$7 gas

[powdersledder]

Totally agree. I had a place mat once, had all the presidents on it and other info. Once thing that got my attention was that in the beginning the people who were presidents did something else... like doctors, lawyers, engineers, military personnel, business people (not sure on that one). Towards the end it was all politicians as careers. We need people with more experience out in the rest of the world, rather then people expert at playing the game.

Exactly, what we need to do is find a way to take away the high salaries that politicians get. Being in any office (be it president, senator, governor, mayor etc) should be a position you take because you care about our country, not because you get a fat paycheck for the rest of your life. We need a new system that only gives politicians enough money to live off of, but not enough to be able to afford anything they want, maybe have a salary low enough where politicians are financially limited to 4 terms, that way if they stayed in office longer than 4 years and didn't go back to their regular jobs they'd end up losing a lot of money.

because you all know that 90% of all politicians in office would not be there if it weren't for the salary they receive. And 100% of them would be against changing the way the salary in such a way. Because, for those of you that don't know, congress sets its own salary. Wouldn't that be nice? Just go up to your coworkers ans say "you know what, we need a raise again" "well ok i think your right"

 

[travydog]

ok now there is a reason all the land got put into crp in the first place especialy around here. It is not good ground to raise a crop on, it was the worste soil, and it usualy had alot of water on it in slues and such. That is why we put land in crp. Does anyone take into acount that if you look at the farm bills that all the food stamps and all the subsidies that all the city people get come out of the farm bill. 85 percent of the money that is allocated to the farm bill goes to all the food stamps, heating assistance, daycare assistance, and only 15 percent actually is given out to the farmers in subsidys. So before everyone goes on a good binder and bashes the farmers how we are maken so much money because corn is up do some reasearch. The marketes have been the same since the 50's and 60's till now. And all our inputs have went threw the roof. All our chemicals and fert have went up twice to four times as much as last year and are going to go up next year again the seed producers have all ready told us that in 2009 a bag a seed will go up atleast another 60 for no reason just so they can take there slice of the pie off of us.

 

[TWISTER]

Travy i am like you grew up in the farming community and all of my family is still there. The problem with the farmers subsidities is which farmers are getting 80% of the money.
Take a look at who gets the most money every year, in the state of sd the person getting the most is a bank. Why in gods name aren't you farmers screaming bloody murder, the money was supposed to help the little guys. Also every big operation is bilking the system screwing the little guy and the gov. They figured out that since one person can only get so much per year they have put land into every family members name to double/tripple/quadruple their take from the gov. Also if the gov pulled the subsidies from ethanol they would shut the plants down within minutes. Look at who the ethanol investers are mostly farmers. If ethanol is the next best thing why is it that big oil isn't sinking piles of money into it. Just wait and see, I bet that big oil knows the rug is gonna get pulled out from under ethanol.

Also as stated before the only reason crude price is where its at is because of speculators running it up for no reason other than to try and make up for losses from the housing market bubble burst.

If the farming community had half a brain it would learn how to stick together like big oil does. Farmers could set the price for their grain and livestock the problem is they got so used to getting a check from the gov not to do farm that they cannot get out of the rut it is in.

As long as i am writing a novel. What the hell is wrong with the people in this state. Everyone is *****ing about gas prices, but fighting a pipeline and refinery being built here. These things will only help the state and our local economy. Put it to a vote and overide the few people that are holding out just to get a little more money for the pipeline to run under their land. I don't see anyone complaining about putting water and elect lines under their land. And don't even go there the pipelines are very very safe with secondary containment.

Term limits is what this country needs to end all the money under the table crap/pork barrel spending crap and take it out of the equation. Remember it will also take away the power of the lobbyist groups big oil/banking/airlines/pharmacutical co's/etc. oh yea farmers too.

Policy changes with the middle east would help tons. If they have no food from our farmers they would change their tune real fast. It is not our responsability to feed the world for free. Who do you think would fold first mid east with no food but lots of oil or north america with food and oil we just need to grow a set.

 

[xrated]

The problem with the farmers subsidities is which farmers are getting 80% of the money.
Take a look at who gets the most money every year,

bingo, ya found my bone with it all. Course having all of the welfare stuff lumped in makes the numbers look bad.

My fear with CRP land is that with prices being so high, farmers will be more willing to drain those bad fields and plant.

 

[hilinerider]

i can see your dilema with sloughs and what not, but it takes water to do that, don't have that problem here, in mt. farmers make up shell companies and partnerships and file for the gov. subsidies along with every brother and shirttail relative, sd has a good thing goin with the bakken play if they get the pipe in and the refinery, too bad they just can't see it, with the tax structure they should be able to lower state sales and other taxes, course that won't happen

 

[travydog]

I agree with you last few guys not letting the pipeline in is so stupid i dont get that one, but another thing i dont get is why cant the gov just take the land with eminient(sorry for the spelling) domain? I have not been following it to close since it really doesnt come close to me.

 

[Beels]

I'm not joking. You telling me that every available acre being farmed, and the subsequent tileling, and fert, use of extra water is good? Sure deer may love farmland, but other critters require other things.

Southern MN had terribel flooding last year with up to 18" of rain in one day. Streams flooded out terrible. Are you telling me that the damage would have been as bad if everything wasn't tilled, tiled and such?

I'm just saying planting crops all over isn't really the best thing all the time.

Up here, there's next to no irrigation, and tiling is non-existant. Complete dryland farming.

What I don't get is how some people are all for government intervention and manipulating a business like farming? Let the market dictate what is grown on the land and how much of it. CRP land is socialism at it's finest.

 

[xrated]

CRP land is socialism at it's finest

Well then in this case you can call me a socialist then. If thinking that there are more important things then crops and cash flow makes me a pinko then so be it.

 

[Beels]

CRP land is socialism at it's finest

Well then in this case you can call me a socialist then. If thinking that there are more important things then crops and cash flow makes me a pinko then so be it.

Well, what is it then?

The feds are directly manipulating the volume of grain being produced.

 

[xrated]

Well, what is it then?

The feds are directly manipulating the volume of grain being produced.

And they are also throwing a bone to wildlife...so like I said paint me pink if that's what it means.

 

[Melonhead]

Well, what is it then?

The feds are directly manipulating the volume of grain being produced.

exactly

 

[travydog]

I am going to laugh when all the farmers pull there ground out of crp or break up all the pasture land and farm it. When you put all those acres back into production you will flood the market and the prices of grains will come back down. BUT the price at the grocery store will be the same if not higher. I will sit back and laugh becuase all those people will have sold there cattle hurds to chase this high makets on grian and the prices i get for my cattle will be on the good side. But wait then us cattle men will be actualy maken money and that will get out and they everyone will say you should be a vegitarion or something, man i just cant win. I guess everyone in the farming and ranching business should just quit and go get a job at mcdonalds or something , oh ya without farmers there wont be any beef or food hmmmmm what a delema.

 

[IQ?]

In sweden 14$ a gallon.
7$ is cheap...
And i drive a Hemi ram and race gas Turbo sleds...

Wait until your up to 10$ than you feel real sad...
Ed

 

[cmantle1]

In sweden 14$ a gallon.
7$ is cheap...
And i drive a Hemi ram and race gas Turbo sleds...

Wait until your up to 10$ than you feel real sad...
Ed

THATS DEDICATION!

When gas hits 7 or 8 consistantly, my sled will be gone.

I have more important things in life to spend money on.

 

[graveler]

THATS DEDICATION!

When gas hits 7 or 8 consistantly, my sled will be gone.

I have more important things in life to spend money on.

to bad the paycheck has not gone up as fast as fuel

 

[dmkhnr]

Like WinterBrew said, the oil companies have been investigated extensively and have been found to have done nothing wrong.

So was Iraq and Saddam, and guess what, they found nothing wrong. (Nuclear WMD)

Fact is:
The only thing any of us are going to do about the rise in fuel is pay what big business charges for it.
It's over our heads and out of our control (Trillions of dollars). We as consumers cut back on our oil consumption, and our U.S. gov buys up the slack to fill its reserves, meanwhile sharing in its huge profits on the private sector. Greed and big business over all of our heads.

The effects are going to start (and we're seeing it now) with our disposable income (10k sleds, 3k mods, 3 rides a week, out to dinner with wifey 3 times a week, $125 round of golf, $50 bottles of wine or whatever your pleasure.) I see people now having to pick and choose where their monies are spent rather than going about without even thinking about throwing down their plastic. Disposable spending will slowly become less and less, and thats where we take our hit.
Think about it, one of the main topics in this thread is "are we going to have to sled less next season".

 

[powdersnobb]

Hitlery's idea would not work. If the oil companies were taxed instead of us they would then just raise the price of their product to compensate themselves. They will get their money no matter what. Either way if she was to win she would not even be in office until next summer. She like all the rest are full of horse poo. We are all screwed as far as gas prices go because we keep on using more of it all the time. I for one will still ride! What's life worth if your not having fun!!!