2013 Doo (not impressed)

[snow4shover]

So Mr. Geometry.....Do you know what arc length is?

Cause 4 degrees on a radius of an 1 inch isn't much.....but 4 degrees on a radius of 12 inches is alot more.

It doesn't even move 4 degrees. 4 in total, but it will only move 2 degrees to either side from 90.

To illustrate just how little that is.

I dunno? I'll reserve judgement until I try it... it just doesn't seem like it will even be noticeable though.

 

[gman086]

I am working through this....

http://www.recover-from-grief.com/7-stages-of-grief.html

Yup, they're in stage one (shock & denial) over on Dootalk right now.

But hey, they do have BNP (bold new plastic), a glove box and... an LED taillight and ported flap, LOL! I was a huge Doo fan for years but, I'm sorry, they've lost my interest for some time now for the mtn. segment (their flatlander sleds are still tops). Anyone else notice how narrow the running boards are further aft? Even my feet won't fit on those things! Tilt suspension just sounds gimmicky to me - would really be concerned about side-loaded landings like whipping off of cornice faces. Hopefully they'll prove me wrong but I've bent plenty of their standard skid arms and throttle rods to know that I'm not. The track actually sounds like a good idea - especially since they insist on sticking with the 16 wides.

Have FUN!

G MAN

 

[Demo250]

So Mr. Geometry.....Do you know what arc length is?

Cause 4 degrees on a radius of an 1 inch isn't much.....but 4 degrees on a radius of 12 inches is alot more.

No kidding.

If treemagnets calculations are correct, than the skid will move 0.42 inches to either side. (If the pivoting arm in question is a foot long)

Yep... 0.42 inches, or approximately 1 CM. Or 10 whole mm. I'm standing by what I said earlier... that seems like nothing. But again, like I said earlier, I'll reserve final judgement until after I have ridden it.

Thanks for the reply Mr. Doo Ambassador.

 

[richracer1]

I think a lot of people really thought Ski-doo was going to drop a "bomb" on the world like Polaris did for 2011.

They did, but it was a turd bomb.

Now, no joking around, I was hoping Doo would've dropped the "bomb" all the Doo diehards were hoping for. This only benefits all of us, well all most all of us, the exception being the Yammies.

 

[Daggerboat]

So what is the weight of the shorter track summimt?

 

[Demo250]

So what is the weight of the shorter track summimt?

459 SP and 454 for the X - 146"

Edit: And with that being said... this doesn't make any sense to me.

The X is lighter in the 146" version. They are the same weight for the 154" at 464. And for 163" the SP is lighter? 469 vs 472. You would think if one model of the X was lighter than the SP, they would all be lighter by roughly that same margin? I wonder what makes the X gain more weight than the SP as the length increases?

 

[tek9tim]

I think the Doo would have made more of a splash if Polaris hadn't released a 417 pound belt driven sled just before. They can at least say they improved handling (presumed), but can't say anything about the weight. Or clutching either. Bummer. I hoped they would blow us away just to further the sport.

 

[akgiauque]

I agree may not be the game changer but I like the sled, I think it looks great. I like the OD Green way better than the white last year. Semper Fi, I like green! One thing I also like is the painted tunnels, seem to shed the snow very well. Wish the Pro had this option.
IMO no one has the fit and finish of a Doo. The pannels fit well and there is no issues of moving the belt holder so my panels fit again.
The Etec is a beast of a motor, not many complaints from the guys I know with one.
The open foot well is a great design, prevents ice build up and allows for the rider to move weight father forward.
Like the seat box and glove warmer. So what if it was used on another sled, a good idea is still a good idea on another brand.

It Not sure how the track and T-motion will be, you never know it may be the next A-Arm. We may all be waiting for a patent to run out so it can be used on our sled.
Lower seats, not my thing. Hoping for a seat option in 2014 like we had in 12.

Either way it will be interesting to see how this thing goes. If it goes well then we may see a HP & performance bump and that would be a good thing.

 

[Rick!]

Let's see. 4deg. While that might not sound like much, it is 4deg at, say 1ft. That equates to what exactly? Well, if my triangle maths is up to speed (12 tan (4))=x) then we can say a movement of about 0.84in. That is quite a bit. More than I am currently comfortable with...

It doesn't even move 4 degrees. 4 in total, but it will only move 2 degrees to either side from 90.

To illustrate just how little that is.

I dunno? I'll reserve judgement until I try it... it just doesn't seem like it will even be noticeable though.

So Mr. Geometry.....Do you know what arc length is?

Cause 4 degrees on a radius of an 1 inch isn't much.....but 4 degrees on a radius of 12 inches is alot more.

All depends on your frame of reference: the sled goes tilty a bit if you look at it from the track's perspective or the track goes tilty a teeny bit if you look at it from the running board. Has anybody really looked at the CAD rendering of the front torque arm? Slidey thingies at the top cross shaft? Round to square to round tube? Whodathunkit? They should at least include all the parts in a marketing pic.

http://maxsled.com/snowmobile/2013-ski-doo-snowmobile-model-lineup/

scroll down to the summit stuff and click on the rear skid.

The deal maker for me is the grippies on the top of the upper ball joint.

 

[HighmarkerX]

ya, does anyone have a pic or video of someone riding a sled with their foot on top of the front spindle??????!!!! The marketing person responsible for that needs to be let go..Or I am missing something???

"For extreme riders, the spindles are built with a boot grip to get further forward and allow you to turn the skis without losing footing."

One plus note for Doo, they did a way better job making a clean looking goggle compartment versus the aftermarket bag that Polaris did. I like the seat and tank of the doo and the painted tunnel...Polaris engineers need to understand about the snow collecting to raw aluminum...

 

[The Fourth Wolf]

Say, where's fredw? Prolly sitting in a dark corner, arms wrapped tightly around himself, mumbling quietly....horsssssepowah.....horssssssepowahhhhh.

Just in case though, SW should monitor the suicide hotlines.

 

[mtevoracer]

Say, where's fredw? Prolly sitting in a dark corner, arms wrapped tightly around himself, mumbling quietly....horsssssepowah.....horssssssepowahhhhh.

Just in case though, SW should monitor the suicide hotlines.

Now that's funny! That is what my doo friends keep muttering. I think they are still in shock, but one of them is switching to polaris next year. I was glad to here this. I was worried that my doo buddies were all idiots.... well all but one isn't.

 

[Xrider]

Ya, I'd have to say definitely not a game changer but overall pretty nice sled but then again so was the 12 XP. If Poo can figure out how to get a little more power out of that motor, that would prolly sway me to the dark side, for now pretty close call.

 

[snowmobiler]

maybe santa will bring u guys some real HP next year.LOL.

 

[sled_guy]

All depends on your frame of reference: the sled goes tilty a bit if you look at it from the track's perspective or the track goes tilty a teeny bit if you look at it from the running board. Has anybody really looked at the CAD rendering of the front torque arm? Slidey thingies at the top cross shaft? Round to square to round tube? Whodathunkit? They should at least include all the parts in a marketing pic.

http://maxsled.com/snowmobile/2013-ski-doo-snowmobile-model-lineup/

scroll down to the summit stuff and click on the rear skid.

The deal maker for me is the grippies on the top of the upper ball joint.

I'm not following you Rick!, tell me exactly what you are pointing out.

sled_guy

 

[tdblakes]

maybe santa will bring u guys some real HP next year.LOL.

and maybe Skidoo will bring you guys something new and exciting next year lol

(sled diet plan maybe?... better be nice this year!)

 

[Teth-Air]

I have a 11 etec XP and a 10 Polaris RMK 700. I am not against upgrading the 700 to a Pro soon but everytime I ride with them I have to admit I can no longer stand the smoke smell and farty idle that these motors have. I have really been spoiled by the etec. The SDI and carb motors seem so old school now. (all brands).

 

[Hurricane Tim]

I have a 11 etec XP and a 10 Polaris RMK 700. I am not against upgrading the 700 to a Pro soon but everytime I ride with them I have to admit I can no longer stand the smoke smell and farty idle that these motors have. I have really been spoiled by the etec. The SDI and carb motors seem so old school now. (all brands).

You only notice the smoke when they are idling, of which I do very little of. Grab a handful of flipper, and the smoke goes bye bye. I also have an E-Tec, and it is quite a motor, but the clutching kills it in my opinion. I don't see that Doo changed anything with the clutches for 2013, and I will not own another one until they address them.

 

[ndC7M8]

Oh sh*t, I thought I was in the Pro-Ride section......

 

[m8sandman]

i really thought doo would have put out a new chassis this year. with sooooo many peeps changing to the pro thought they would have been set to at least hold on to some of those folks, can feel the floor vibrating from the hoards of folks getting in line for a new poo can't say i can blame them, i'll take lighter over more hp anyday. a 47lb difference is a hard thing to overcome. for technical/deep pow riding the pro is the one and poo just keeps making it better...