Sent, thanks for the link
Yellowstone National Park winter use 08,09 PLEASE READ.
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hey kurt, posted this over in your montana thread also..
my comment is sent..
my comment is sent..
Sent thanks for letting the rest of us know about this.
Yellow stone comments
Done,thanks for the heads up.If we lose Yellow Stone the rest of our public land will be their next target and with the new pres on their side we may lose alot more.
Done,thanks for the heads up.If we lose Yellow Stone the rest of our public land will be their next target and with the new pres on their side we may lose alot more.
Lets keep this at the top until they pin it. This is a must read and reply, and is as important as it was [or more] in 04, when the park delayed the opening due to no winter travel plan...............
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Sent, and added some "spice".
Sent, and added some "spice".
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colorado yamaha
Member
Done.
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sleddinhusker
Member
done
Letter sent.
I live in Grand Forks, ND, and have been traveling to Montana since I was 16. My riding group has been to West Yellowstone twice since then. Yet, unfortunately I have not been able to go into the park. Many times my dad and great uncle have told me stories about there past trips to West. They tell me stories of a town where the hotels were full and every bar/ restaurant was pack to capacity. Last year we stayed at the Brandin’ Iron, as we always have. They had a whole wing at there hotel shutdown for the winter. How sad is that? I feel sorry for the business owners in West. The economic impact has been huge. I personally know how an economic downturn can effect a family. Hopefully someday these “officials” will get there heads on straight so I, and my future children, can see our great nation treasure.
I live in Grand Forks, ND, and have been traveling to Montana since I was 16. My riding group has been to West Yellowstone twice since then. Yet, unfortunately I have not been able to go into the park. Many times my dad and great uncle have told me stories about there past trips to West. They tell me stories of a town where the hotels were full and every bar/ restaurant was pack to capacity. Last year we stayed at the Brandin’ Iron, as we always have. They had a whole wing at there hotel shutdown for the winter. How sad is that? I feel sorry for the business owners in West. The economic impact has been huge. I personally know how an economic downturn can effect a family. Hopefully someday these “officials” will get there heads on straight so I, and my future children, can see our great nation treasure.
on the way....
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aadougie
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Letter Sent!
Be sure to mention the following quote from the emmissions study:
"Remarkably, modern snowmobile HC emissions are down by a factor of >12/vehicle and CO emissions by a factor of >2. The measured snowcoaches emit significantly more per mile than the snowmobiles. Measured snowcoach emissions of CO, even when calculated per passenger mile, now exceed modern snowmobile emissions"
http://pubs.acs.org/subscribe/journals/esthag/40/i08/html/041506feature_bishop.html
Be sure to mention the following quote from the emmissions study:
"Remarkably, modern snowmobile HC emissions are down by a factor of >12/vehicle and CO emissions by a factor of >2. The measured snowcoaches emit significantly more per mile than the snowmobiles. Measured snowcoach emissions of CO, even when calculated per passenger mile, now exceed modern snowmobile emissions"
http://pubs.acs.org/subscribe/journals/esthag/40/i08/html/041506feature_bishop.html
yellowstoners
done....it's ok for zillions of visitors to jam the place in the summer but a comparatively small number of motorized winter visitors is not ok?
done....it's ok for zillions of visitors to jam the place in the summer but a comparatively small number of motorized winter visitors is not ok?
Message sent
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done
The goal of the anti sled groups was never to cut pollution but to eliminate snowmobiling altogether. The pollution of snowmobiles is like to spotted owl to logging. Unforunately for the anti's the cleaner sleds somewhat back fired. After we cleaned the sleds up, it took alot of ammo from the anti's for the fight. It is very obvious that they have beaten us with persistence. This recent dropping of the numbers down to 318 is the perfect example. In the Jackson paper they claim that we should be happy because this number is still higher than the daily average. Nowhere did the author acknowledge that it takes high and low days to create an average. Due to differn't sized families and groups it is impossible to meet the average and be 100% full every day. Next years average will be lucky to be in the high 200's although the demand is there for 5 times that number. Next year there will be an article stating that the average went down from the year before so maybe we don't really need snowmobiles in the park. See how they work. I just got back from the outfitter meeting this morning in Jackson and learned each Yellowstone outfitters is only allowed 9 sleds per day. This is barely enough to even sustain a tour business. Along with that the concessioneers in Yellowstone have to run the gas stations and restaurants for such a small number of people. If they want to be there in the summer they have to operate in the winter. Basically the whole economic viability of Yellowstone has been destroyed over the last 10 years, including West Yellowstone. At this point the agrument is almost rediculous. It's ok for a snowcoach visitor, but the one who prefers the open air is not ok. You could argue sleds are cleaner than the coaches, although we all know this is not about pollution. The anti's want sleds out. They hate us dirty stinkin greasy redneck sledders. I think a discrimination lawsuit is more suited at this point. I'm very frustrated. We better be ready to defend ourselves these next four years. I believe the gates just opened for alot more of this. Is the forest next? Thanks to the "Bill Townsends" of the world for being our soldiers in these fights. I think we better all start paying attention to the issues.
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I read through most of that entire freakin 255 page document, and as best as I can come up with they more or less pulled those numbers out of their asses. There is nothing definitive at all about "why" they chose the numbers they did. Their criteria for "noise pollution" is spotty at best.
Pure politics, plain and simple.
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