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Your right to snowmobile on public land was effectivley abolished today

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http://www.khq.com/story/21844712/in-powder-struggle-ruling-for-backcountry-skiers

BOISE, Idaho (AP) - A federal judge in Idaho says the U.S. Forest Service broke the law when it didn't craft rules to govern snowmobile travel, handing a victory to powder-loving backcountry ski enthusiasts in national forests across the country.

U.S. Magistrate Judge Ronald Bush ruled that the Forest Service must re-visit regulations designating areas of use and non-use by off-road vehicles in a way that includes snowmobiles. Some forests opted to exempt snowmobiles when the rules were revised in 2005.

The Idaho-based Winter Wildlands Alliance argued that the agency's failure to cover the machines was leading to conflicts between snowmobilers and backcountry skiers.

Alliance director Mark Menlove says the ruling is a monumental victory.

Bush ordered the Forest Service to write a new rule consistent with the executive order within 180 days.

Since most people can't be bothered to participate in the land use forum, I thought I'd spell it out for everyone in plain English here.

Anybody wanna buy a pair of sleds and a badass trailer?
 
The ramifications of this ruling could easily be the single scariest thing to happen to our sport since the snowmobile was invented. Depending on the rules the Forest Service will be required to implement, It's likely that Wilderness restrictions as we think of them today suddenly won't mean anything to us as THERE WON'T BE ANY RIDING OFF OF APPROVED TRAILS ANYWHERE ANYWAY!!!!!

I'm not even sure if there is any way to fight something like this.:face-icon-small-sad:rant:
 
It sure is funny how the skiers piss and moan and get their way 95% of the time. The problem I see here is that I rarely see a skier anywhere I ride. Why do they have so damn much power when they aren't even out there using the mtns. I'm guessing that we all need to start riding with AR15's so we the public can protect our rights to use public lands:face-icon-small-hap
 
The ****ty thing about this is, it would effectivley be up to the USFS to appeal the decision.

With the dumb b!tch that obama just appointed as head of the DOI, there is absolutely no chance this will happen.

Can another party intervene and file an appeal on behalf of thne USFS or something?
 
i know if it does pass snowmobiling as a sport out west will be history. knew they were whinning when they didn't include sleds in the restrictions. it really gets old having to go through crap like this every year. it is time for manufacturers to step up and fight. they have benefitted for decades its time for them to give back!!!
 
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Where are the big 4 manufacturers in this fight???

I was looking through our State Associations listing of businesses that support the SDSA and was surprised to see that some of the businesses that benefit the most in our state from snowmobiling are not on that list, so your statement was similar to my question about that. I would think that this issue would raise all kinds of eyebrows and the support this sport should be seeing is just not there by those who benefit the most from the sport, every lodge, motel, dealer, gas station, restaurant, parts house, etc... who make their living off of "us" should be putting "us" to shame when it comes to getting support lined up to fight this. If snowmobiling gets regulated to On Trail use only, there will be a lot of For Sale signs and people looking through the Help Wanted ads, in my opinion..... We could all group together and join clubs/groups/coalitions etc... but (again, my opinion) our voice would be heard much louder with more heavy hitters involved with deeper pockets and lawyers on retainer to protect their business interest. The economic impact of such a ruling should be enough to pack any court house with upset business owners. I could be all wet and Polaris, Cat, Super 8, etc... are all over this and have people at the ready to line up and make some noise.

The ski'ers that I see, are the 4th floor office types with the big cabins and drive the Escalades to the parking lot, they might spend a few hours a year actually on the snow and the rest looking out their window at all the sleds/trailers driving by and just assume we are out there melting all of their snow or something.?? They've got nothing better to do than try to ruin someone's elses idea of fun and take away what rightfully belongs to all of us, did that just describe a Democrat??? The same type of people that have parts of Yellowstone gated off so they can have their "privacy" with private clubs, resorts, million dollar homes, etc.. all of the property around those structures is logged and all cleaned up to protect them from the fires, but outside of that property they push to keep it "all natural" and don't want to see man intervening in natures way by logging the forest. They can clear all the land they want for their long private heated asphalt driveways and bring in all kinds of equipment to develop in the forest, but our snowmobiles are in some way harmful...???
 
This whole thing is about pushing a radical environmental agenda. They just found a judge to help them in their cause. This equates to activism from the bench.
 
Yes, Goin for Snow, but why have we not seen any of this?? The big 4 have yet to contribute to promoting land use for snowmobiles. Someone should inform them that expanding our access expands their business and that the opposite shrinks their business!!
 
Its up to us!

We have to get it done! Do not wait for the snowmobile MFR's to fight your fight! (They are not that big a business anyway). It is just like everything else; "If it is to be, its up to me!".

Let go of your inhibition and write, donate time and money to our cause. You must get involved, and soon . Those of us who have been in the fight for 30 + years have paved the way for your involvement. We will show you how. The time is now!
 
The ****ty thing about this is, it would effectivley be up to the USFS to appeal the decision.

With the dumb b!tch that obama just appointed as head of the DOI, there is absolutely no chance this will happen.

Can another party intervene and file an appeal on behalf of thne USFS or something?

Forest service is dept of agriculture, not interior. The only land management the department of interior handles is through the BLM, and on a much smaller scale in anything that would affect sleds through minerals management.


What you can do is contact your local forest service district that manages whatever areas you ride and ask them when their public input hearings will be. Those will be required by law. 180 days is a little nuts but the forest service has a very well defined system for management decisions like this. It's not doomsday, it's time for you to find out how to get your input heard. All that decision sounds like is that the FS needs to specifically address sleds. The same complaint has been lodged all over the country and yeah it's a little scary that this precedent will be set. But now's your chance to give your side on what those rules should be.

The lack of 'over snow vehicle' specific rules is nothing but a door some of these groups wanted to open so that they can then do exactly what YOU need to now do........get input on those rules. This is where groups like this craft their own suggestions, and start swarming meetings. Sledders need to do the same thing.
 
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We have to get it done! Do not wait for the snowmobile MFR's to fight your fight! (They are not that big a business anyway). It is just like everything else; "If it is to be, its up to me!".

Let go of your inhibition and write, donate time and money to our cause. You must get involved, and soon . Those of us who have been in the fight for 30 + years have paved the way for your involvement. We will show you how. The time is now!


I completely agree...
But why aren't the MFR's fighting this fight to (not just the snomobile MFR's, but every company that profits or would disappear without our money)? I write letters, I'm a member of some organizations and I've given some money (Could I do more? Absolutely, most of us could) but it's nothing compared to what a few big businesses could bring to the table.
 
RMS asks: "But why aren't the MFR's fighting this fight to (not just the snomobile MFR's, but every company that profits or would disappear without our money)?"

The MFR's by their nature are basically politically neutral. The rest of the snowmobile product, service and supply community will only get involved when YOU get them involved. Start Now!

Snowmobile MFR's do support your state clubs like WSSA. Do not expect MFR's to get involved in legal battles. Support your state and local clubs. Demand that local vendors you patronize support your sport. The local involvement you start and grow effectively is our only hope.
 
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