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09 clutching ,what we got

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Does anybody know for sure if there is a break in chip in these sleds because my buddy can't pull the rpm that I can and he has the setscrews pulled already, I'm wondering if some sleds have a chip and some don't.
any thoughts??

A bunch of us are wondering the same thing out here. My friends sled was on clicker 4 and running good all day, all of a sudden would not build rpm's at all, flat to the bar he was getting about 6500-7000 and sounded like shat. Sounded like it fouled a plug and was running on only one candle. Our other friend had about 5hrs on his and same thing, wouldn't go over 7000 rpm even on #6. I was on #3 (I weigh 175 no gear) and was pulling about 7900 and had good throttle response. Anyway, my friends sled wasn't working worth crap, we headed back to the parking lot, all of a sudden his sled was snappy and would pull rev's on command, he looked and the hr meter read 6.0. Our dealer swears there is no break in period or chip etc. Days end my sled had 2.6 hrs or something on it, curious to see if it hits this possible 'reprogramming' state near that 6hr mark.

nate
 
Track speed to me is climbing right before you turn out,thats what you have............otherwise it's pretty much ground speed.No way 62mph.

Ya ! it's nice to know the "hill speed" right before you turn out, but that leaves even more room for BS or misguided info. Everyone on a XP has a nice speedo that they can read while climbing a hill for reference... How do you truly know what your hill speed is from one run to the next?... GPS???
 
was a large percentage of 09 sleds here this weekend that had electrical running issues. all new out of the box .anything with miles on them seemed to be very strong. typical early doo season stuff . by january we will all likely see a more even running sled .
has been the script as long as i can remmember with there product.
many different results reported on how 09,s were running here this weekend
ones with changed out tracks and slp stuff all had different reported results .

i always enjoy getting to january as the early silly season seems to sort through a lot once some miles get on thesesleds or so the story has gone in the past years here .

we find the transportation of sleds on decks with no covers can drive the moisture deep into some sleds and seem to effect electrical stuff a good heat soak in the shop has fixed some here .
lots of dry powder melting and steaming the inside does show the same at times when we get that particulair snow .
 
Al,
Did you have any sleds running this weekend with your new '09 clutch set up.
Do you expect to be packaging kits this week or would it be better to purchase from my local dealer in AB

Thanks
 
we have run a slp pipe on the r motor for 2 seasons already , the 07 chassi we have we put the series 3 pipe on it with a shaved head and power valves , just rips .
the one in the xp chassi i suspect isnt much different .
 
Good to hear you guys are getting some seat time, i missed you guys on the hill last weekend Al, not near the snow i was hoping for. My 09 wouldn't touch my mod 05 on a bad day so far. Clicker 3 and it would pull the RPM's but just no track speed. Had 6 new xp's out last weekend and 5 of them had intermittent handwarmers tho!! lol good times.
see ya out there soon.
 
On a fully loaded track in the pow with the 09 clutching i'm getting around 45 mph of track speed, when using a cheater track i'm up to 50 mph, and this sled pulls hard! and that was easing into the hill and 1/4 the way up I pin it to see what track speed i'll get. I like the backshifting as well. I've have no complaints other than I have to pull the setscrews to get in a lower clicker position, i'm on five and it pulls 8100 to 8300rpm, Does anybody know for sure if there is a break in chip in these sleds because my buddy can't pull the rpm that I can and he has the setscrews pulled already, I'm wondering if some sleds have a chip and some don't.
any thoughts??

Could be something other than the clutch in your buddies sled. Trouble is with the TRA you never know. The TRA spring in your buddies sled might be slightly different and you would never find it with out calibration tests.

I found last year in early deep snow a track speed at about 45 mph. Stock 800R, can, 05 162 track, 23/45 gears, Polar clutch. Best non turbo sled on the mountain.

I wish it snowed that much every year. People were getting stuck just trying to follow my trail!

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Al: Good on you for posting this stuff on here and helping the rest of us slugs out. One thing I still haven't figured out from reading here is what ramps a guys should be using?
 
FYI- a 43/47 cam by itself isnt the issue...

1) as you climb and have 40-50 mph track speeds the secondary is right around 44-45 degrees...I found a 44 ran well last year vs the 42..the new shock wave also works well at 3 turns (44.5)...so why the "it sucks" comments?? maybe theres "other" things amiss??

2) the new ramps are more questionable (very tall,flat and finnish lower than a 413)....I'm not a fan of the 200 spring either...the 160/320 is a better choice...

3) the 154 sleds need a 20 gear..the 19 is just to short...period..

4) sorry...I have several stock 09's out running and not one is under 42 mph...and after a couple miles they are in the 45-47 mph...waiting for the "base line" to be solid before making changes..I dont see a 25 mph gain in this sled, unless the 35 was a bagger ## and the 60 was???...BJ

not dogging...just my .02
 
BJ,

When you say the 20 is the gear not the 19 (154), are you referring to a mountain sled or trail scenario ?
 
FYI- a 43/47 cam by itself isnt the issue...

1) as you climb and have 40-50 mph track speeds the secondary is right around 44-45 degrees...I found a 44 ran well last year vs the 42..the new shock wave also works well at 3 turns (44.5)...so why the "it sucks" comments?? maybe theres "other" things amiss??

2) the new ramps are more questionable (very tall,flat and finnish lower than a 413)....I'm not a fan of the 200 spring either...the 160/320 is a better choice...

3) the 154 sleds need a 20 gear..the 19 is just to short...period..

4) sorry...I have several stock 09's out running and not one is under 42 mph...and after a couple miles they are in the 45-47 mph...waiting for the "base line" to be solid before making changes..I dont see a 25 mph gain in this sled, unless the 35 was a bagger ## and the 60 was???...BJ

not dogging...just my .02

Big John,
if you recommend the shockwave, what secondary spring would you run. What elevation are your 2009's running at.

thanks
 
We found the best results using a helix not even close to what came in the '08 or '09. Also a different ramp. We find 45 -50mph on a climb easily attainable....not peak speed, but sustained speed before turnout. We test on a 163 and prefer lower gearing for our heavier Wa snow.
Anxious to play with the Shockwave but can't help but think we will always be sacrificing something using a straight ramp, always saw far better results with a progressive to keep the correct squeeze on things at different shift ratio's. I wonder if they will offer this for the Doo's in the future like they did the Yami's.???
 
sleds are at 7000-9000'...snow is varying (obviuosly not a stellar start for snow)...but either way..its apples/apples..and still testing/establishing base lines before solid mods are "on line"...

The 20 gear is for the mountains..the only need for a 19 is a for a 250++ lb guy at 9000++ (OT kinda guy..LOL)...

SW only needs the stock spring..I have a new spring for testing (stiffer at the beginning but softer at the finnish)...

WB- I did all multis last year..got a 100 calls from guys who had the same issue...every one over revved on the trail (not that thats the main issue but I dont care what a guy says, no speed on the way in/out is lame)...this motor with a narrow power band @ likes a straight cam angle IMHO...as in a 45 degree (and matching ramps) lets it get up on rpm..but on shift out loads the motor as needed to control rpm..a 44-40 or 50/35 or a 44/34 all work good in the pow...but get on the trail and it has nothing but a rev limiter to bounce off of...FYI- theres a 5 degree multi coming for the 4 strokes...

In flat lander testing I ran a SW up to 52 degrees straight...clicked stock primary up to #5 = 10+ mph and 6-8 sled lengths vs stock (44 cam)...and still backshifted offtrail (flatlander backshifting)...so IMHO the QRS doesnt need the bandaid fix of a multi cam to work like the old DOO secondaries needed...I wasted alot of time/$$ clutching this sled like the older models...I have some multi angle cams for sale...CHEAP!!-BJ

again- my .02
 
BJ, yes I hear you about the overrev. I got that complaint about the stock '08 setup. We went with a ramp to drop the low-mid shift RPM/load the engine and that also seems to work great with the helix we chose. Our setup is geared towards the hills,we do very little on road riding and we make buyers aware of this before they buy....but still runs less RPM at 30-40mph than a stocker.
Maybe the shockwave will allow the best of both worlds??? But still having to stop and open the side panel to play with the helix isn't ideal.
Maybe I'll work on a movable ramp and call it the OT special. ;)
More fun!!:beer;
 
BJ,

I'm 310 without gear and run up to 3500 ft on the eastcoast with a 154. A 19/45 for me?? how about a 21/49 combo?
I ask this because,
(1) I have a 49 bottom and not a 19 top....
(2) for my weight I've always dropped two teeth from the factory set-up

What are your thoughts on this?

thanks
Darryl
 
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