xp really disappointed me today

[plumnuts]

My first wife really disappointed me too, but I moved on and never had to write an essay to explain it to everyone...lol.

I started to but after wearing out 5 computers, I stopped writing about the first wife... she told me early on, "I hate snowmobiling..." should have been my first clue that her big boobs would not keep entertained forever

 

[Crasher]

We must all be a bunch of pansies. For years, we expected to fix all the factory crapp, now we just buy new sleds and think they're like new cars. Surely it'd be better if this sport was like street bikes where nothing ever breaks and we get new product about every 10 years. God knows I'd like to be riding a '97 670 or 700 that was bulletproof. That'd be lots more fun than riding a new 430 pound sled with 150hp.

My thought also. If you want to ride the latest technology, you have to put up with some problems. It has always been this way. Look at the REV, they finally really got it dialed in for 06. Third year out, it was a great sled. In about 3 years the XP will also be a great sled.
All the manufactures go through the same growing pains with new models.

BTW, I spent yesterday riding the 02 Summit. 4,000 trouble free miles. What a dog to ride though. Wife was on the REV.

 

[noob]

I started to but after wearing out 5 computers, I stopped writing about the first wife... she told me early on, "I hate snowmobiling..." should have been my first clue that her big boobs would not keep entertained forever

LMAO, sorry to hear about the first wife, but that is funny right there.

On a side note, it does blow that a guy buys a new machine, and instead of putting the money into light weight parts or after market parts, they've got to put money into the machine just to make it run right, not overheat and blow up. it seems this is the way this sport is going. that with crappy snow on the alberta side here has me thinking is this worth dealing with. might be time to take up under water basket weaving.

I did ride with a couple of guys that we brought sleds up for yesterday(1 dragon 800 163 and 1 xp 154 x) and they both ran great. would be great if all sleds were like this.

 

[fatguy1]

LMAO, sorry to hear about the first wife, but that is funny right there.

On a side note, it does blow that a guy buys a new machine, and instead of putting the money into light weight parts or after market parts, they've got to put money into the machine just to make it run right, not overheat and blow up. it seems this is the way this sport is going. that with crappy snow on the alberta side here has me thinking is this worth dealing with. might be time to take up under water basket weaving.

I did ride with a couple of guys that we brought sleds up for yesterday(1 dragon 800 163 and 1 xp 154 x) and they both ran great. would be great if all sleds were like this.

Noob, what are you doing on here?.... Other than making yourself look bad.....

When I first read this thread I thought the same as trinitypowder, stay home and watch Oprah, but I know every one has the freedom of speech. So to avoid ruining a possibly good thread I kept quit. But you couldn't hold back could you!. First you start with the name calling to trinitypowder and then make another stupid post and start saying things like "bring it on."..... What is this some kind of school yard play ground and your upset because someone threw poo in your sand box... I don't get it.?

So you resold 22 xp's and no problems... What are you saying you lucked out and got a pile of good ones or that they (the XP) are awesome sleds. You must know something your not sharing that you have done to these sleds if they have all ran flawlessly.

I think you finally got it right.... You could really enjoy a good Oprah show after some under water basket weaving.... there you go buddy is that the response your looking for?

Now does anyone know what that intake screen material is or where it can be purchased?

Thanks to Chubbydog for the shock info, It's nice to see there is a couple people on here that don't mind helping us out.

 

[SilverGriz]

Sorry to hear about the troubles your having.

My 163" continues to rock. It will run with any sled on the hill this year minus a turbo sled. The only issue at 200 miles of powder is the handwarmers. Stock belt looks like new and no I'm not easy on this thing.

 

[quickdraw]

I'm always amazed how many people with PHD's in International Marketing, Macro Economics and Business seem to post on these sites. I love statements by such educated people like "they spend more on marketing than R&D", or my personal favorite theme is that "unless we continue *****ing then they will never change." How is that working out for you so far?

My sleds have always run good-great and they always will. I will take responsibility for that. When you ride the cutting edge sometimes you get cut. Or you can buy a 3 -5 year old sled that is tried and true and spend your money modding it to 430lbs and 151hp. Noone is so naive in this age of the internet and these forums to believe that they are buying a perfect machine out of the box. Noone can say that they had a reasonable expectation of that on a sled that only has 2 components that are not brand new (skiis and motor, and the motor didn't exactly have a good track record from last year). Ahhhhh but then we go back to the old "marketing made me doo it". Kind of like the old Laugh in the "devil made me do it". I hear that Yami has a real reliable,dependable sled.....or is that just what marketing wants you to believe? Hmmmmmm.......

3 Doo's in the garage - 2 perfect, 1 a minor work in progress but that is what I expected.

 

[noob]

Noob, what are you doing on here?.... Other than making yourself look bad.....

When I first read this thread I thought the same as trinitypowder, stay home and watch Oprah, but I know every one has the freedom of speech. So to avoid ruining a possibly good thread I kept quit. But you couldn't hold back could you!. First you start with the name calling to trinitypowder and then make another stupid post and start saying things like "bring it on."..... What is this some kind of school yard play ground and your upset because someone threw poo in your sand box... I don't get it.?

So you resold 22 xp's and no problems... What are you saying you lucked out and got a pile of good ones or that they (the XP) are awesome sleds. You must know something your not sharing that you have done to these sleds if they have all ran flawlessly.

I think you finally got it right.... You could really enjoy a good Oprah show after some under water basket weaving.... there you go buddy is that the response your looking for?

Now does anyone know what that intake screen material is or where it can be purchased?

Thanks to Chubbydog for the shock info, It's nice to see there is a couple people on here that don't mind helping us out.

LMFAO, wah wah wah fatguy. stay home and watch oprah, what kind of gay a$$ solution is that. give us some more of your wisdom there buddy. whatta joke.

 

[fatguy1]

LMFAO, wah wah wah fatguy. stay home and watch oprah, what kind of gay a$$ solution is that. give us some more of your wisdom there buddy. whatta joke.

I gotta agree with quickdraw about the whole marketing made me do it thing... I gotta wonder what the odds are that BRP pays someone to read these sites in order to get feed back on their product. (I'm sure they don't) If someone whats to make a beef about their sled and soley blames the manufacter they should contact them and let their voice be heard, posting replys here are not going to improve your sled.

noob, I was saying you should stay home and watch Oprah, maybe she will have DR. Phil on and they can offer some help on your name calling and need to use swear words when making a post. The rest of us can only hope.

As far as wisdom noob, you got there again buddy I have none, my 800 XP 163 runs awesome and with over 220 miles on the same belt. The only change I made was at 2 miles I changed the purple/purple spring to a purple/blue.

I appologize to the guy that started this thread only to see it get destroyed. I sure hope you do get the help your looking for.

enjoy!

 

[Slick]

I'm always amazed how many people with PHD's in International Marketing, Macro Economics and Business seem to post on these sites. I love statements by such educated people like "they spend more on marketing than R&D", or my personal favorite theme is that "unless we continue *****ing then they will never change." How is that working out for you so far?

My sleds have always run good-great and they always will. I will take responsibility for that. When you ride the cutting edge sometimes you get cut. Or you can buy a 3 -5 year old sled that is tried and true and spend your money modding it to 430lbs and 151hp. Noone is so naive in this age of the internet and these forums to believe that they are buying a perfect machine out of the box. Noone can say that they had a reasonable expectation of that on a sled that only has 2 components that are not brand new (skiis and motor, and the motor didn't exactly have a good track record from last year). Ahhhhh but then we go back to the old "marketing made me doo it". Kind of like the old Laugh in the "devil made me do it". I hear that Yami has a real reliable,dependable sled.....or is that just what marketing wants you to believe? Hmmmmmm.......

3 Doo's in the garage - 2 perfect, 1 a minor work in progress but that is what I expected.

Well, I am experienced and educated in marketing, and you are dead wrong about the expectation of the consumer and the effect marketing has on them. The biggest factor we bump into on this 4m is the hesitancy for a buyer to admit publicly that they spent that much cash, and recieved an inferior product. (that would mean they're not to smart,especially if it had happened before).
It sounds like so far its working out for you, but its pretty obvious by the # of sleds pulled home in 07 and so far in 08, you're the exception. Hope it continues to work out for ya.
None of us should apologize for expecting quality products, if you think you've got it, good for you.
I don't.

 

[noob]

Dr fatguy gonna replace dr phil. You summed it up best, you have no wisdom yet you keep opening your fatmouth. if your user name is any indication of what you are like, your gonna have to worry about belts and bent running boards. lets see your wisdom now. I can only wait.lmao

 

[Ron]

Well, I am experienced and educated in marketing, and you are dead wrong about the expectation of the consumer and the effect marketing has on them. The biggest factor we bump into on this 4m is the hesitancy for a buyer to admit publicly that they spent that much cash, and recieved an inferior product. (that would mean they're not to smart,especially if it had happened before).
It sounds like so far its working out for you, but its pretty obvious by the # of sleds pulled home in 07 and so far in 08, you're the exception. Hope it continues to work out for ya.
None of us should apologize for expecting quality products, if you think you've got it, good for you.
I don't.

100% correct & BRP does monitor these forums. Remember the fiasco with the proto's last spring? Well after lots of negative posts on DooTalk BRP posted some lame excuses & flat out lied about fixing all the problems. Comments started out "We have read your posts" Must have been effective (not honest) marketing though, because lots of folks with POS 07's signed on again for 08's. I think the psychology of the issue must be true or else why would so many defend a substandard product as "to be expected, or its a new sled, all the rest are bad too, quit complaining and fix it yourself"?
Step back and think about what you are saying & the message you send to BRP!

 

[Linc]

I've said it before and I'll say it again,,,they're training you to accept substandard workmanship,when you keep buying into the bu!!sh!t and purchasing the crap,slowly but steadily,you're being trained and telling them that it's OK to screw you over.

Yamaha was given this message a few years ago,when they hit rock bottom in market share,they're getting better and market share is increasing,it'll happen to BRP and they will either listen or fold.

 

[quickdraw]

100% correct & BRP does monitor these forums. Remember the fiasco with the proto's last spring? Well after lots of negative posts on DooTalk BRP posted some lame excuses & flat out lied about fixing all the problems. Comments started out "We have read your posts" Must have been effective (not honest) marketing though, because lots of folks with POS 07's signed on again for 08's. I think the psychology of the issue must be true or else why would so many defend a substandard product as "to be expected, or its a new sled, all the rest are bad too, quit complaining and fix it yourself"?
Step back and think about what you are saying & the message you send to BRP!

If BRP was making manufacturing decisions based in any way by the buzz on these forums then how on earth could they release a new clutch that wasn't perfect after last year's Summits? I would almost bet that the comments made on DooTalk came directly from the BRP marketing dept. as at least I would expect...that is their job, but it did not change the clutchs did it. Neither you nor I are sending any messages of any king to a multi-billion dollar corporation by our comments on this or any other forum. Yeah someone at coprorate may be reading these posts but they are taken with a large grain of salt and figured into their sales and profit projections, put together with the past few seasons performance records, combined with the track records and information on the strength of future products by the competition. As a Corporate President I can tell you that is how it is done. That doesn't mean they they have a total disregaurd for the consumer, just that there are alot more things to be considered.

Slick, I learned before I hit my teen years to " believe half of what you read and none of what you hear". While I personaly believe that that is an exaggeration, it isn't off by much. If the 07 was as trouble free as the 06 then maybe more people would have a reasonable expectation that 08 would be similar. That is not the case. I don't know what kind of factor you are reffering to but someone that has an ego problem that will not let them state that their purchasing decision isn't working out well is not a big deal. The main value of these forums is to share information that we can benifit from to make our riding expieriences better.

Personaly I have had a good expierience with Seadoo/Skidoo products over the years. That does not mean they have been perfect, I did not expect them to be, just the best choice to meet my needs at that time. Anyone expecting the most radical change in the snowmobiles ever to be perfect or even close is as I said naive. There was many posts on all the forums by people stating that people should wait a year or two until the inevitable problems were worked out. You also mentioned the number of problems. I for one would like you to tell me the number of problems that there has been in relationship to the number of sleds sold. That would be valueable information that we all could use, but don't tell me about what you think these numbers are solely based on what you've seen through the magnifying glass of an internet forum. Most of the posts about the 07 problems came from the same 10-15 people last year; out of how many sleds sold?

I also learned many years ago to spend 5% of my time identifying the problem and 95% on my time focused on the solution.

 

[Linc]

Quick draw,,,you sir,are trained,,,the perfect pasty to keep buying substandard goods.Say no more,it makes all the sense in the world now,with customers like you they will making crap and you'll keep buying it.As a corporate president,I should think that your consumer should deserve more than 5 percent of your time to recognize an issue,,,,after all you have 100 percent of their money.

 

[Slick]

Well I gotta tell you, with respect, that all your comments about what you've LEARNED over the years is pretty much negated in my opinion by your decision to give so much verbal support to BRP who has dropped the ball with product quality badly in 07 and 08. And the majority of my opinion isn't coming from the comments on this 4m, mostly its been the parade of SkiDoo's that we've seen come into all parking lots on hooks and the problems and frustrations of myself and so many of my friends. And I sure hope they're selling the most cause if not then the percentage of failures is gotta really be high.
We are gonna have to agree to disagree cause no way I can monetarily or verbally support any one of the dealers who are so blatantly disregarding their customers as poorly as BRP has done in 07 & 08.
Too bad cause the XP could be awesome, but thankfully there are lots of other quality choices while we wait for them to get their $hit together.

 

[High Voltage]

Polaris isn't doing well either !!!!!!

Read this if you think the grass is greener in the blue zone

Polaris what gives?
What the F**k is wrong with these people. I just got my sled back from Skinz yesterday. They did a great job and added some nice products. I am anxious to get started adding a few goodies of my own. So I start examining my new toy. 1st, who the hell would route a brake line next to a sharp object? With only 30 miles on the sled the line is showing wear to a dangerous degree. 2nd, nice f**king mouse nest of wiring right next to the steering stem. Ever hear of a wire loom jack asses.
After reading some posts about water in the airbox I decide I should examine this more closely. Thinking if I popped off the air intake vent cover I could see in better. Well, I could see better after the thing broke off. Very cheaply made. Anyone, who knows me also knows I am very cautious and precise when working on things so this shouldn't have happened especially when the other side came off fine.
Moving on I decide to remove the dash/air intake/headlight. The whole time wondering why I am removing these items when I just spent $10,000. Once off, I notice that a circus monkey could have applied a seal better than what was on there. Not one to just gob silicone on I figure I will replace the seal and do it correctly. Not as easy as it sounds as the seal is on there with some super adhesive. So now I'm thoroughly pissed because I will need some sort of wire dremel wheel to remove the residue. This job would take a technician a good 2 hrs. to complete. Probably, over $200 in labor.
Another thing that got under my skin is the gobs of silicone (probably a whole tube) located by the upper a-arm on the bulkhead and hanging off my shocks. Obviously, applied by assclown #375. Is this truely the best seal your engineers can come up with?
I thought I was pissed about the late delivery. Now I'm completely chapped about the complete lack of quality control. When I spend $10,000 on a Honda sportbike, I drive it and never worry about anything. No water getting in the intake, no wiring issues. This is why people don't like American made products. We build $10,000 pieces of sh*t. If I was running the show over there, this sled never would have went out the door. Correction, it would have been done right the first time and delivered in a timely manner. My money doesn't come easy and I certainly don't have an excess of it. So when I spend this kind of $ I expect a quality product. This thing is worth $4000 for the amount of work I will be doing to it.
Any chance this seal is warranty? It is a manufacture defect. After touring the polaris facilty last winter I doubt anyone on that assembly line is qualified to be working on any kind of a sled. Bunch of hillbillies wearing sweatpants. Although, I have met some nice people in Roseau, they need to get some people with more than an 8th grade education. I'm sorry if I'm offending anyone, but that is the impression that was made. I truely believe the Polaris facilty needs to be moved to a more populated area. You are more likely to find quality engineers and employees willing to work for you when you are not located in the sticks.
Thanks for listening to my rant. Polaris still has a letter coming.
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[quickdraw]

Quick draw,,,you sir,are trained,,,the perfect pasty to keep buying substandard goods.Say no more,it makes all the sense in the world now,with customers like you they will making crap and you'll keep buying it.As a corporate president,I should think that your consumer should deserve more than 5 percent of your time to recognize an issue,,,,after all you have 100 percent of their money.

Li nc: I'll doo the thinnin around hear. A perfect pasty like me sure does appreciate your lookin out for my consumers. Golly.

Slick: Yeah my "verbal support for BRP"? Is that where I acknowledge that both the 07 and 08 are having problems? My whole point is that it is a fantasy to think the BRP will change any of their corporate policies because people 8itch on a forum. When you affect their sales enough they will change so doo like Linc and go blue. But don't stand there and say that you have no responsibility in how that XP got in your garage. Doo a search and see how many post there where on these forums over the past 8 months about staying away from these new sleds. Hell just search Linc's posts and you'll come up with a few hundred. Nice talking with you but it's time for a new week of work then 2 weeks in the mtns. dooing R&D on the wife's new XP. As I told the 07 boys, "this is my year to carry the load a little". Just sorry I can't join the pity party. As I said it's not that I won't have problems it's just that I choose to deal with them a little differently.

 

[Hillclimber]

You say "with same fabric that is on your intake", does anyone know what this material is called or where it can be purchased?.

thanks!

To get back to a constructive forum,

You talking about prefilter material? Doo makes a pre-filter sock that wraps around the stock 04-07 sponge-like air filters on the outside of the side panels.
They used what looks like the same pre-filter on the outer airbox of the XP's.

The pre-filter material is available from SLP in different sized sheets. http://www.startinglineproducts.com/
Also an identical product made by OuterWears? available cheaper than SLP from Hi-Perforance Engineering. http://www.hiperf.com/

The stuff kicks azz. I've covered every hole on my 07. The hood, airbox back holes, nose vent, side panels. Absolutely no snow, water or ice under the hood anymore.

 

[badass1000]

We must all be a bunch of pansies. For years, we expected to fix all the factory crapp, now we just buy new sleds and think they're like new cars. Surely it'd be better if this sport was like street bikes where nothing ever breaks and we get new product about every 10 years. God knows I'd like to be riding a '97 670 or 700 that was bulletproof. That'd be lots more fun than riding a new 430 pound sled with 150hp.

When you say street bikes you must mean harley's. They are the only ones that only change every 10-20 years.
All the jap sport bikes are completly different every 2 years. The 1000cc sport bikes usually gain 10-15hp, drop a few pounds, and handle alot better every two years.
Never any problems with the jap bikes either. I don't even care what the warranty is and don't buy extended warranties. I have never had a problem with one of my over 8 new sport bikes I have had over the years. Well ok... My 360 hp turbo drag bike likes to take out rod bearings every 200 or so passes down the drag strip.
I won't ride a sled without a warranty. Get a 2 or 3 year warranty on a new sled and sell it before the warranty runs out.

 

[Goose Lake]

Market demands some exotic stuff nowdays to keep market share in dwindling market. I think we are being handed stuff thought to be ready for prime time but because it is so edgy without traditional years of work ups and slower releases of technology the customers are picking up some pieces. We accept it because we want the technology. We a can always buy a Yammie if we want trouble free stuff...serious! I miss the rock-solidness of years of Yammie but not the weight. I just LOVE my XP and I will figure out the issues. Any idea of the $ it takes to get under that 3# per hp? How about a $25K Clyde Park beauty? Ever seen one hit a pine cone? Ugly and expensive. We have the core of an awesome sled here and the issues, even the drive line are minor in the big picture...at least for me. Would I be happier with no issues? You bet! But like any first release I share in some oversites...and with the XP and it's grin factor...I can deal with it. Goose