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Jaws Gen5 Turbo Pipe

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I Did this with a aftermarket muffler on my 2016 T3, first sled I ever rode stock before I tried a muffler on it, sledders are our own worst enemy, change everything before it leaves the dealer floor.
Excactly. I always say try it stock first, give it some time. Amount of hate is hilarious.
 
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Lets say your new pipe gives 9hp, which is what we got from jaws pipe on the dyno in n.a. etec. Stock result was 168hp. That makes 5,4% increase. Its not that big of a difference but you will notice it when riding back to back with stock. Worth the money? Its up to you to decide.
 

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pipes seem like a pain in the ass plus it also looks like there's plenty of dissatisfied folks across the forums with the lack of performance. way back in the day i was big into stand up jet skis (still have a heavily modified, old school one in the garage) and put pipes and on one occasion, twin pipes. the results were significant and the performance increase was pretty much a certainty no matter the brand. no placebo effect simply because you bought one. the only variables you could choose were the length of pipe and if you wanted to run it wet or dry.
with sleds it doesn't seem at all that simple but obviously the application is vastly different. tunes just seem easier but i'm a neophyte.
 

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put simply, if both a given tune and a pipe gives you the same hp increase, why go with the pipe.
 

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warranty is a valid reason to go with a pipe but there’s plenty of people who don’t care about that or the warranty has expired but maybe that is the main reason especially with the short warranties these days.
 

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pipes seem like a pain in the ass plus it also looks like there's plenty of dissatisfied folks across the forums with the lack of performance. way back in the day i was big into stand up jet skis (still have a heavily modified, old school one in the garage) and put pipes and on one occasion, twin pipes. the results were significant and the performance increase was pretty much a certainty no matter the brand. no placebo effect simply because you bought one. the only variables you could choose were the length of pipe and if you wanted to run it wet or dry.
with sleds it doesn't seem at all that simple but obviously the application is vastly different. tunes just seem easier but i'm a neophyte.
Always made a big difference on jet skis. More of a controlled environment im guessing. Always ran a factory pipe wet. Never tried the sxr dry pipe. Mandatory equipment. Used to pipe every sled i had but that ship sailed 15 years ago.
What is your old school mod?
 

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Always made a big difference on jet skis. More of a controlled environment im guessing. Always ran a factory pipe wet. Never tried the sxr dry pipe. Mandatory equipment. Used to pipe every sled i had but that ship sailed 15 years ago.
What is your old school mod?
it's on the 2 stroke kawi 800 sxr which has:
Factory Dry Pipe
high compression head with interchangeable domes (gotta run 50/50 race gas and pump gas)
lightened flywheel
MSD Ignition
aftermarket muffler
bored pump nozzle
skat Trak Impeller
blowsion aluminum tube handlepole
and a few other details.
back in the day i put twin pipes on a 550 and turned it into a rocketship instantly plus those things were so light.
it will pull your arms out of socket no prob if you grab a handful of throttle and aren't ready.
I basically grew up surrounded by water and have owned and ridden 440's, 550's, 750's and now this 800 or more correctly 850, since i was 12. Used to eat, sleep, and breathe stand ups. when i got into mountain sledding a few years back i figured my years of flatwater and surf riding experience on standups would make sledding that much easier. i was completely wrong.
 
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turboless terry

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it's on the 2 stroke kawi 800 sxr which has:
Factory Dry Pipe
high compression head with interchangeable domes (gotta run 50/50 race gas and pump gas)
lightened flywheel
MSD Ignition
aftermarket muffler
bored pump nozzle
skat Trak Impeller
blowsion aluminum tube handlepole
and a few other details.
back in the day i put twin pipes on a 550 and turned it into a rocketship instantly plus those things were so light.
it will pull your arms out of socket no prob if you grab a handful of throttle and aren't ready.
I basically grew up surrounded by water and have owned and ridden 440's, 550's, 750's and now this 800 or more correctly 850, since i was 12. Used to eat, sleep, and breathe stand ups. when i got into mountain sledding a few years back i figured my years of flatwater and surf riding experience on standups would make sledding that much easier. i was completely wrong.
I know all about arms out of socket. My shoulders are bad and need replaced. They don't want to do it because I'm too young which means they don't last. Have a krash 50 cal with 1100 dasa. I don't ride it because it feels like it is pulling my arms out of socket. If i ride it im going to ride it like i want and then i pay the price. Also have a krash foot rocket with 701 and 2 sxrs. One stock and one 840. Love standups but shoulders don't
 

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can you get a shoulder reconstruction?
I had one from crashing on a rental moped in Mexico, got the shoulder reconstruction done and was an avid gym rat both before and after the incident with no issues. went on to do a very physically demanding job in the military after that.
the procedures have to be improved from when I had mine done.
 

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All two different specialists have said is shy of a shoulder replacement and you're too young for that. Also said i could do what i want but coming out of the other side of his mouth is it's is like driving a new truck 55 vs 90 and see how long it lasts. Told him i don't want to drive 55. He said exactly why they don't have much success with someone my age. Probably 50 the last time i had it looked at. My right has a bone spur. He said it wouldn't do any good to scrape it. Told me to come back if i couldn't stand it and he would do an mri and see if there was anything else he could do to relieve some pain. Also said that it wasn't that he wouldn't do a replacement. He just didn't want to. If you ask me to pass the salt i have to turn my head so you don't see me cry. It is the motion more so than weight. Combine this with doing concrete for a living. Some days aren't fun. Usually good snowmobiling until I stop. Then i will get stiffened up and i just hurt getting back to truck.
 

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No snow to try it out on, from the sound of things unfortunately.

Or they have and it’s under performing


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