Anyone for Obama?

[Ollie]

In Brighton there are a couple family farms here and they rely on LEGAL immigrants to help them out. Of course this year the administration cut back the number of legal VISA's being issued (stupid move). There are two farms here that are not harvesting. So now instead of being able to buy locally grown produce and help the local economy many people will be buying from Wal-Mart.

Have them contact the local Mexican consolet (sp?). I think there is one in denver. They will help with the paper work and such. The visa's are there, just people don't know how to go about getting them. The consolet will work that all out. You can set up a system with them that would automatically renew the visa.

 

[Dare-Ya]

Because I thought he would be the best option. I don't vote along party lines, I vote for who I think will do a better job.

Vague answer. Better job at what, verses Kerry and Gore. I'm trying to understand your way of thinking here. Please help.

 

[Meatman]

my vote goes for the president who will legalize and tax the ever living chit out of marijuana. cut down on overpopulated prisons, criminal activities, drug trfficking, minor misdeamenors, and a large part of the organized drug lords.

 

[ruffryder]

There is no legal definition of “biodegradable,” but the American Society for Testing and Materials defines the term as “a degradation caused by biological activity, especially by enzymatic action, leading to a significant change in the chemical structure of the material. So Fe to Fe203

So by this definition your examples still don't describe it. Therefore everything is not biodegradable.

 

[shortstop20]

my vote goes for the president who will legalize and tax the ever living chit out of marijuana. cut down on overpopulated prisons, criminal activities, drug trfficking, minor misdeamenors, and a large part of the organized drug lords.

I don't use drugs and never will but I've always thought that would be a great idea too.

 

[Sturgis Sledder]

ok, so lets look at this shall we....
Break it down into politcal speach.



Quote:
Barack Obama's Plan
Create Secure Borders
Obama wants to preserve the integrity of our borders. He supports additional
personnel, infrastructure and technology on the border and at our ports of entry.

(nowhere does it say he will secure our boarder. He has stated at numorous speeking stops he thinks we should do away with boarders so we can compete with europe

Improve Our Immigration System
Obama believes we must fix the dysfunctional immigration bureaucracy and increase the number of legal immigrants to keep families together and meet the demand for jobs that employers cannot fill.

Fix the dysfunctional immigration system means increasing the number of people coming into this country. By doing away with the southern boarder, no visa's. Thus system fixed. He wants to keep families together. that means you will be supporting grandma, grandpa from both sides of his family as well as all the uncles, aunts, cousins, etc. It is called chain migration and is happening as we speak

Remove Incentives to Enter Illegally
Obama will remove incentives to enter the country illegally by cracking down on employers who hire undocumented immigrants.

How exactly do you think they will do that. There is a bill before congress now that would do just that. The dems are blocking it from coming up for a vote. they say it will cost to much and won't work. This is the exact same provision they had in their comprehesive immigration reform that they pushed a year or so ago, but now won't work. That tells me they never intended to stop the hiring of illigal workers to begin with. They lied in 86 and they are lieing now

Bring People Out of the Shadows
Obama supports a system that allows undocumented immigrants who are in good standing to pay a fine, learn English, and go to the back of the line for the opportunity to become citizens.

Translation. Amnesty. They keep talking about back of the line. THERE IS NO LINE. Would someone please show me the line

How can someone who is here undocumented (illegally) be "in good standing"?

Work with Mexico
Obama believes we need to do more to promote economic development in Mexico to decrease illegal immigration.

Isn't that what the free trade act was supposed to do? Until mexico controls their crime lords we could throw our entire countries wealth at mexico and not make a dent. To much corruption

Exactly ! ! !

 

[ruffryder]

Here is a different version. Does this help? Clarify his points?

I have always believed that our border must be secure and that the federal government has utterly failed in its responsibility to ensure that it is secure. If we have learned anything from the recent immigration debate, it is that Americans have little trust that their government will honor a pledge to do the things necessary to make the border secure.

As president, I will secure the border. I will restore the trust Americans should have in the basic competency of their government. A secure border is an essential element of our national security. Tight border security includes not just the entry and exit of people, but also the effective screening of cargo at our ports and other points of entry.

But a secure border will contribute to addressing our immigration problem most effectively if we also:

Recognize the importance of building strong allies in Mexico and Latin America who reject the siren call of authoritarians like Hugo Chavez, support freedom and democracy, and seek strong domestic economies with abundant economic opportunities for their citizens.

Recognize the importance of pro-growth policies -- keeping government spending in check, holding down taxes, and cutting unnecessary regulatory burdens -- so American businesses can hire and pay the best.

Recognize the importance of a flexible labor market to keep employers in business and our economy on top. It should provide skilled Americans and immigrants with opportunity. Our education system should ensure skills for our younger workers, and our retraining and assistance programs for displaced workers must be modernized so they can pursue those opportunities

Recognize the importance of assimilation of our immigrant population, which includes learning English, American history and civics, and respecting the values of a democratic society.

Recognize that America will always be that "shining city upon a hill," a beacon of hope and opportunity for those seeking a better life built on hard work and optimism.

Border security and our failed immigration system are more examples of an ailing Washington culture in need of reform to regain the trust of Americans. In too many areas -- from immigration and pork barrel spending to Social Security, health care, energy security and tax relief -- business-as-usual politics prevents addressing the important challenges facing our nation.

 

[Ollie]

Here is a different version. Does this help? Clarify his points?

No not really.
It's called pandering.
He gives the speaches people want to hear when they want to hear it.

"As president, I will secure the border. I will restore the trust Americans should have in the basic competency of their government."

Yet he refuses to enforce the laws, he insists we have to not only grant amnesty to criminals but we have to allow them to bring all their family members in to sponge off us also.

He stated at the Nation Counsel of LaRanza that he wanted to do away with boarders and allow anyone who wants a job in america come and get it.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.
He needs to make up his mind.
Either he is for the law and will enforce it or he won't and grants amnesty.

There is no middle ground.
You are either a law and order candidate or you arn't.

 

[ruffryder]

No not really.
It's called pandering.
He gives the speaches people want to hear when they want to hear it.

"As president, I will secure the border. I will restore the trust Americans should have in the basic competency of their government."

Yet he refuses to enforce the laws, he insists we have to not only grant amnesty to criminals but we have to allow them to bring all their family members in to sponge off us also.

He stated at the Nation Counsel of LaRanza that he wanted to do away with boarders and allow anyone who wants a job in america come and get it.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.
He needs to make up his mind.
Either he is for the law and will enforce it or he won't and grants amnesty.

There is no middle ground.
You are either a law and order candidate or you arn't.

Ooops, it was actually taken from McCains website.

 

[XC700116]

Ooops, it was actually taken from McCains website.

That's why I didn't want him as the Rep candidate either, but that's as good as we're gonna get for now.

Personally i would love to see a Pres Candidate that would base his/her platform on personal responsability, economic responsability, enforcement of the laws we already have instead of trying to come up with more, and defending the constitution instead of trying to manipulate it to say what would get them elected.

 

[Anti-Hero]

I know I will get a bunch of racist slurs but after all it was printed in The LA Times.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19,0,5335087.story

yeah this one too, this was Paul Shanklin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvXz2xaLNMQ

 

[milehighassassin]

my vote goes for the president who will legalize and tax the ever living chit out of marijuana. cut down on overpopulated prisons, criminal activities, drug trfficking, minor misdeamenors, and a large part of the organized drug lords.

I don't use marijuana, but I think it should be legalized. It is a safe drug. I actually lean more towards legalizing all drugs, I know, I don't expect many to agree with me but the "war" on drugs is not doing anything. Tax the hell out of drugs once you legalize them, after you do that you will basically de-criminalize the drug trade, then other areas of your crime will drop as well.

I think our prison system should be overhauled into a rehabilitation system instead of a lock them up system.

 

[Ollie]

I don't use marijuana, but I think it should be legalized. It is a safe drug. I actually lean more towards legalizing all drugs, I know, I don't expect many to agree with me but the "war" on drugs is not doing anything. Tax the hell out of drugs once you legalize them, after you do that you will basically de-criminalize the drug trade, then other areas of your crime will drop as well.

I think our prison system should be overhauled into a rehabilitation system instead of a lock them up system.

Anyone what to see milehighassassin have a heart attack???

I totally agree with that with one exception.

The three strikes law should be changed to 3 strikes you get the needle vs 3 strikes you get a free ride for the rest of your life.

If marijuana were legal you wouldn't see the abuse of so many other drugs. A lot of the more extreme drugs are used because they are cheaper and easier to get. Make it so you can go to the 7-11 and get a pack of columbia gold and you will see a huge drop in the hard core stuff. Majijuana is no harder to control than Booze.

 

[XC700116]

I don't use marijuana, but I think it should be legalized. It is a safe drug. I actually lean more towards legalizing all drugs, I know, I don't expect many to agree with me but the "war" on drugs is not doing anything. Tax the hell out of drugs once you legalize them, after you do that you will basically de-criminalize the drug trade, then other areas of your crime will drop as well.

I think our prison system should be overhauled into a rehabilitation system instead of a lock them up system.

I agree with you on the MJ even though I've never even tried it. However the rest of the lot needs to stay on lock down. I've seen entirely too many guys brains melted from Meth, Coke, H, and X. But I agree if everyone could just puff their Cheeba the draw to the rest wouldn't be so great.

 

[milehighassassin]

I agree with you on the MJ even though I've never even tried it. However the rest of the lot needs to stay on lock down. I've seen entirely too many guys brains melted from Meth, Coke, H, and X. But I agree if everyone could just puff their Cheeba the draw to the rest wouldn't be so great.

Exactly, and when more people see peoples brains melt from meth, etc, then they will make the decision to not do the drugs a well. People don't get to see them actually doing the drugs typically, and they don't always know the results. When people see the effects of drugs first hand they typically avoid them. Drugs already run in cycles. That is because one generation does a said drug, so the the generation behind them usually avoids them because they see how screwed up it makes you. So the 3rd generation who never got to see the cause and effect start experimenting.

Take the money we would save from the "war" on drugs and the money from the tax on it and educate the hell out of people (mostly kids) on the REAL (not the propaganda) problems with drugs.

 

[ruffryder]

I am curious as to if anyone has read all of the issues on the Obama website. A lot of them make sense and seem like good solutions to problems. Although a lot of holes can be put into anything he says by looking at him as just another lying democrat, saying anything. But what if he truly does mean everything he says? Would we recognize a genuine president anymore? Or have we been jaded so much, that we are all a bunch of cynics?

 

[bigdarrin]

I think I'm too jaded. If any of them say anything that I agree with I just assume they are lying. I have this attitude that no matter what they say between now and November, all bets are off once they put their hand on the bible and get sworn in. Once they start getting the money waved in their faces by the lobbyists they forget everything they stood for on the "outside."

Does that make me a cynic?

Darrin

 

[khaddon2110]

I think I'm too jaded. If any of them say anything that I agree with I just assume they are lying. I have this attitude that no matter what they say between now and November, all bets are off once they put their hand on the bible and get sworn in. Once they start getting the money waved in their faces by the lobbyists they forget everything they stood for on the "outside."

Does that make me a cynic?

Darrin

Or they put their hand on the Koran.......


I don't think that makes you a cynic, just means you have paid attention to history.

 

[XC700116]

I think I'm too jaded. If any of them say anything that I agree with I just assume they are lying. I have this attitude that no matter what they say between now and November, all bets are off once they put their hand on the bible and get sworn in. Once they start getting the money waved in their faces by the lobbyists they forget everything they stood for on the "outside."

Does that make me a cynic?

Darrin

Well you know what they say "once bitten, twice shy", I think everybody is on the defensive about career politicians. Which is part of the reason many like Obama his non-experience/limited time in the game is a selling point to many voters. I'm still not buying it though.

 

[XC700116]

I am curious as to if anyone has read all of the issues on the Obama website. A lot of them make sense and seem like good solutions to problems. Although a lot of holes can be put into anything he says by looking at him as just another lying democrat, saying anything. But what if he truly does mean everything he says? Would we recognize a genuine president anymore? Or have we been jaded so much, that we are all a bunch of cynics?

Not all but most. I will admit that I have a hard time believing anything on a politicians website especially when something changes in the "core values" parts of it which all 3 candidates have done to jockey for undecideds. An excellent writer can make just about anything look, on the surface, like a good plan and they all have them on their staffs.

I chose to look at voting records or in the case of governors I look at what they've vetoed or signed in on the issues that concern me more than anything when making my final decisions.