Boondocker Turbo Pro install pics MLC #2
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Anthony Oberti
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Not sure if this helps at all....but I ran 9.5lbs last weekend and the duty cycle was right about 80%. The sled ran good....period. I only have what Boondockers uses in their kits and it seemed to work real well.....actually, it works much better than the Turbo Dragons I ran against at the same boost level. Guess BD is doing something right....and they are the first to get the Pro running!
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theshadowrider
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Anthony are you running aux injectors?
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JROD
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Now isn't snowmobiling such an egotistical world... Everybody knows everything about everything so what's the point in even having a forum here? Personally I think Dobeck is a great company with great customer support and is breaking new ground with fuel controller technology. Boondocker has opened up a new market in pull-and-go turbo sleds. The component technology that Boondocker is relying on, works for their systems.
It's great to see a competitive edge from two different outlooks on a similiar situation. This is the kind of motivation that it takes to create an incredible turbo kit.
The funny thing about this deto situation is this; there is more than one way to alleviate detonation in a two stroke engine. The way you do it will affect varying aspects of a turboed engines performance characteristics.
I just don't get this whole bunch of B.S. If you got it, prove it. Many people come on here and sit behind their keyboard with a puffed up chest and a bad attitude completely unwilling to take a minute to listen to the amount of information available. The more I learn, the more I realize how much I don't know. The ignorant feel they know everything, they are no longer open to new ideas and therefore have closed themselves off to innovation and varying perspectives.
Ultimately, time will tell what works and what doesn't and in turn, sales will prove this. So sit behind your keyboard and try to explain all of this information to a group of people whose majority can barely figure out how to install a bar riser and you will be wasting your time. There are some really bright people on here but many can't even grasp this line of thinking.
And really..... How many people REALLY know what a TRUE 180hp feels like at 10,000 feet?
It's great to see a competitive edge from two different outlooks on a similiar situation. This is the kind of motivation that it takes to create an incredible turbo kit.
The funny thing about this deto situation is this; there is more than one way to alleviate detonation in a two stroke engine. The way you do it will affect varying aspects of a turboed engines performance characteristics.
I just don't get this whole bunch of B.S. If you got it, prove it. Many people come on here and sit behind their keyboard with a puffed up chest and a bad attitude completely unwilling to take a minute to listen to the amount of information available. The more I learn, the more I realize how much I don't know. The ignorant feel they know everything, they are no longer open to new ideas and therefore have closed themselves off to innovation and varying perspectives.
Ultimately, time will tell what works and what doesn't and in turn, sales will prove this. So sit behind your keyboard and try to explain all of this information to a group of people whose majority can barely figure out how to install a bar riser and you will be wasting your time. There are some really bright people on here but many can't even grasp this line of thinking.
And really..... How many people REALLY know what a TRUE 180hp feels like at 10,000 feet?
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Anthony Oberti
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Yes, the 3rd injector that comes with the BD kit.
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theshadowrider
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Brycter,
So isn't this how they are getting enough fuel for more than 6 pounds of boost with added injector?
according to this they're not using the 3rd injector yet.
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savedbygrace
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The new Boondocker 3D programming is not taking advantage of the auxiliary injector at this time. This program has the ability to drive the auxiliary injector, but is only driving the stock injectors for now. That may change in the future, with the addition of an intercooler.
Brycter,
The Pro has enough stock injector to sustain at least 220 actual HP at 90% duty cycle. Unless you are making your 6 psi at low elevation, you are not making more than 220 HP. I know exactly what is going on here, and why it will not show up in all of your data logging. That may sound arrogant, when I will not back it up with complete details, but I am not claiming that there is any kind of voodoo magic, nor is there any “smoke and mirrors”. In fact I’m not even claiming the other guys can’t or won’t figure it out, I am simply stating that Boondocker has.
The four Pro 800s that we have racing this weekend at Bear Lake are running this same Boondocker 3D program, and not using their auxiliary injectors, in fact two of them, I personally hand built intercoolers for, and didn’t even fit them with auxiliary injectors. All of these sleds are running about 10 psi and running very well.
Junior
Brycter,
The Pro has enough stock injector to sustain at least 220 actual HP at 90% duty cycle. Unless you are making your 6 psi at low elevation, you are not making more than 220 HP. I know exactly what is going on here, and why it will not show up in all of your data logging. That may sound arrogant, when I will not back it up with complete details, but I am not claiming that there is any kind of voodoo magic, nor is there any “smoke and mirrors”. In fact I’m not even claiming the other guys can’t or won’t figure it out, I am simply stating that Boondocker has.
The four Pro 800s that we have racing this weekend at Bear Lake are running this same Boondocker 3D program, and not using their auxiliary injectors, in fact two of them, I personally hand built intercoolers for, and didn’t even fit them with auxiliary injectors. All of these sleds are running about 10 psi and running very well.
Junior
Would my old engine at 225hp plus a 50 shot of nitrous at 8k' qualify me to answer that one?
I dunno.....maybe my newer engine of 170hp plus a 50 shot would still qualify me.
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aebsledder
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My brain hurts from reading this thread. I guess I am just going to have to be happy riding my 140 hp stock sled. Or what is it at 9-10,000 feet? Lets see...carry the 2, divide by pie, multiply by 4.5666, take into account the earths gravitational pull, got it! I am just going to be happy riding my 47 horsepower stock sled. I gotta tell you though, it doesn't feel like 47 horsepower, must be clutched well. Holy cow, I am not knocking some of these guys (and I am not a psychologist) but is it just me or is there a certain amount of "let's see who has the biggest weiner mentality" disguised in some of this techno-talk? Talk about fulfilling the turbo stereotype. (If there even is one) Ride on.
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JROD
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Would my old engine at 225hp plus a 50 shot of nitrous at 8k' qualify me to answer that one?
I dunno.....maybe my newer engine of 170hp plus a 50 shot would still qualify me.
But are you using 3D mapping? Qualify denied.
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Anthony Oberti
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.....so this is not even used with the 3D mapping? Guess that means it will be that much better when it is
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If 3d was working as well as they say, Jeremy Osler would not have detonated at the crest of the hill at the bear lake hill climb! He was on his way to the fastest run of the day. All of the Boondocker sleds at the race had there det sensors taken off there engines after that so once again I am just relying the truth.
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Tweedleditt
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So here we go again, Jeremy Oslers 600 is not a pro, He did however qualify for today ON HIS PRO with very fast times. All of the BD PRO's qualified for todays race with fast times, so i guess you could say 3D is doing well.
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Tweedleditt
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I was wrong the 600 is not a pro but it was running the 3d controller so!!!! Detonation is ok?
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supraturbo
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inkedrider, when you say that silber has them figuered out......i think you should say: "silber has them figured out his particular elevation(say 6000 feet)" no one will have the pro running correctly with those piece of shi$$t Dobeck box....no one. i think i have already made my point on those 30$ cheap circuit board sold 359$ they are what we call in the performance tuning world " anti tuning box". the pro has a very particular squish and when boosted it is very particular to tune( if you can't control timing, you won't have good results). right now, since nobody has a real standalone controling the sled , they just dump more and more fuel adn asking you guys to fill your sled with very lazy gas(race gas) resulting in very poor performance increasment per lbs of boost .....but they are avoiding the detonation!!!
as i already mention on numerous post, people should be aware it is IMPOSSIBLE to not scrap your engine driving any boosted 2 strokes sled at mid-to 3/4 throttle cruising or boondocking with any tune from dobeck......any. never asked yourself why all video from boosted sled are always climbing(wide open throttle)??? i don't want to stir up shi$t but we will always have problems without a real standalone ecu for a complete takeover of all sensors on the sled, then we will need a real good tuner, then we will have less problems but nothing will be bullet proof.....so we are back to square one
) joke aside, next year will be a realy funny year for the 800cc polaris on the electronic fuel injection department !!!!
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I agree, stand alone will always be a better solution, but your looking at almost doubling the cost of a kit. Silber, Aerocharger or anyone else who is trying to turbo this sled without head work I personally don't agree with. JMO. I would like to see at least 80 to 100 thousands taken out of the squish and the band narrowed 10 to 20 thousands.
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supraturbo
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the new era of snowmobile's standalone ecu will be much lower in price than everybody think!!! it will be a complete plugin unit and will also be base mapped exactly to factory mapping(naturaly aspirated) and will drive the dash(same communication protocol).....and it is very soon.
