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Yellowstone National Park winter use 08,09 PLEASE READ.

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The goal of the anti sled groups was never to cut pollution but to eliminate snowmobiling altogether. The pollution of snowmobiles is like to spotted owl to logging. Unforunately for the anti's the cleaner sleds somewhat back fired. After we cleaned the sleds up, it took alot of ammo from the anti's for the fight. It is very obvious that they have beaten us with persistence. This recent dropping of the numbers down to 318 is the perfect example. In the Jackson paper they claim that we should be happy because this number is still higher than the daily average. Nowhere did the author acknowledge that it takes high and low days to create an average. Due to differn't sized families and groups it is impossible to meet the average and be 100% full every day. Next years average will be lucky to be in the high 200's although the demand is there for 5 times that number. Next year there will be an article stating that the average went down from the year before so maybe we don't really need snowmobiles in the park. See how they work. I just got back from the outfitter meeting this morning in Jackson and learned each Yellowstone outfitters is only allowed 9 sleds per day. This is barely enough to even sustain a tour business. Along with that the concessioneers in Yellowstone have to run the gas stations and restaurants for such a small number of people. If they want to be there in the summer they have to operate in the winter. Basically the whole economic viability of Yellowstone has been destroyed over the last 10 years, including West Yellowstone. At this point the agrument is almost rediculous. It's ok for a snowcoach visitor, but the one who prefers the open air is not ok. You could argue sleds are cleaner than the coaches, although we all know this is not about pollution. The anti's want sleds out. They hate us dirty stinkin greasy redneck sledders. I think a discrimination lawsuit is more suited at this point. I'm very frustrated. We better be ready to defend ourselves these next four years. I believe the gates just opened for alot more of this. Is the forest next? Thanks to the "Bill Townsends" of the world for being our soldiers in these fights. I think we better all start paying attention to the issues.


Sir, I bow to you, as that is spot on. A man that knows what he!! he is talking about, nice to see. The #'s have come from exactly what you stated above. They reviewed the last three years and took that "average" of those three years and cut that by a certain %. Thanks for the read...........:)
 
park

done.....My wife and I and the two girls were going to come down in Feb/09
to do some riding. My brother in-law was there 2 years ago with his family and said they had a good time. He said it was kinda pricey to get into yellowstone. $100.00 per adault and $80.00 per kid? I hope alot of buisness's are doing the same because it affects all the tourist dollars coming into these areas.:)
 
I say bullsh!t. I say shut down the park to everyone. Cars, RV's, Trucks, hikers, bikers, snowmobilers, outfitters, fishermen, canoeist...everyone....including the greenies and the park service. Fact is unlimited numbers go into the park in the summer in areas we can't go and do more damage than is even possible on a snowmobile. Endless lawsuits and endless studies have always sided with the snowmobilers, but the green lobby always wins because of the losers in DC. I say no one goes and when we find out what it is like to be excluded, then maybe we can share.
 
I have submitted my letter. I know I will be in West this winter but I can't afford to go thru the park. Me and my family just ride the hundreds of miles of trails outside the park. I wonder when they will create a buffer zone around Yellowstone to shut us out of there too.
 
I have submitted my letter. I know I will be in West this winter but I can't afford to go thru the park. Me and my family just ride the hundreds of miles of trails outside the park. I wonder when they will create a buffer zone around Yellowstone to shut us out of there too.

This is my point. Every year they come up with two options. One screws hard, the other screws us hard then lights us on fire. Then when they get our approval they wave it around like they got our endorsemement. I say Bullsh!t. It is time to sue to stop all of those polluting cars from going into the park in the summer!

If you want a petiton for that...I'll sign...
 
rockinmranch worded it perfectly. It's all a bunch of bullchit:mad: If they win with Yellowstone the next to go will be national forest use, and so on and so on. This is typical of DC politics. I am born and raised out of Cody, Wyoming and have already witnessed the damage the one-sided, feed the green environmentalist mob has created. They are the biggest hypocrits of all. Sure, lets build our ski hills by destroying half the side of a mountain, pouring concrete, building condominiums, routing electrical power, etc., but we'll shut out the people that go and supposedly destroy the mountain by leaving a mark in the snow. I truly believe that snowmobilers leave a much smaller carbon print than that of the enviros! If they shut out snowmobiling than the only sort of summer transportation should be railway or bus in my opinion. Wow, watch the fireworks fly:face-icon-small-con It will only get worse. Now it's all about the wolves...what a joke:(
 
It seems to me that as I look at all these restrictions being placed on our freedoms around the West that the real goal is people lording over other people.

You do not have to create a law to keep people out of the woods they already have the right to stay out of the woods. Let all the people that want everyone else to stay home, stay home themselves. The people that want to access our public lands can and will and the people that do not want to do not have to exercise their rights to access, thereby allowing everyone the blessing of freedom.

In order to hug a tree you need access to the forest.

This stuff has gotten beyond out of hand.
 
Sent a comment in. I think we should fight this green crap with the Americans with
disabilities Act. Shutting down places to motorize use is discriminating against those
who can't hike. I'm just a dumdum mechanic,though, but this is a very powerful
Act. Oh well- I guess this is what it takes these days. Good to see all the responses
from those who represent the SILENT majority.
 
From the Enemy....Yesterday

November 10, 2008


Dear Jim,

Phase-out snowmobiles in Yellowstone!

Tell the Park Service to follow the court's ruling!

After years of struggling with the Bush Administration, we finally have a real chance to lower and eventually phase-out unhealthy snowmobile use at our nation's beloved Yellowstone National Park!

Last year, despite more than ten years of scientific study that shows snowmobile use harms wildlife and air quality, and shatters the solitude of Yellowstone, the Bush administration decided to propose a plan that would have grown back the number of noisy, polluting snowmobiles even past what Yellowstone has seen on average during the past five winters.

We took the Administration to court and won. A federal court found the Interior Department negligent in its duty to be good stewards by allowing increased air pollution, impacts to wildlife, too much noise, and most importantly, not abiding by its mandate to conserve the park unimpaired for future generations. The Bush plan was ruled illegal.

This is great news, but the struggle isn't over yet. Yellowstone needs you to tell the Park Service to follow the court's ruling.

As Yellowstone prepares for winter visitors this year, the National Park Service is required to come up with an immediate temporary plan that takes the court's ruling into account. Yet, it is still proposing more snowmobiles each day than the daily average of the past five winters.

The Park Service's plan is currently open to comment, but only until Nov. 14.

This is your opportunity to tell the Park Service to phase out snowmobile use, and ultimately boost a better alternative - snowcoaches. These warm, comfortable, multi-passenger vehicles run on packed snow and have much less impact on the Park's environment.

It's critical that your voice be heard before Nov. 14. Tell the Park Service to heed its own science and protect Yellowstone and Grand Teton National Parks.

Best wishes,

Kathy Kilmer
The Wilderness Society
 
Back to 720 sled a day this season

Things sure change fast in this little game called "how many sleds are allowed this season in YNP". :D

Judge Brimmer did his thing again for mutiple-use! He tossed the ban by Judge Sullivan and reinstated the temp plan that allows 720 sleds per day, even though the temp plan was not suppose to be allowed past the 07/08 season. Go Judge Brimmer!

I can't upload the entire ruling in the PDF file because it is too big. I will post in on the SAWS website tonight.

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