Yellowstone National Park winter use 08,09 PLEASE READ.

[-Z-]

Golden,

In your note above it states that emails and faxes will not be accepted.
But filling out that form and commenting is not considered an email correct??

form filled out with comment and sent

Z

PS everyone who enjoys snowmbiling on or off trail needs to participate in things like this because this year maybe they take our rights in a national park and next thing it is the state or federal land that you ride!!!

 

[Rob1334]

Golden,

In your note above it states that emails and faxes will not be accepted.
But filling out that form and commenting is not considered an email correct??

form filled out with comment and sent

Z

PS everyone who enjoys snowmbiling on or off trail needs to participate in things like this because this year maybe they take our rights in a national park and next thing it is the state or federal land that you ride!!!

This does not count as an email, this is an open comment submission setup to better keep track of all submissions. Not easy keeping track of 10 different medias for example, maybe couple hundred to a thousand for each, then trying to group them to accumilate the data, ya get the picture...

 

[-Z-]

This does not count as an email, this is an open comment submission setup to better keep track of all submissions. Not easy keeping track of 10 different medias for example, maybe couple hundred to a thousand for each, then trying to group them to accumilate the data, ya get the picture...

Thanks thats what i assumed but just wanted to clarify

EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT USES SWEST SHOULD DO THIS IT TAKE LESS THAN A MINUTE!!!!!!

 

[rotax]

I sent mine, I hope that everybody on this sight will comment

Yeah, if only that would happen...we'd be much better off.

Sending comments now..

 

[likkerpig]

Submitted comments- here's a direct link to the form:

http://parkplanning.nps.gov/commentForm.cfm?parkID=111&projectID=23430&documentId=25017

 

[asu_gt]

done

 

[800Cat]

Done!

 

[XXL]

Done er' Somethin like this is what I did..
I would like for you to continue to allow snowmobiling in the Yellowstone National Park. I would like to also see a shift in your policy to emphasize the fact that all snowmobiles have the clean 4 stroke motors, just like cars in the summertime, are restricted strictly to the roads, just like cars in the summer, and that the snowmobiles have noise restrictions, unlike cars and motorcycles in the summer. When I make concerned citicens opposed to snowmobiling in the Park aware of the above they usually drop their objections. It seems the impression given to the public is that of unrestricted travel inside of Yellowstone. Thank you for tour time.

 

[sledboy82]

letter sent....

 

[SnoDmon]

I'm using the comment site once i'm done here. As for BAT, isn't that new Direct Injection 600 Ski-Doo just as clean if not cleaner than some of the four strokes out there? If I remember right it was slightly better, maybe it was slightly worse than the four strokes. I think it was in a SnoWest last year. As for the guides, that is so much BS. Not only do most people have to rent four $150+ sleds, but to pay a guide as well, to what, keep 'em on the trail? And if I remember right, when we asked about this a year or two back, I think you needed a group of six before you could even get a guide to go with you. I'm sorry if I am rambling on and on, but nothing gets me as fired up as loosing our access to these damned goverment officials that don't know squat. Have any of them rode by a buffalo? If someone were to ride by at 90 mph on the loudest machine out there, they would probably just stand there grazing as you flew by. I wish there was more I could do as an individual.

We are just fortunate that they decided to let us in this year. As for myself and my family, we are fortunate to have seen the winter wonders of Yellowstone, which are far more greater than in the summer. I just hope that someday our children will have the same chance to see the park as we did.

 

[Powder Keg]

letter sent.... bump

 

[Boston Racing]

Yep you read it right, as of 05 only B.A.T. four stroke sleds with guides have been allowed in the park. If we loose that right we will NEVER get unguided sleds back in. Our hope is as the technology keeps improving, which it has, and we can prove it, they will eventually allow unguided sleds back in. Thanks for taking the time to read the post.................

Letter Sent. I was just unaware of the issue.

 

[2XM3]

Sent, thanks for the link

 

[Caveman]

Sent

 

[Dogmeat]

Does anyone know where they actually come up with these "numbers" for how many snowmobiles to allow in the park each day?

In 05' it was 720, now it's .... what, 318? Why not 327.23481?

WTF?

Letter sent.

edit:

I read through about the first 50 pages of that winter use plan, and as best as I can tell they've completley thrown out the arguments of snowmobiling effecting wildlife, fauna, contributing to global warming, and basically every other whack *** lawsuit the greenies have thrown out there.

They've centered on the only two remaining issues: The fact that snowmobiles burn gas and make noise.

Here's the letter I sent.

This isn't as thoroughly researched as I'd have liked but seriously, it would take me a week to go through that entire 255 page document and pick it apart to make a more intelligent comment, but here's what I sent em ...

So far I am 26 pages into the 255 page 2008 Winter Use Plan document.
Hence far, as best as I can tell, every issue that the anti-OSV lawsuits have brought up is has been found invalid and, according to the doccument, is no longer considered. If I am reading this right, it's been determined that snowmobiles have less of an impact on wildlife than do the snowcoaches. The numbers for determining how many snowmobiles and/or snowcoaches appears to be be based soley off whatever "model" people are using to determine CO2 emissions and noise levels based on the criteria of being audible a certain distance away from the machine a certain percentage of the day.

What I am gettin at is, the issue of allowing OSV's in the park is centered around sound and CO2 emissions.

I think it would be a disservice to many who wish to use the park in the winter to forgoe Alternative 2.

There is a constant evolution of technology in the snowmobile world, but to those unfamiliar with it the machines of today still "sound" like the machines of yesteryear. The study lists 4-stroke snowmobiles as being on roughly the same audible level as a typical passenger car at 60 dB. Perhaps this level will change and become lower, but the level of Co2, NOx, and particulate emissions will assuredly become less and less as small 4-stroke motor technology changes.

I do not believe that these levels of tailpipe emissions and sound levels are enough of a cause to completley eliminate OSV's from the park. Forgoeing Alternative 2 would negate the evolution in technology that is sure to come, as well as doing a disservice to those who wish to experience the park in the wintertime and are unable to do so under their own power.

 

[Skidoox]

done

 

[Headrush]

Done!

TTT

 

[SXViper]

One more comment!

Sent my letter in. I just hope they read all these.

As a side note do they regulate cars and motorcycles during the summer as they do with snowmobiles? This is something that drives me nuts about the Rockey Mountain National Park in Grand Lake, CO. They used to let snowmobiles in on the road during the snow season but no longer do. However, when we were there this summer I heard some of the loudest bikes and Foldgers can cars I ever have. I even saw some bonehead approch a bull moose on foot armed only with his fatness and a camera. Long story short most sledders are far more responsible than what I whitnessed and I think we ended up with the short end of the stick in this case.

-Rant over now lets get back to keeping snowmobilies in Yellowstone

 

[Ex-Member]

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[stum1967]

Done.