Anyone for Obama?

[winter brew]

I am curious as to if anyone has read all of the issues on the Obama website. A lot of them make sense and seem like good solutions to problems. Although a lot of holes can be put into anything he says by looking at him as just another lying democrat, saying anything. But what if he truly does mean everything he says? Would we recognize a genuine president anymore? Or have we been jaded so much, that we are all a bunch of cynics?

So true.....what's the old saying? How do you tell when a politician is lying......we al know the answer.
I was all set to vote for Mcain until I see him kissing the green extremist butt. Now, for the first time in my life I'm torn as to who will get my vote. I always voted mainly on environmental stance or for who had the hottest wife/daughter....I suppose Mcain's wife is pretty nice for a older woman.

 

[ruffryder]

I chose to look at voting records or in the case of governors I look at what they've vetoed or signed in on the issues that concern me more than anything when making my final decisions.

I worry about the validity of this method. With all the pork and crap that is being put onto bills these days, people might not vote for a good bill because of it. It is funny that the farm bill just passed has lots of stuff that has nothing to do with farming... I guess that is what they call bipartisanship. They work together to screw us.

 

[XC700116]

I worry about the validity of this method. With all the pork and crap that is being put onto bills these days, people might not vote for a good bill because of it. It is funny that the farm bill just passed has lots of stuff that has nothing to do with farming... I guess that is what they call bipartisanship. They work together to screw us.

Thats no chit!!!! Just like the last Iraq War Funding bill that had a ton of domestic spending attached to it that had nothing to do with the war, troops or vets. This is why I also feel there is a need for Line item Veto. This sneaking stuff in under the umbrella of a bill that has nothing to do with it is BS. This is a Tactic that has been used by both sides but one that enviro-nuts have been particularly fond of.

 

[milehighassassin]

Thats no chit!!!! Just like the last Iraq War Funding bill that had a ton of domestic spending attached to it that had nothing to do with the war, troops or vets. This is why I also feel there is a need for Line item Veto. This sneaking stuff in under the umbrella of a bill that has nothing to do with it is BS. This is a Tactic that has been used by both sides but one that enviro-nuts have been particularly fond of.

I thought the domestic stuff was for the soldiers when they got back. It increased the amount of Education money they got, increased mental health funding for troops and other medical care.

From what I read that is what was attached. Bush wanted it all for the foreign war.

 

[Dogmeat]

I thought the domestic stuff was for the soldiers when they got back. It increased the amount of Education money they got, increased mental health funding for troops and other medical care.

From what I read that is what was attached. Bush wanted it all for the foreign war.

I think it's probably pretty safe to assume that any spending bill in congress, be it a war funding bill, whatever kind of bill, is completley ridden with useless bull**** earmarks to fund whatever crap somebody's brothers' sisters' cousin wanted back home ...

 

[XC700116]

I thought the domestic stuff was for the soldiers when they got back. It increased the amount of Education money they got, increased mental health funding for troops and other medical care.

From what I read that is what was attached. Bush wanted it all for the foreign war.

There was 47 billion dollar for extension of unemployment benefits for 13 weeks and free tuition for the general public.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/05/22/MNGF10R490.DTL

Paid for by an additional sur tax on individuals that make more than 500K or couples more than 1M. I don't care who you are that is redistribution of wealth hidden in a completely irrelevant bill.

 

[Sturgis Sledder]

If Obama or Clinton had any of the answers for "fixing the problem" why haven't they pushed it thru congress as the Dems do control Congress. It seems that most of the bad crap lately has happened since the dems took control of everything but the White House.

 

[Ollie]

I thought the domestic stuff was for the soldiers when they got back. It increased the amount of Education money they got, increased mental health funding for troops and other medical care.

From what I read that is what was attached. Bush wanted it all for the foreign war.

There is some of that still in there.
However, there was also amnesty for illigal immigrants, a 2 fold increase in H2B visa's for high tech foreign workers, an increase in farm subsides, new construction and road projects. I am not saying that some of the things arn't possibly needed (except the H2B and Amnesty parts), however they should be stand alone bills, not inserted as an attempt to get unwanted, unneeded or unpopular legislation thru.

When the dems took power they swore they wouldn't pull this non-sence. Since they took over it has gotten worse.

 

[Meatman]

If Obama or Clinton had any of the answers for "fixing the problem" why haven't they pushed it thru congress as the Dems do control Congress. It seems that most of the bad crap lately has happened since the dems took control of everything but the White House.

i thought i was the only one who noticed this

 

[Sturgis Sledder]

i thought i was the only one who noticed this

No you aren't, but nobody seems to be talking about it.

 

[ruffryder]

No you aren't, but nobody seems to be talking about it.

I thought it was because the republicans didn't fix it back when they were in control either. Or should we block that out as well? I think you guys forget that control means they have a majority, not that they can get passed whatever the heck they want.

 

[Sturgis Sledder]

I thought it was because the republicans didn't fix it back when they were in control either. Or should we block that out as well?

If you happen to notice the largest jump in prices have happened in the last couple of years, while the Democrats have been the controlling party. I suppose Al Gore or John Kerry could have led us through these times so much better?

 

[ruffryder]

If you happen to notice the largest jump in prices have happened in the last couple of years, while the Democrats have been the controlling party. I suppose Al Gore or John Kerry could have led us through these times so much better?

Nobody can know that for certain, which is why you asked. It is just that blaming the controlling party for problems is a copout regardless of what party controls it.

 

[Sturgis Sledder]

Nobody can know that for certain, which is why you asked. It is just that blaming the controlling party for problems is a copout regardless of what party controls it.

Hmmmmm.

John Kerry is a member of the Democratic Leadership Council, which advocates centrist and liberal positions. Most analyses place Kerry's voting record on the left within the Senate Democratic caucus. During the 2004 presidential election he was portrayed as a staunch liberal by conservative special interest groups and the Bush campaign, who often noted that in 2003 Kerry was rated the National Journal's top Senate liberal. However, that rating was based only upon voting on legislation within that past year.

Kerry has stated that he supports civil unions for same-sex couples, opposes capital punishment except for terrorists, and supports most gun control laws.



Hmmm I think NOT ! ! !

 

[ruffryder]

Hmmmmm.

John Kerry is a member of the Democratic Leadership Council, which advocates centrist and liberal positions. Most analyses place Kerry's voting record on the left within the Senate Democratic caucus. During the 2004 presidential election he was portrayed as a staunch liberal by conservative special interest groups and the Bush campaign, who often noted that in 2003 Kerry was rated the National Journal's top Senate liberal. However, that rating was based only upon voting on legislation within that past year.

Kerry has stated that he supports civil unions for same-sex couples, opposes capital punishment except for terrorists, and supports most gun control laws.



Hmmm I think NOT ! ! !

That has to be the poorest argument for Kerry doing worse then Bush ever! All you said was that he is a liberal!

edit. Sorry man, that was harsh of me. You are probably right, Bush is a strong president, and I like a lot of the things he stands for. Kerry would probably bend over to the terrorists and say "Thanks you may I have another"

 

[Ollie]

Nobody can know that for certain, which is why you asked. It is just that blaming the controlling party for problems is a copout regardless of what party controls it.

A little history.
Clinton gutted the economy to show the people he could balance the budget.
Yep he did, and he did a great job of hiding the fact that as a result of what he did the economy was about to tank. The instant Bush took over the info about the economy hit the news and who got the blame??

Bush of cource.
The blame game is the norm in washintong. If you are in control when the chit hits the fan, it's your fault.
When it comes to politics the blame game is the name of the game. It is also knows as deflection. You don't want people to realize both parties are to blame. The old adage, it takes 2 to tango.

Now the fun part of this coming presidential race is going to see how the dems can try to deflect the blame. They were in control. they ran on the campaign of getting the US out of Iraq. They didn't do it. They were in control, they should have been able to do it. The economy took the most serious tank since the 70's. They were in control. Should be fun.

Gonna get NASTY.

 

[XC700116]

A little history.
Clinton gutted the economy to show the people he could balance the budget.
Yep he did, and he did a great job of hiding the fact that as a result of what he did the economy was about to tank. The instant Bush took over the info about the economy hit the news and who got the blame??

Bush of cource.
The blame game is the norm in washintong. If you are in control when the chit hits the fan, it's your fault.
When it comes to politics the blame game is the name of the game. It is also knows as deflection. You don't want people to realize both parties are to blame. The old adage, it takes 2 to tango.

Now the fun part of this coming presidential race is going to see how the dems can try to deflect the blame. They were in control. they ran on the campaign of getting the US out of Iraq. They didn't do it. They were in control, they should have been able to do it. The economy took the most serious tank since the 70's. They were in control. Should be fun.

Gonna get NASTY.

I just hope we don't loose our AZZ's in Taxes, lost gun rights, and a Welfare Explosion in the process.

 

[H2SNOW]

and Alah is king ..........................any questions ???

 

[Anti-Hero]

allah my ducks in a row?