2 strokes complete standalone ecu for t-m8 and t-m1000

[Boyko]

Just wondering how much boost you are running and what size of extra injector are you have on your test sled. What fuel are you running? Not all fuels have the same specific gravity

Did you ever talk to Artic Cat about there ECU, it seems to have extra channels in so you could possibly run a map sensor for boost and maybe even extra injectors. You never know how much support you can get from them. It would be nice just to reflash your stock ECU and run a few extra wires out of it for boost. I believe it is just a generic box with Artic Cat programming flashed into it, who knows what it is capable of.

 

[supraturbo]

Just wondering how much boost you are running and what size of extra injector are you have on your test sled. What fuel are you running? Not all fuels have the same specific gravity

Did you ever talk to Artic Cat about there ECU, it seems to have extra channels in so you could possibly run a map sensor for boost and maybe even extra injectors. You never know how much support you can get from them. It would be nice just to reflash your stock ECU and run a few extra wires out of it for boost. I believe it is just a generic box with Artic Cat programming flashed into it, who knows what it is capable of.

we are running the sled back and forth from 10 psi(91 octan) and 14 (straight polaris 112 octan race gas) at about 1000 feet elevation.injectors are cpc kit included injectors. a/c ecu is a bosch...extra channel very possible but need to get the software from them to tune or crack the security(lots of reserch involved and not legal!)
if you want to simply reflash your a/c and poo ecu pm me i can do that !!!
maybe i can give a call to artic cat and sell them ecu's!!!!j/k
for now i will have my project fine tuned and see what will happen from there.

 

[bamfm7]

if you want to simply reflash your a/c and poo ecu pm me i can do that !!

Well if you can re-flash a stock ecu for the m 1000 there are a ton of people on the forums that would love to get thier original `07 ecu fuel map back.

 

[supraturbo]

Well if you can re-flash a stock ecu for the m 1000 there are a ton of people on the forums that would love to get thier original `07 ecu fuel map back.

to reflash your oem ecu, we need your sled on the dyno......and that is the biggest problem, maybe you have a sled dyno close to where you leave?in that case if more than 10 guys can show up i can travel to your place and reflash for all of you guys......1 reflash cost 699$ canadian.

 

[Hopeitsnowzalot]

Queston for Supraturbo

Supra:
Ive tried and swapped many components in my systems. AND, everytime I change something, the fueling requirements change dramatically. So,

Question for you:
How will your solution account for variables in the different kits? for instance:
Differences in:
-Charge box/tube/fuel rail designs (Injector placement)
-Injector size
-Fuel regulator setups 2:1-1:1?

It seems to me your approach will be based off of a single kit at this point (Cutlers) with 4 injector throttle bodies(?) What happens if you put that controller on a BD Kit or an OVS kit with a fuel rail before the throttle bodies? How about an even different approach with injectors positioned in the charge box or charge tube? And then theres injector size differences too between kits.
Then, bd uses 1:1, ovs 2:1, Twisted 1:1 regulators.

How are you accounting for baseline requirements for this to work properly on such a wide variety of kit developers out there?
OR, is that what you are talking about a reflash? you will make a custom map for anyone that doesnt have a Cutler kit?

YOUR BEST SALES PROPOSITION will most likely come from Kit builders.
It seems your best bet will be partnering with the turbo kit manufacturers and get them dialed for each kit and INCLUDED with their kits. So, when we buy a push kit, or a twisted kit it comes with your controller, not a dobeck.
Those kits could suddenly become the hot ticket, and you'd be selling more like 50-100 at a time, rather then picking through "stems and seeds".

 

[Boyko]

Will the ecu be locked or will the end user be able to make adjustments on it?
I spend about a hour some time ago playing with Vi-Pec V44/V88 calibration software. Is this what you are using ( Version 4.4.3 )

 

[supraturbo]

Supra:
Ive tried and swapped many components in my systems. AND, everytime I change something, the fueling requirements change dramatically. So,

Question for you:
How will your solution account for variables in the different kits? for instance:
Differences in:
-Charge box/tube/fuel rail designs (Injector placement)
-Injector size
-Fuel regulator setups 2:1-1:1?

It seems to me your approach will be based off of a single kit at this point (Cutlers) with 4 injector throttle bodies(?) What happens if you put that controller on a BD Kit or an OVS kit with a fuel rail before the throttle bodies? How about an even different approach with injectors positioned in the charge box or charge tube? And then theres injector size differences too between kits.
Then, bd uses 1:1, ovs 2:1, Twisted 1:1 regulators.

How are you accounting for baseline requirements for this to work properly on such a wide variety of kit developers out there?
OR, is that what you are talking about a reflash? you will make a custom map for anyone that doesnt have a Cutler kit?

YOUR BEST SALES PROPOSITION will most likely come from Kit builders.
It seems your best bet will be partnering with the turbo kit manufacturers and get them dialed for each kit and INCLUDED with their kits. So, when we buy a push kit, or a twisted kit it comes with your controller, not a dobeck.
Those kits could suddenly become the hot ticket, and you'd be selling more like 50-100 at a time, rather then picking through "stems and seeds".

i agree with you, my best bet is to match with certain turbo kit manufacturer......wich i did.i will be working full time with 1 manufacturer in 2 weeks time only with his kits(ski-doo,artic cat 800-1000cc). i will join forces with what i think is the best kit for now on the market.
our solution(ecu) will need to be tune if you make changes in your set-up....our intention was and is still to provide a quality riding efi solution with a particular turbo kit on a particular (general) set up.....

 

[supraturbo]

Will the ecu be locked or will the end user be able to make adjustments on it?
I spend about a hour some time ago playing with Vi-Pec V44/V88 calibration software. Is this what you are using ( Version 4.4.3 )

the ecu will be 100% locked unless you pay me back my r&D plus a BIG premium!!!!we are working with a vi-pec v44 kinda.....we have our own board now for snowmobile application. in the automotive application,yes we are using vi-pec v44/88. if you played a bit with the software, you found out it is not your average DIY guy who can fine tune an ecu properly,i want people to realize it is a dumb idea to mess up with efi when not hhoked to a dyno.....for now we do not have any other solutions but to dump fuel all the time to have a not too bad working turbo sled but it is not normal to do so.

 

[Jammmin]

TIRED OF ALL THE TALK

LETS SEE SOME VIDEO

 

[Snowstar]

Locked out box? Who would buy a programable box that they couldnt program?

 

[supraturbo]

TIRED OF ALL THE TALK

LETS SEE SOME VIDEO

hope you understand we have over 100 000$ into this project already....i have a deal with a turbo kit manufacturer and we are completing our marketing strategy right now and won't cut the grass under my foot by showing what we have done so far. vids will be available soon believe me.

 

[supraturbo]

Locked out box? Who would buy a programable box that they couldnt program?

i'm not sure but are you working for twisted turbo??? if yes, you should already know it is not the kinda program(software) anybody can jump in and tune, proper tuning need a dyno....second, i will unlock the program only for my distributors(they will be carefully picked believe me). i already contacted shain about it and he seems not interested.....

 

[mynewuseddoo]

So this sounds to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, something like the Edge chip in my diesel, plug and play with a switch to change power levels or ranges, correct? This sounds interesting as I was going to pick up the boondocker kit this year but if this is getting to a point where it will be ready I may consider your set up instead. I see a lot of guys talking about tuning the box and wanting it unlocked but this isn't the case with your product. I would imagine though that there will be more maps created down the road and can be down loaded to this box correct? I mean as more people start to use this product and different riding styles dictate different power curves the evolution will need to happen. Also as turbo technology changes this box could be up dated for that also?

Oh, and you mention Twisted Turbos above.....is this who you are working with?

 

[mynewuseddoo]

Oh and also, if this is the case and your product is like the Edge chip in my truck then I can see you having a successful product. I mean this in the sense that my truck runs fine from sea level and all through the mountains and I am not worried about getting in there to tune the thing and bump up the horse power or mess with parameters. If I want to have more power I will contact Edge and get their hot unlock code and unlock that fuel map to boost the hell out of it LOL!! Good luck with this ECU and I hope to be using one next year and if not then there is always the fuel boxes in the mean time LOL!!

 

[supraturbo]

Oh and also, if this is the case and your product is like the Edge chip in my truck then I can see you having a successful product. I mean this in the sense that my truck runs fine from sea level and all through the mountains and I am not worried about getting in there to tune the thing and bump up the horse power or mess with parameters. If I want to have more power I will contact Edge and get their hot unlock code and unlock that fuel map to boost the hell out of it LOL!! Good luck with this ECU and I hope to be using one next year and if not then there is always the fuel boxes in the mean time LOL!!

we have already tuned the ecu from 2-20lbs boost so you will be able to pick your maps(so far i can install a 5 position switch with 5 diffrent maps to shift from on the fly)....no need to tune just flick the switch to change boost level(with electronic boost controller). the ecu can be uprgaded(uploaded or chipped) with updates.
twisted is not the manufacturer we teamed up.
thanks for your interest........for sure we will be ready with artic cat and skidoo and yamaha for next season we are now fulltime on the project 'til finished.

 

[Jeff K]

I am pretty sure I know who you are teaming up with. Assuming its not the manufacturer of the M8 turbo kit that I have, will your tuned ECM be able to be used in my application? or will it be a custom tune? How much different will the tunes be between turbo kit manufacturers?

 

[dubbs]

Oh and also, if this is the case and your product is like the Edge chip in my truck then I can see you having a successful product. I mean this in the sense that my truck runs fine from sea level and all through the mountains and I am not worried about getting in there to tune the thing and bump up the horse power or mess with parameters. If I want to have more power I will contact Edge and get their hot unlock code and unlock that fuel map to boost the hell out of it LOL!! Good luck with this ECU and I hope to be using one next year and if not then there is always the fuel boxes in the mean time LOL!!

BTW the EDGE chip is not a standalone ECM... Its just like a boondocker box, gets in between the injectors and can mess with duraton, and injection timing...

If you are running a Dodge and you want to be impressed by a chip, get a Smarty... Your EDGE will turn into gauges...

And save your hundred bucks on the hot unlock code IMO... They call it the HOT setting for a reason...

Wow... That was off topic... For the thread, and the forum!! LOL

 

[mynewuseddoo]

LOL!!! I've gone from the Juice to the Evolution programmer now and the Extreme setting is more than enough for me. I normaly run it on setting 2 for some extra power and fuel economy. I do kinda miss the Juice though because I could adjust it on the fly. That's why I am excited about this product for the M Turbo sleds. There is also another product which Bolt is discussing which sounds similar and he apparently has an engineer from Edge involved with that project as well. The next step in evolution is just around the corner for the turbo industry with these two products and it is exciting to say the least. I can see these two products increasing turbo interest across the board and hopefuly the turbo builders will have enough stock on hand to fill the demand in the next couple of years.

Oh, and can you get the M8 version ironed out first......PLEASE!!!! LOL!!!

 

[supraturbo]

I am pretty sure I know who you are teaming up with. Assuming its not the manufacturer of the M8 turbo kit that I have, will your tuned ECM be able to be used in my application? or will it be a custom tune? How much different will the tunes be between turbo kit manufacturers?

once base mapping done, it is not a big deal to fine tune any turbo kit, approx. an hour on a regular dyno.

 

[RideGuy]

LOL!!! I've gone from the Juice to the Evolution programmer now and the Extreme setting is more than enough for me. I normaly run it on setting 2 for some extra power and fuel economy. I do kinda miss the Juice though because I could adjust it on the fly. That's why I am excited about this product for the M Turbo sleds. There is also another product which Bolt is discussing which sounds similar and he apparently has an engineer from Edge involved with that project as well. The next step in evolution is just around the corner for the turbo industry with these two products and it is exciting to say the least. I can see these two products increasing turbo interest across the board and hopefuly the turbo builders will have enough stock on hand to fill the demand in the next couple of years.

Oh, and can you get the M8 version ironed out first......PLEASE!!!! LOL!!!

Ya I agree... Lot's of M8's out there I'm guessing more than the 1000's ....