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14 pro bully dog silber bogging

Ok so I have a dobec controller from my 12 silber kit already and I already have a O2 so basically I need to have my dobec reprogrammed for what? A stock sled? How did you order your dobec? (Configuration wise). Im thinking vipec is the way. Then I have an ecu that can follow me from sled to sled and never have to worry about this bs.

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I do not think the older Dobec controllers will work on the Bullydog. I ordered the version 4. You can turn it on and off by adjusting a couple of parameters. It has a built in A/F gauge so when it is set in the off mode you can still watch your A/F. The only complaint I have about the Dobec is it has a small bog at maybe 15% throttle but once you get past that the sled runs great. To me the bog feels like the fuel shuts off for a very short time as the Dobec starts helping the Bullydog control the fuel. I'm sure Dobec could easily modify the software to fix this.
 
I do not think the older Dobec controllers will work on the Bullydog. I ordered the version 4. You can turn it on and off by adjusting a couple of parameters. It has a built in A/F gauge so when it is set in the off mode you can still watch your A/F. The only complaint I have about the Dobec is it has a small bog at maybe 15% throttle but once you get past that the sled runs great. To me the bog feels like the fuel shuts off for a very short time as the Dobec starts helping the Bullydog control the fuel. I'm sure Dobec could easily modify the software to fix this.

Maybe this is something Silber should be looking into for those of us having the bog issue, save face and supply the gen 4 to anyone with the issue...
 
Ok tractor, gotcha.

Justin and Cory are testing all kinds of things to fix this right now. From add on fuel boxes to new maps , etc.

Here's how crazy this is - Cory said he swapped a set of spark plugs from his good running sled to a bad running sled and the bad running sled wouldnt even start....something is very crazy with these sleds.
Like I said- hope you guys find the cure soon. I know I would be pulling out my hair trying to chase the problems down.

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Ive got 800+ miles on my kit now. this is on a 13. Been running 6-7 lbs of boost with about a gallon of av gas in each tank of 91. Have not hit det one time. I ride from 8k-11k. I run mine in non ethanol mode and it runs much better. Does it run as advertised? No. But it runs pretty damn good. It bogs and stumbles from time to time when i am in and out of the throttle but other than that it rips. There hasnt been one minute that i would have traded it for a stock sled. I rode my buddies boondocker turbo 13 and he was running around 9 lbs of boost on straight av gas. I felt like mine pulled harder even though i was running less boost. Wouldnt trade this silber kit for a boondocker thats for sure. Also my primary spring has been broke for the last 350 miles and honestly i didnt even notice a difference it still rips, so i havent even bothered to change it.

I guess im just lucky.
 
I gotcha ski dont. But for some of us this is outright dangerous. So of the bowls I ride have 2-300 feet climbs before the real steep stuff and my sled will hardly go 2-300 feet wide open before it starts losing power and poping and farting and flat out dieing. In narrow chutes there is not much time or space to turn around when this happens unexpectedly. The guys are working on it so we'll see what they find. If i find that there's no fix for this from silber then its vipec time next season.

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You are exactly right snosfun. As you can see in the climbing video you need to have the confidence that you can be climbing and let off to go over a mound and back it the throttle to keep going upwards. knowing it isn't going to stumble on you makes it a lot more fun. Only problem is you cant blame the sled when you mess up.
 
Snofun how much boost are you running?

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8 psi now. Have run 10 psi for a couple weeks but went back to 8. I was at 8 psi all last season.

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Any news or updates about a fix for this yet??? Have 2 big trips planned right away and would prefer to be confident in my sled before going..
 
Are you under contract with Silber for doing his R&D ? If not, you should bank every hours and send him a bill....just a thought. Make no sens to me what you are all experiencing.

Vi-pec Powersports

Just wanted to emphasize to everybody to check the stuck throtle switch. I have experienced issues on 2 machines.

I really think this could be causing a lot of the issues you guys are seeing.

I bypassed the switch by cutting the switch leads and installing a 10K ohm resistor.

Look at my previous post on this issue - this is what solved my issues.
 
Broken primary spring will cause the bog SkiDont, mine did last year on the 12 kit.

Popping is a lean condition, what type gauge are you using to see your boost? Are you positive you are not building more boost causing the lean pop.
 
I met up with Justin in Togwotee last Wed. He was trying a couple different maps, that he was working on to solve these wierd issues. We talked for a few hours the night before he looked at my sled and discussed the way the ECM from polaris has many factors to calculate which map it uses in any particular condition. So as you can imagine with multiplle maps this process has been quite an under taking for Justin. Some of the stuff he was saying was blowing me away how polaris ECM's control the sled. Throttle position, load, ambient temp, pipe temp, EGT temp, RPM, and exuast valve position, and to make it worse, every combination of these items or some of them or all of them. Plus I'm sure there is even more that tiny little computer is doing to get the optimal condition for the sled to run the way its intended to run. Then we boost these things and it magnifies these conditions. Any way, in the am he had me go warm my sled up and I went out into a meadow with about a foot of fluffy snow (semi-setup) and pulled a couple long pulls and mine fall on its face at the end of the second run. Checking all the gauges I was 8100 rpm, 7psi, and 12.2 afr. The second run it was a bit fatter ran in the low 11's before it fell on its face. Came back to Justins trailer and he installed a map for me to try. I started the sled and went back to the same location in the meadow and made a few pulls just like the previous ones before the map change. 8250 rpm, 7psi, and 12.7 afr. Butt of the pants faster acceleration, seemed a bit crisper as well. We rode really steep tough terrain that afternoon and it bogged one time which to our best guess was right when the exauhst valve where closing because I let off and then immediatly hit it again and the hesitation was delay of the valve going closed and back to open. I can say for the next 3 days riding (140 miles of boondocking) it never happened again. One thing I really noticed was how freaking happy i was for all three of those days. I know one of the guys who was there and had a great running sled from the get go, which 90% of the kits he sold are running without problems tried the new map and his ran worse so if your sled is able to climb and doesnt bog or goat then leave your map alone. I will let Corey chime in as well on the map he was testing but from the sounds of it they hit a home run and boy let me say I am one happy customer. It was great meeting them especially Jim he is a great dude who knows his stuff. If you need a favor from Jim he accepts toothpaste for payment. LMAO (his buddies will like that)
 
Initial results look good but I am cautionsly optimistic. We are going to have a larger test group this weekend and will know more afterwards.

I still believe we are chasing sled problems so this fix may not work for everybody. One constant we are seeing has to do with powervalve operation and primary clutchs that the moveable sheave is sticking or flat spotted rollers and tons of people rolling around with broken primary springs. If it engages below 4500 make sure the spring isnt broken!

Also not that if your sled runs good the newer map could actually make it run worse. If it runs good please dont blow up my phone pretending to have a bog to get the latest "update" or you may get something you are unhappy with.
 
Another guy in Togwotee put in the map justin was using and his sled ran worse, too lean, popping a farting mid and top. His sled ran great all year never an issue, he just wanted to try it to see if it would perform better LOL, so needless to say he converted back to the original map and back to a great running sled. Yes primary spring breakage is gonna happen. I replace at leat 8 in the past 3 years.
 
I met up with Justin in West Yellowstone to test the new map on my sled and another friends sled. We realized that my drive clutch was sticking and most likely the culprit for my sudden bogging where the engine dies. I will know for sure as soon as I can get out again. I'm hoping that the new map along with a rebuilt clutch I will be in business. Keeping my fingers crossed...

My buddies sled ran great other than on long pulls it would eventually stumble. His sled was a raped ape after installing the new map.

Additionally there were a couple other BD Pro's that ran awesome. I think we may be on to something here with this new map.

I was really impressed with Justin and his willingness to try to get this figured out. They're really pulling their hair out since his sleds freakin' rip. I rode his sled and it was spot on. I couldn't get it to mess up. I'm really hoping we can get this turned around for everyone that is having issues.

Double check your clutches... My rollers were shot. Also, make sure your Y pipe has double springs.
 
Hopefully some good progress made with the new map??

Checked my primary, already had double springs at the Y pipe and turbo inlet, pulled power valves out again to check bellows - all good. Runs great until it warms up at all then still falling on its face around 7000ish under load.

Have Pink/yellow exhaust valve springs that I though i would try but am going to wait until after the weekend.
 
Sled ran perfect when it was stock before installing the bullydog silber set-up. Have had the midrange bog/flat spot ever since.
 
Both of our sleds run perfect after taking the kits off. You guys are extremely patient I must say. This is sad as the middle of March is fast approaching as well as snow check deadlines.
 
I would contact who you bought it from and get Justin's leaner map. Jay your mid range bog was it similar to acutah's videos in this thread go back and see if your problem is similar, then you have some stuff to look at. As far as this has gone and the fact there are a couple new maps to try people should be getting these up and running flawlessly like mine is. I was having the low throttle stab bog and the WOT bog adftger 30-40 sec pulls. Just has a map to fix that so get it its easy to install and all you have to do is download off of an email to the bully dog and install the new map in the sled
 
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