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Sounds good terry Ill give you a call.
Boondocker Turbo Pro install pics MLC #2
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I was wondering on the money thing? I just want to ride ,too. Couldn't figure out what first come first serve on the money thing.
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SNOW JW
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Inked I think many of us would love to know who you are?? I don't know you but have been told by a few local guys here that you spend allot of time at Dobeck and have seen you there do you work there??. (for those that are not sure who Dobeck is they make the EFI boxes for Silber, Aerocharger and other turbo kits).
You made the post on the 28th that you have rode all the other turbo kits and things are not working well. I assume this is all the other brands that run Dobeck boxes. Here are your words below.
" (but there sleds are not running either so believe what you will) There are a lot of people that don't have 6,000 to blow on kit that does not work so I just would like to see it first hand because I have been testing these sleds for months with several different turbo companies and none of them have been working so my offer stands, make me a believer and I promise I will apologize for misinforming all of you. "
" I have rode just about everyone's turbo kit for the PRO besides BD and have not been satisfied so its hard to believe that BD has it all figured out."
I understand the frustration I am not saying I have never hit the DET sensor with the GEN 1 map I did see the DET sensor on the 1st ride. I then changed the C1 setting and no more DET it was still not perfect but a very fun sled to ride but I wanted more boost the 3D map was the cure to this issue now we are able to run from low boost to high boost with seamless results no hot spots no DET unless you push the limmit.
I do know BD will always be working on better results so as you seen in there turbo kits they will push to come out with new and better product all the time and from what I from what I know the 3.D mapping is just the bigging of what they have to offer for all there turbo kits down the road.
That said I have sent out ALL my turbo kits to those that have not backed out or have talked to someone that has told them to back out??
As far as money I don't need money to go for a ride I just ride to have fun we will have to hook up sometime and go for a ride.
You made the post on the 28th that you have rode all the other turbo kits and things are not working well. I assume this is all the other brands that run Dobeck boxes. Here are your words below.
" (but there sleds are not running either so believe what you will) There are a lot of people that don't have 6,000 to blow on kit that does not work so I just would like to see it first hand because I have been testing these sleds for months with several different turbo companies and none of them have been working so my offer stands, make me a believer and I promise I will apologize for misinforming all of you. "
" I have rode just about everyone's turbo kit for the PRO besides BD and have not been satisfied so its hard to believe that BD has it all figured out."
I understand the frustration I am not saying I have never hit the DET sensor with the GEN 1 map I did see the DET sensor on the 1st ride. I then changed the C1 setting and no more DET it was still not perfect but a very fun sled to ride but I wanted more boost the 3D map was the cure to this issue now we are able to run from low boost to high boost with seamless results no hot spots no DET unless you push the limmit.
I do know BD will always be working on better results so as you seen in there turbo kits they will push to come out with new and better product all the time and from what I from what I know the 3.D mapping is just the bigging of what they have to offer for all there turbo kits down the road.
That said I have sent out ALL my turbo kits to those that have not backed out or have talked to someone that has told them to back out??
As far as money I don't need money to go for a ride I just ride to have fun we will have to hook up sometime and go for a ride.
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Yes everyone that is running a Dobeck is struggling with the PRO but I still believe that it is all in the head!! I do not work for Dobeck but, have you ever watched the show top gear, I am the STIG.
Twisted Turbo's with the dobeck controller...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PmqrXKFmbY&feature=related
Silber Turbo's with the dobeck controller...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvyGFlhcta0
Inked... could you tell us more about these problems? And be specific as to who's turbo kit, who's sled, and what EXACT problems these sleds are having.. I'm not busting your balls. I would just like to know what's going on..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PmqrXKFmbY&feature=related
Silber Turbo's with the dobeck controller...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvyGFlhcta0
Inked... could you tell us more about these problems? And be specific as to who's turbo kit, who's sled, and what EXACT problems these sleds are having.. I'm not busting your balls. I would just like to know what's going on..
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savedbygrace
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It is absolutely NOT in the head. It is in the way the stock ECU controls the injectors. Conventional control boxes do not manipulate the injectors properly. The new Boondocker 3D programming does! This new programming is also based on PSI, RPM and TPS, simultaneously, to ensure there is no area you cannot tune. The 3D tuning is using only the stock injectors, not activating the auxiliary for now and we are able to exceed 10 psi on only the stock injectors. We have a ton of work into putting this programming together, and I WORKS. So if you have a Boondocker turbo Pro and have not had this update done yet, get your control box into us, we will reprogram and return ship your control box the same day we receive it.
http://www.boondockers.com/turbo/prormk.html
Junior
Garrett GT2860RS turbo?
That is great news. Any shot that this new programmer will be available for the bd turbo M's also? Or is it not needed cause the original one works great?
New 3d programming
I have the 3d programming installed and the sled runs very very well without even messing with any numbers! Just pull and ride. Hats off to boondockers.
I have had a turbo since 2009. The tuning on the pro is the best I have ever ridden by far.
I have the 3d programming installed and the sled runs very very well without even messing with any numbers! Just pull and ride. Hats off to boondockers.
I have had a turbo since 2009. The tuning on the pro is the best I have ever ridden by far.
Ok.....So you are getting 10 psi on Stock Injectors. The stock injectors are a 630cc injector at 43.5 psi. The ProRMK is running 58 psi so that makes those 630s flow 727.46cc. A fuel injector that is flowing 727.46cc can only fuel up to 180 hp at 80% duty cycle. You can run those injectors at 100% duty cycle but the on/off time of that injector will only allow you to get up to 85% duty cycle on that exact injector. Now I imagine you are jacking up the fuel pressure on the stock pump.....which usually lessens your fuel volume from the pump, but i haven't seen a chart for this pump yet. So if there is a rising rate regulator in the system...we'll say a 2:1. So now at 10 psi we will have at most 78 psi of fuel, which in a perfect world will allow you to run 214 hp. So turbo kit at 10 psi is only increasing the horsepower of the sled 214 - 150 = 64 hp gain at 10 psi, which is 42.666667% more horsepower...not really that efficient.
If you don't agree with my math i'm using a calculator off the following website:
http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/InjectorSizeCalc.html
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savedbygrace
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Your math is okay, but did you consider that your 150 HP Pro (which is actually more like 140ish) is sea level HP, and is really only making like 100-115 HP actual HP at 6000-7000 ft. So 200+ actual HP at elevation is pretty close to 100% gain, and that is pretty much what one would expect to see out of an efficient 10 PSI of boost. There is enough stock injector to run as much as 10-12 psi at these kinds of elevations, which translates out to be enough fuel to support 200+ actual HP at any elevation.
Junior
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Kestrel2126
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Very interesting and informative, I find it incredible that, a 214 HP sled isn't really that impressive! Junior makes an excellent point also about actual HP at elevation. Must be sick riding these thing in places like AK where you are near sea level in places!
Yes you are 100% right i didn't consider elevation. Sea level performance would be crazy...but isn't that the point of putting a turbo on? So the only customers you are trying to sell turbo kits to are people that run at 6000 feet or above.
So I'll take into account the 140ish.
(7000 * .03 * 140) / 1000 = 29.4 hp loss
140 - 29.4 = 110.6 HP at 7000 feet.....oh yea this also is not counting the air density change due to the kit being non inter-cooled which leads to really hot charge temps.
180-110.6 = 69.4 hp -> 69.4/110.6 = 62.75% increase.
You are claiming 100% increase which would be 221.2hp on injectors that can only flow enough fuel for 180 hp.....hmmmmm????????
My main point of the whole post was the stock pro injectors can still ONLY FUEL 180 HP. So you can not be achieving anymore than 180 hp whether it is sea level or 30000 ft, unless you use a rising rate regulator which i didn't see in any of those pictures.
I did see an extra injector in the photo install but in your post you said;
" not activating the auxiliary for now and we are able to exceed 10 psi on only the stock injectors. "
All i'm trying to do is explain to the user the "TRUE POTENTIAL" of their pro.
This is kind of a pointless argument. I just think members of snowest need to be told the truth rather than seeing smoke and mirrors. We need more facts and less assumptions. That is the point on forums. People use this media to gain knowledge about products.....not be sold on B.S
So I'll take into account the 140ish.
(7000 * .03 * 140) / 1000 = 29.4 hp loss
140 - 29.4 = 110.6 HP at 7000 feet.....oh yea this also is not counting the air density change due to the kit being non inter-cooled which leads to really hot charge temps.
180-110.6 = 69.4 hp -> 69.4/110.6 = 62.75% increase.
You are claiming 100% increase which would be 221.2hp on injectors that can only flow enough fuel for 180 hp.....hmmmmm????????
My main point of the whole post was the stock pro injectors can still ONLY FUEL 180 HP. So you can not be achieving anymore than 180 hp whether it is sea level or 30000 ft, unless you use a rising rate regulator which i didn't see in any of those pictures.
I did see an extra injector in the photo install but in your post you said;
" not activating the auxiliary for now and we are able to exceed 10 psi on only the stock injectors. "
All i'm trying to do is explain to the user the "TRUE POTENTIAL" of their pro.
This is kind of a pointless argument. I just think members of snowest need to be told the truth rather than seeing smoke and mirrors. We need more facts and less assumptions. That is the point on forums. People use this media to gain knowledge about products.....not be sold on B.S
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Sometime the truth hurts, but the reality of this situation is that I am not on here to make friends. I am frustrated with the lies!!! and will continue to call out the people on here that are just in it to sell kits and will fix the problems after you guys complain. That is not what you do!! DON'T RELEASE A KIT UNTIL YOU HAVE WORKED OUT THE PROBLEMS YOURSELF. DON'T LET YOUR CUSTOMERS DO YOUR R AND D.
Kinda beginning to sound like rhetoric. So are you assuming ALL Pros do not run correctly, or do you personally know they ALL don't run correctly? Read these forums and extrapolate peoples problems onto all consumers and one would never buy ANY sled.
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There are sings that they are getting better and I know for a fact that Silber has them figured out, so I can confidently say that if you buy one you will be happy. On another note when '' I say all I mean all '' there were a lot of problems in the beginning and I was trying to protect our fellow riders in which I had a few that respected that, and others mainly manufactures and or friends of manufactures that tried there best to hide the fact that there were problems and ship you kits that were not right!! There is a light at the end of the tunnel and I hope you all get your sleds running to your expectations I just wish the R and D would not have been done on your dollar!!
