$7 gas

[powdersledder]

you got it wrong!!!!


the tax would come from the oil companies,it(tax) would still being paid ,just not by us.she would be sticking it to the oil companies
....for once...

shes has a great idea.....make the oil companies give up some of those profits toward the gas tax....she has my vote,because now she is talking about making it permanent....also shes is talking about a profit cap for the oil companies...so they can only profit so many %...instead now they can earn as much as they want.....this is good for us(snowmobilers) and any recreation sport.

You can't be serious??? Penalizing a business for being successful is NOT the way America works. If this happens do you think the oil companies will just take it and NOT pass on this new tax to the user (us)??? So they raise their costs to maintain their profits (which really aren't that high % wise) and then when the gas tax holiday is over we will be stuck paying MORE than if it never happened. It's only 18.4 cents/gallon anyway.....about 30 cents/day for the average American. A TERRIBLE PLAN!!
Not to mention, if she gets elected, she wants to put wacko Gore in charge of the environment plan and we stand a good chance of losing ALOT of riding area, perhaps the right to ride at all if he gets his way....his goal is to eliminate the internal combustion engine.

Exactly, the people running the oil companies are not retarded, just cold hearted. If the government taxes them more they will charge more. For those of you that live near a state line where one state charges more gas taxes than the other what do you notice? The gas station in the state that charges more tax has higher prices! They are not going to lose profit just because they are being taxed more, they are going to pass it onto the consumer.

Now for a little side tracking.....As for the presidential candidates this year, they are some of the most deceitful bastards I have ever seen. And they are lying in plain site! Just a few years ago Hitlery was a major advocate for private healthcare companies and oil companies, but now she is condeming the big corporate fat cats because "she and every other working class American doesn't like the way they do business"

 

[xsummitx]

Let's look at what is needed for the current person to live today......reverse math per family for a needed yearly salary.

$15K (min) for retirement + $3400 yearly gas($65/wk)+ $2500 (min) Insurance (vehicle & home) + $7800 groceries ($150/wk) + $6760 medical Insurance ($130/wk) + $1200 (property tax) + $2500 (min) home heating + $900 electric ($75/month) + $7200 house payment ($600/mo..not mine but picked avg) + $3600 vehicle payment ($300/month) + $3000 college loans ($250/month)= $53,860 take home/yr

This is certainly without governmental taxes taxen out of your paycheck. For a safety factor use 1.25-1.5 times for take home pay.....of 1.5 safety factor would be a take home pay of $80,790to live decent.....Remember uncle sam will get most of your pay prior to taking anything even home.......I really hope you college bound students are looking to become millionaires, if not forget about college, you may never be able to pay off your college loans......pretty scary!!

dude you put yourself there,i have no school loans,no car payment,no house payment,paid retirement(am retired at 32),full health-dental insurance,$213 in prop. taxes for 3 props(off the beaten path).spend $300 week in gas,drive alot being off the beaten path.$1700/yr in car/home insurance(and self insure so the money make interest).$75/week food we buy nothing boxed or prepared(family of 6)and lots of bulk.no tv only internet/phone $900/year-no cell phones .225/month heat and elec.we have $12,000 yearly cost,of the $40,000 profit we see.you should have made better choices as a 16 year old.and when my wife graduates with no loans we'll have $120,000 of income.only spending 10%.that is how Foreigners come here and succeed,most americans are wasters.i have learned so much from working with them.and adapted their ways.you can live a very simple well planned life here for under $10,000 after 10 years of hard work and good planning.i did it in 4 years.and when we spend the 40k for a complete wind and solar system,our energy cost will be gone and we'll make $250-$400 a month

 

[xsummitx]

Exactly, the people running the oil companies are not retarded, just cold hearted. If the government taxes them more they will charge more. For those of you that live near a state line where one state charges more gas taxes than the other what do you notice? The gas station in the state that charges more tax has higher prices! They are not going to lose profit just because they are being taxed more, they are going to pass it onto the consumer.

Now for a little side tracking.....As for the presidential candidates this year, they are some of the most deceitful bastards I have ever seen. And they are lying in plain site! Just a few years ago Hitlery was a major advocate for private healthcare companies and oil companies, but now she is condeming the big corporate fat cats because "she and every other working class American doesn't like the way they do business"

if ther is a % cap they can't make more,thats the beauty of it.like said before it would just like anti-trust,,,limiting what they can make.taking away the free mountains of profit...will it happen...????we can hope.

hope in one hand and cr@P in the other and see which fills first.

 

[snowfarmer]

ya i feel sorry for you city guys filling a truck for around a 160 bucks. think of this, it costs around $1000 bucks to fill a tractor in 3 days of hard pulling its gone. Bigger the farm....well you get the point. Our tractor uses 0.5 gal/acre to put in a crop.

 

[snowmobiler]

wow.75 a week for food for 6.i choose to enjoy life and not buy top ramen for supper.im proud to be an american waster

 

[Beels]

I just bought a pair of high end snow go boots for $250. Nice boots, made in china, wish I had looked at the tag before I bought them. I only buy USA or Canada if I can. Someone here mentioned Wal-Mart. Go there, spend ten bucks to save a buck, then that ten bucks goes to china and is used to buy oil pushing up the demand, also known as cost, of oil. We are the ones pushing up energy costs and screwing up the economy. Buy American, and ask tough questions, like why does HMK manufacture it’s boots in china and why are Democrats playing politics with this countries energy needs.
This Alaskan supports oil development in Alaska, if your rep. in Washington doesn’t call him and btch. Act now or the only people that will be able to afford gas in the future will be Al Gore , Barbra Streisand and Opra , and I doubt they ride.

You are way oversimplifying the "Made in China" issue. If you look at what the labor market dictates for wages in North America, versus Asia, what would you expect to pay for the same boots, if made here? It's just not possible in this day and age. Everyone expects more for less.

What I blame for skyrocketing gas prices is the instability in other sectors of the market and investors have smartened up and realized our dependence on gasoline and are flocking to the futures market. We can't just stop buying gas. No two ways about it and they know that. I've tried to cut down making useless trips in the vehicle, but I'm not driving a whole bunch less than in the past. The same goes for most other people. We're hooked, and everyone knows it.

 

[R J]

WallStreet (Goldman Sachs) now says $200 per barrel is a possibility.

200/122 x 3.999 (premium current price) = $6.67

Would this put a damper on sledding???

Um, yes but sledding wouldn't be the only thing. The united states would not whether that very well at all. Job loses, poverty, theft, violence etc. There is a line that hasn't been crossed yet but it's approaching that.

As with every day the oil goes up the dollar gets a bit weaker which makes the oil go up which makes the dollar weaker and so on and so forth. There will have to be a correction coming eventually. Just like the housing market, things can't last for ever.

Goldman is always on the forefront of high prices as they have a lot invested into that arena. They along with Bloomberg were saying $100.00 a barrel about 4 years ago and it took this long to get there. Sure they were right but anyone can make those predictions and eventually they will come to bear fruit.

Demand in the US is already down, it won't be long before other countries feel it as well but it will be a while since everything is bought on the dollar. Other countries are getting cheap oil right now because their dollars are worth so much more then what they used to be.

 

[xsummitx]

wow.75 a week for food for 6.i choose to enjoy life and not buy top ramen for supper.im proud to be an american waster

not likely...that would be packaged....we make our own,everything from scratch.A-1 gourmet,every meal....like i said in bulk,beef,pork,chicken,flour,salt sugar,etc...grow our own spices,costs nothing but time..
we had turkey,fresh mashed taters,fresh corn,home made stuffing and gravey,from scratch rolls and apple pie-tonight

our friends and family beg to eat at our house.

 

[snowmobiler]

yum,yum.sounds good.and it sounds like your happy and thats what counts

 

[xsummitx]

yum,yum.sounds good.and it sounds like your happy and thats what counts

we're moving that way,when we do i 'll cook for once...but you can't eat over every night.lol....i have everything for sale here once its gone ,so are we.....cashing in on my hard work...and going into play mode.

 

[snowmobiler]

cool.hurry

 

[justadude]

I choose to ignore the emotions this brings. I'm just careful with all my money not just gas expenditures, so I can do what I want petro wise when I want.

 

[tudizzle]

I want to move to Fantasy Island where xsummitx lives.......


But I read it on the internet....it must be true!

 

[IceCap]

WOW... thats a lot of intense good reading. You guy's have a lot of good points!

 

[PowderMiner]

Some people are begging for communism!

Communism dose not work, but I’ll be one of the people who you give the power to, and I’ll agree that we should cut your pay and decide where you work.

Instead of buying all that pot, you should have invested in some oil companies then we could steal the money from you and waste it on some other people who spend their $, that could have bought fuel to get their kids to school, on some crack.

The oil companies pay ~40% tax on their profits; investors pay 15-36% on the profit. Average pot smoker? Hint, not as much!

If you can’t afford to sled, quit, go back to school, work some OT, don’t buy drugs, buy a house, invest in your retirement, get your life together, then buy a sled and enjoy life.

Inflation, recession, speculation, risk are all part of economic cycles. It is not the taxpayer’s responsibility to ensure everyone has fuel.

Hey while were regulating everything the way I think it should be, I am the only one allowed to ride over 1000’ and I’m the only one allowed to fish from a boat! If you really care about the people of America, the environment, the economy you will support required drug screening for any public $. If you receive any public benefit; pay, welfares, school, unemployment, grants, ect. Why should I have to pay for your self destruction?

A vote for any democrat is ten fold the votes toward eliminating things such as snowmobiling.

 

[MARV1]

Hmm, new President will take office next year and pull the troops out of Iraq and surrounding countries, price of fuel will start dropping afterwards. The moment Bush took office and made the Middle East his #1 priority the price of fuel started rising. Think about it.

 

[onlyrotax]

Hmm, new President will take office next year and pull the troops out of Iraq and surrounding countries, price of fuel will start dropping afterwards. The moment Bush took office and made the Middle East his #1 priority the price of fuel started rising. Think about it.

Let's see, Obama gets elected, pulls troops out of middle east, terrorists (Iran) take over Iraq and then move in to Saudi Arabia, mmmh I wonder what that will do for the price of oil when terrorists (Iran) have control of the middle east and the oil fields ??????????????? But then again there is all those virgins the terrorists keep talking about !!

 

[oneshotcrew]

not all oil comes from the middle east smart guy...

either way, i'm not down for the argue effort...

gas is way to f**ckin expensive, even when u can afford it.. keep this sh!T up though and i wont be able to.. and as someone else stated as well, its going to effect EVERYTHING and already is.. the price of food is at a constant rise right now to.. just wait for $1 top ramen instead of 10 for a $1

 

[powdersledder]

if ther is a % cap they can't make more,thats the beauty of it.like said before it would just like anti-trust,,,limiting what they can make.taking away the free mountains of profit...will it happen...????we can hope.

hope in one hand and cr@P in the other and see which fills first.

See now thats the problem, you need to walk a fine line here. You cannot just go around saying "that a company can only make X amount of money, if they make more we are going to tax it out of them" After that whats next? start taxing more and more money out of pro athletes and celebrities? Do they need the money, no. But do they have a right to keep it, yes.

What the government needs to do is give the oil companies incentives in lowering prices. Tax breaks on new refineries instead of restricting them. There are a lot of things the oil companies could do to continue padding their pockets yet lessen the strain on everyone else's.

Demand in the US is already down, it won't be long before other countries feel it as well but it will be a while since everything is bought on the dollar. Other countries are getting cheap oil right now because their dollars are worth so much more then what they used to be.

As much as we in America ***** about our prices we do actually have it pretty easy. In England right now gas is $10/gal (USD), in Canada its over $5 (USD)

I want to move to Fantasy Island where xsummitx lives.......

Me too

 

[BottomFeeder m7.]

yea gas is getting really spendy. were gona buy a Barrel of 112 next year. 50 gallons. I hate to think whats its gona cost But this sport is worth every penny. You have a 2-34k Mod sled and ur Talking about 7 bucks a gallon. LOL