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Are you frickin KIDDING ME???

We since we don't know the demographic and environment of that school, let's not pass judgement....you don't know...you weren't there, right?


That being said, HOWEVER, before you jump on me....GO READ THIS THREAD on the same topic:
http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2288978#post2288978

What ticks me off is the vice principal takes it upon himself to mandate these kids home (violating their 1st amendment) which from what I understand, sparked this controversy from 200 Hispanic kids to march saying they need respect. Respect for what??? US citizens are not able to wear the colors of their country on a day that celebrates Hispanic heritage and nothing more? I haven’t heard any Irish people get upset over the same thing on st patties day…it’s as silly as Irish people getting mad about serving green colored domestic beer on st patties day instead of an Irish import “Irish beer needs respect”. As the other post in the linked topic states, Cinco De Mayo is only celebrated in the US………So let me back up….the Hispanics (whom, if you work from statistics, one could assume a percentage are here illegally) are pizzed because some kids wore T shirts depicting the US flag to school, that is located in US soil on a day that is celebrated solely by the US in honor of Hispanic heritage……. To me, that doesn’t make any sense, lets get mad because we are wearing the colors of a country in which I live in on a day that said country started?????? I don’t have a problem with people that come to this country legally and make an honest living….its the ones that come here illegally and then b*tch and moan about things on top of everything else they do that pizzes me off.
 
Sounds like they are allowed to wear the american flag shirts but not on 5/5 given it could cause riots or fights or whatever...I can understand this. If I was the principal I would not want more chit happening at school. Pretty obvious these kids were doing this on 5/5 to rub it in the face of the hispanic kids....my .02.

And yes I'm a white boy that loves my country....just saying I don't think this is as much about the American flag as it is about avoiding a bunch of bs between punks...
 
Wow, I don't care what the background of the school is, If you are in the this country, you better darn-well be able to show patriotism to this country... Anything less is not only un-constitutional, it's morally wrong IMO:face-icon-small-fro:face-icon-small-fro:face-icon-small-fro
 
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at least the 200 mexicans all did somthing togather when they skipped unlike every other day they dont show up!! haha
 
Sounds like they are allowed to wear the american flag shirts but not on 5/5 given it could cause riots or fights or whatever...I can understand this. If I was the principal I would not want more chit happening at school. Pretty obvious these kids were doing this on 5/5 to rub it in the face of the hispanic kids....my .02.

And yes I'm a white boy that loves my country....just saying I don't think this is as much about the American flag as it is about avoiding a bunch of bs between punks...

I don't care if the kids wore the U.S. flag shirts to stir up controversy. That is their 1st amendment right. Not to mention, all the kids need to learn to accept the fact that they are going to see things they don't agree with.
 
Good point, didn't think of it that way.......but what if the kids showed up to school with big flags and were waving them. On this day or anyday, the school would not allow it because of the potential for it to cause problems, this how I see this issue.


I don't care if the kids wore the U.S. flag shirts to stir up controversy. That is their 1st amendment right. Not to mention, all the kids need to learn to accept the fact that they are going to see things they don't agree with.
 
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I think the kids should be allowed to wear their shirts, but we don't know what sort of actions happened along with these shirts.

With that said, students/children do not have 1st amendment rights while in school. You can say what you want but an instructor or principle can also send you home. You cannot wear any t-shirt you want either. While attending a public or private school you lose a lot of rights. Just like they are allowed to search your locker at any point, with zero probable cause or warrant (it does not belong to you). As long as the school is not violating the 14th (equal protection clause) they can do almost anything.
 
they should also be banning any other national symbolism on every other day....At some point there needs to be revolt, this is the USA and it should be flag day everyday!!
 
I don't get it.....if a group of people...in this case Mexican, made the effort to come to the US to make a better life for themselves and family.....why would they be offended by the American Flag?? They should be PROUD of its display and if not, they can get the fug out.
 
I don't get it.....if a group of people...in this case Mexican, made the effort to come to the US to make a better life for themselves and family.....why would they be offended by the American Flag?? They should be PROUD of its display and if not, they can get the fug out.


I don't think they are offended by the American Flag. They are just showing support for their heritage. Just because your family moves here doesn't mean you should forget where you came from. You see it quite often. Irish flags in Chicago, Italian flags. There is nothing wrong with being proud of where you are from. How many people have a family coat of arms hanging on their wall? We all came from somewhere else, unless you are Native American. At least your family is from somewhere else.
 
We since we don't know the demographic and environment of that school, let's not pass judgement....you don't know...you weren't there, right?

Morgan hills is a quiet little town right off the 101, just south of San Jose.
I would guess 70 to 80% White, and maybe 20% hispanic. Toss in a few Asians and a sprinkle of Polynesians and you have Morgan hills. With that said it is sandwiched right in with a very gang affiliated area in Gilroy, Salinas, and Gonzales to the south and Richmond and Oakland to the north. Which per capita has some of the most gang activity in all of California.

I believe the Principle over reacted to the shirts. The real question is, will all those kids that walked out of class be serving detentions or suspensions?
Or is it ok to skip out on school when doing so in the name of celebrating your heritage?:face-icon-small-dis
 
We since we don't know the demographic and environment of that school, let's not pass judgement....you don't know...you weren't there, right?


That being said, HOWEVER, before you jump on me....GO READ THIS THREAD on the same topic:
http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2288978#post2288978

Nope we weren't there....I don't care about the demographic and environment. I did work in the Bay Area for 2 years and I don't recall much of any kind of patriotism in that area. Any kind of patriotism was watered down and overpowered by other groups. I praise the courage of these kids to spark American patriotism! Political correctness is for p*ssies/libbies.

If bandanas aren't allowed in school....fine. A government entity has no place telling a person to take off a shirt that has an American flag on it...or any patriotic attire! There are NO excuses for that! NONE! Only that these self-serving school authorities were cowards and felt it necessary to take the easy way out rather than choosing to stand up for what is right....great teachers! I would sure like to hope that you wouldn't support their decision in that situation Scott...knowing that you are a teacher.

Here is what some others think....

http://www.backcountryrebels.com/showthread.php?p=312314#post312314
 
The first amendment reads: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

That does not apply.


That being written, what happened was BS. I'm a proued American and if you live here, you should be too. The USA was founded on the "Melting Pot" theory. Let us all remember that, including newbies.
 
The USA was founded on the "Melting Pot" theory. Let us all remember that, including newbies.


I agree with you, we SHOULD take the illegals & toss them in a melting pot of molten metal.
That would solve alot of immigration problems.

I like your idea better than my "wood chipper" idea!:face-icon-small-win
 
Nope we weren't there....I don't care about the demographic and environment. I did work in the Bay Area for 2 years and I don't recall much of any kind of patriotism in that area. Any kind of patriotism was watered down and overpowered by other groups. I praise the courage of these kids to spark American patriotism! Political correctness is for p*ssies/libbies.

If bandanas aren't allowed in school....fine. A government entity has no place telling a person to take off a shirt that has an American flag on it...or any patriotic attire! There are NO excuses for that! NONE! Only that these self-serving school authorities were cowards and felt it necessary to take the easy way out rather than choosing to stand up for what is right....great teachers! I would sure like to hope that you wouldn't support their decision in that situation Scott...knowing that you are a teacher.

Here is what some others think....


[URL]http://www.backcountryrebels.com/showthread.php?p=312314#post312314
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Read what I posted in that link....that school's decision doesn't sound right to me, but then again I wasn't there.

But also remember, teachers can't remove students from school. Only administrators can do that. That's across the board.
 
The first amendment reads: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

That does not apply.


That being written, what happened was BS. I'm a proued American and if you live here, you should be too. The USA was founded on the "Melting Pot" theory. Let us all remember that, including newbies.

That does not apply!!!???? HUH!???? The last time I checked a public school is a government entity....this was not a private school that I know of. A private school could have done whatever they wanted. The kids would have had the right to withdraw from the school.

The first amendment protects citizens' rights from state governments as well....the last time I checked schools are run by the state. States do have power, but not power to take away individual rights guaranteed by the Constitution. This was not hateful and inflamatory speech! If the American flag ever inflames people....then those people can get the f*ck out of this country! If the shirts stated, "I hate Mexicans." Then you have a legitimate point. The Supreme Court has ruled on that type of speech. It is meant to inflame and incite violence. The first amendment clearly protects them here. Please explain yourself Ms. Lawyer why the Constitutional rights of an individual don't apply in some situations? That baffles me! Are you going to get into semantics....about Congress never prohibited these boys? Should we get into case law regarding the first amendment?

Here are some Supreme Court cases Ms. Lawyer (out of the hundreds of freedom of speech cases....these pertain to schools). It seems Supreme Court justices have a different opinion than you.


Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District (1969)...pay particular attention to this one.
Board of Education v. Pico (1982)
Morse v. Frederick (2007) ....this one...well I hope you understand why I put it there....to let you know when it is appropriate to limit speech.


Oh look at their attire....so bad....so dangerous and they are inciting violence! bwhahahaha

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William J. Becker Jr., a First Amendment attorney based in Los Angeles, said the students' First Amendment rights were absolutely violated when administrators asked that they remove their T-shirts.

"The student wearing the Old Navy T-shirt with the flag does not shed their First Amendment rights at the school house gates," Becker said. (hmmm does that sound familiar ...he quoted a justice from the Board of Education vs. Pico case.)

Administrators cannot ask students to relinquish their freedom of speech and expression due to the fear that something might happen. When a person's right to freedom of speech or expression is restricted to prevent another party from reacting, it's known as the heckler's veto. Becker said this is a perfect example of how heckler's veto was used to displace the students' freedom of speech.

"Every viewpoint has a particular averse viewpoint," Becker said. "That's why the First Amendment is there - to support unpopular expression."

The incident comes just days after Arizona enacted a new law that allows police to question anyone they suspect is crossing the border illegally.

Comments left online to www.morganhilltimes.com said that the boys are often seen with American flag patches on their backpacks and Maciel said he's worn the T-shirt he wore on Cinco de Mayo many times before.

Curtis Collier, the president of the U.S. Border Watch, a citizens' action group whose mission is to "stem illegal entry into the U.S. from the north and south" called from his Texas office appalled by the news emanating across the Web and on TV.

"That is their constitutional right to wear the shirt," Collier said. "I think the school missed a golden opportunity here and missed having a dialogue between the students and have them talk it out."
 
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