there with six people who didn't know what they were getting

themselves into.''

The men were not `` high marking'' when the avalanche broke, said

Heinecke. High marking is the practice of roaring up a hillside

and turning around just as the snowmobile starts to bog down. The contest

is to see how high one can climb before retreating.

`` In my mind, they were just going up and park on the ridge to get a

view,'' he said.

Heinecke, who worked for a time in the Big Hole and had snowmobiled with

Shepherd, believes almost all of the people who

snowmobile into the rugged backcountry of the West Big Hole take

avalanche beacons, shovels and probes.

`` Most people who ride back in there go prepared,'' he said.

But this year, the snowpack `` is the worst I've ever seen it,'' said

Heinecke.

Early snow melted and turned to ice. What came later never developed a

base and remains loose and unbonded on top of that ice

layer, he said.

`` This is one of those winters when people should run their dogs or

maybe go cross country skiing in the flats somewhere. That's

about it,'' said Beaverhead County Undersheriff Jay Hansen. `` The snow

conditions are just going to get worse.''

Heinecke said the slab avalanche was probably 200 yards wide and per haps

the same distance long.

`` It was the biggest one that I've ever seen,'' he said.

For people like Corey Markovich of Butte, the idea that an avalanche

could catch a rider like Shepherd is almost unbelievable.

Shepherd had helped Markovich get started on the hillclimbing circuit

years ago, and he remembers Shepherd's office filled `` with

trophies nearly as tall as I am.''

`` My first reaction to the news was '85 no way. Something had to be

wrong,'' Markovich said. `` In so many cases, it's riders who

don't know enough or can't ride hard enough or some other excuse.''

`` With David, there are no excuses,'' he said. `` He was a good a rider

as I've ever known. He was an awesome rider '85 who's done

this all his life. He was a well-respected and great hillclimber.''

`` The scary thing is does this mean there are no more excuses?'' said

Markovich. `` It finally caught up with him. Does that mean

it's going to catch up with all of us?''

Services for Shepherd are 1 p.m. Sunday in the B.W. Lodge gym at

Beaverhead County High School in Dillon.
 
Right next to this one:
The propeller is just a big fan in front of the plane that keeps the pilot cool. When it stops, you can actually watch the pilot start sweating.

BTW, for those that think riding skill keeps you from getting killed in an avy:

Avalanche claims top snowmobile rider

By Perry Backus, of The Montana Standard

WISDOM -- Among the tight core of snowmobilers who travel around the West

each year to see who can reach the top of a hill

first, David Shepherd was known to be among the best.

The office of the Shepherd's Garage in Jackson is filled with plenty of

huge trophies that proved his prowess in the snowmobile

world. He'd earned presti gious sponsorships from com panies like Polaris

with demonstrations of skill and courage racing up steep

courses.

On Wednesday, deep in the backcountry of the West Big Hole, Shepherd's

luck ran out. He triggered an avalanche near the top of

the Montana Idaho divide in the Rock Creek drainage, northwest of

Jackson, and despite what officials called a `` picture-per fect

rescue effort,'' the 36year-old Shepherd died.

Shepherd was snowmobil ing with six others Wednesday afternoon. The party

had split in two -- four men were behind the lead

group that included Shepherd. The men decided to take a run up a ridge at

the end of the drainage.

`` Everyone in that group had gone up that same route dozens of times,''

said Beaverhead County sheriff's deputy Jake Heinecke.

Heinecke was the first law enforcement officer to reach the scene.

One at a time, the men made the run. Shepherd was the third -- `` they

told me he wasn't even working very hard '85 he was about

seven-eighths of the way up when the avalanche broke,'' said Heinecke.

When the snow on the slope sheered off, Shepherd's snowmobile sank to the

ice-covered ground and began sliding backward down

the hill. Heinecke said the men watched as Shepherd grabbed hold of the

machine and slid down with it.

The men kept track of Shepherd as long as possible. They then quickly

flipped their avalanche beacons to `` receive'' -- to receive

transmissions from Shepherd's beacon -- and started a search.

Heinecke said it took a minute or so to find the signal from Shepherd's

bea con. Two or three minutes later, the men had located

the snowmobile with probe poles. And 20 minutes later, `` at the most,''

the men found Shepherd buried under about six feet of

snow, he said.

`` They found the sled first and then they discovered his helmet,'' he said.

While one man tried to resuscitate Shepherd, the others worked to enlarge

the hole that would allow them to pull him from under

the snow. Another man rode up a nearby ridge and used his cellular phone

to call for help.

`` As far as I can tell, this group did absolutely nothing wrong,''

Heinecke said. `` It was a picture-perfect avalanche search and

rescue '85 if David had been buried under two or three feet of snow he

might be alive today.''

Heinecke said the men with Shepherd on Wednesday are experi enced riders

who know the area well.

`` David had the name and fame, but this whole group was made up of very

strong riders,'' Heinecke said. `` It was n't like he went

riding in there with six people who didn't know what they were getting

themselves into.''

The men were not `` high marking'' when the avalanche broke, said

Heinecke. High marking is the practice of roaring up a hillside

and turning around just as the snowmobile starts to bog down. The contest

is to see how high one can climb before retreating.

`` In my mind, they were just going up and park on the ridge to get a

view,'' he said.

Heinecke, who worked for a time in the Big Hole and had snowmobiled with

Shepherd, believes almost all of the people who

snowmobile into the rugged backcountry of the West Big Hole take

avalanche beacons, shovels and probes.

`` Most people who ride back in there go prepared,'' he said.

But this year, the snowpack `` is the worst I've ever seen it,'' said

Heinecke.

Early snow melted and turned to ice. What came later never developed a

base and remains loose and unbonded on top of that ice

layer, he said.

`` This is one of those winters when people should run their dogs or

maybe go cross country skiing in the flats somewhere. That's

about it,'' said Beaverhead County Undersheriff Jay Hansen. `` The snow

conditions are just going to get worse.''

Heinecke said the slab avalanche was probably 200 yards wide and per haps

the same distance long.

`` It was the biggest one that I've ever seen,'' he said.

For people like Corey Markovich of Butte, the idea that an avalanche

could catch a rider like Shepherd is almost unbelievable.

Shepherd had helped Markovich get started on the hillclimbing circuit

years ago, and he remembers Shepherd's office filled `` with

trophies nearly as tall as I am.''

`` My first reaction to the news was '85 no way. Something had to be

wrong,'' Markovich said. `` In so many cases, it's riders who

don't know enough or can't ride hard enough or some other excuse.''

`` With David, there are no excuses,'' he said. `` He was a good a rider

as I've ever known. He was an awesome rider '85 who's done

this all his life. He was a well-respected and great hillclimber.''

`` The scary thing is does this mean there are no more excuses?'' said

Markovich. `` It finally caught up with him. Does that mean

it's going to catch up with all of us?''

Services for Shepherd are 1 p.m. Sunday in the B.W. Lodge gym at

Beaverhead County High School in Dillon.


Did this happen recently? Have I been off the face of the planet for the last 5 years? Dave Shepherd killed in an avalanche??
 
I think everyone is missing the bigger picture here a bit too. There's a million of these guys out there. How many more videos like this are floating around. Difference is those guys had the common sense to KEEP IT TO THEMSELVES! We're under fire BIGTIME this winter in the media because of all the avy deaths and these guys go and show the greenies and liberal idiots that we could all care less. Right on good call boys. Thaks for giving them all ammo. Guaranteed we haven't seen the last of this video, it will get used against us for sure now. You'd think that with you guys living on the frickin hippie coast that you might get that a bit? If you want to risk your lives or if you don't feel like you are, then fine. But you drug our whole mountain sledding community into this furball now, you made us all look like we don't care, and have no respect. So thanks a lot guys! Here's one to ya!:beer;

So you "guarantee" we haven't seen the last of this video and its "going to be used against us for sure".:rolleyes: That's a bold statement. Why don't you go retype your post in one of the AVY death threads? Hate to break it to ya pal but in the big picture of all the unfortunate incidents this year this video has little to no significance. I also hope that your a member of more than one club and attend committee meeting to stick up for sledders rights as we do. Since you claim to be such a saint in the sledding community. Come off your ****en high horse:rolleyes: Feel free to pm me if you want, I would rather see this thread die.
 
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For the record, NOONE in our group is under the impression that tools, skill, experience will keep you from being killed in an avalanche.:beer;
 
For the record, NOONE in our group is under the impression that tools, skill, experience will keep you from being killed in an avalanche.:beer;

Actually one of your buddies is, but in the same statement he's also under the impression that he rode to the side of the avy. "For obvious reasons, I was elated that my skills had me stay calm,not panic, and get to the side of the slide, which is what we are trained to do" What I saw was a guy sidehilling and the avy broke behind him. He seemed as surprised as the cameraman when he looked back at all the comotion, had it broke sooner "Thats how I roll" might well have been his epitaph. I see the one vid has been removed, thanks, that'll save us all some blushing.
 
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