Would you support postponing the 2020 elections if proposed by President Trump?

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35 percent getting subsidies, tax breaks, earmarks etc. and 35 percent getting handouts, free rides, pay w/o work etc. The richer and the poorer get it while 30 percent of hard working honest people pay for it. I agree with that 100 percent.

 

[Skidoox]

Problem

 

[Mafesto]

Problem

As simple as that is, believe it or not, some people still cannot understand it..

 

[Idcatman3]

35 percent getting subsidies, tax breaks, earmarks etc. and 35 percent getting handouts, free rides, pay w/o work etc. The richer and the poorer get it while 30 percent of hard working honest people pay for it. I agree with that 100 percent.

Problem

As simple as that is, believe it or not, some people still cannot understand it..

Not really relevant to (some) Trump supporters being willing to effectively end our democracy if he asked them to.

 

[Mafesto]

Not really relevant to (some) Trump supporters being willing to effectively end our democracy if he asked them to.

Heh, heh,
There you go again, just not getting it.

 

[polaris dude]

Not really relevant to (some) Trump supporters being willing to effectively end our democracy if he asked them to.

You are an idiot if you think anyone wants that. That story and everything with it is either maliciously manufactured by only asking people at a trailer park in the south or entirely fabricated. Sad you hang on every "news" story you've ever read.


EDIT: Just read the story. The hypothetical says POSTPONE until they can assure that only legitimate individuals can vote. You know, so those pesky liberal counties stop having more votes than registered voters. Weird how all the counties that have more votes than voters all vote blue somehow?? Crazy how that works, but that doesn't concern you in the slightest does it fella

 

[James T Kirk]

You are an idiot if you think anyone wants that. That story and everything with it is either maliciously manufactured by only asking people at a trailer park in the south or entirely fabricated. Sad you hang on every "news" story you've ever read.


EDIT: Just read the story. The hypothetical says POSTPONE until they can assure that only legitimate individuals can vote. You know, so those pesky liberal counties stop having more votes than registered voters. Weird how all the counties that have more votes than voters all vote blue somehow?? Crazy how that works, but that doesn't concern you in the slightest does it fella

Yea, ok... if that was true about more votes than voters then why do we have an orange nutcase in the whitehouse? Proof, or more trump lies??

 

[polaris dude]

Yea, ok... if that was true about more votes than voters then why do we have an orange nutcase in the whitehouse? Proof, or more trump lies??

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/0...voters-than-eligible-voters-in-2016-election/

They also have x2 refused to turn over their voter data. It could be a simple accounting error, but their refusal makes it difficult to determine.

http://www.investors.com/politics/e...n-live-adults-a-red-flag-for-electoral-fraud/


Same group on a wider scale outside of California. It doesn't determine which way the extra 3.5 million people vote.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...cords-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/

Detroit- too many votes in 37% of their precincts.


All of this took about 3 minutes of googling.

 

[James T Kirk]

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/0...voters-than-eligible-voters-in-2016-election/

They also have x2 refused to turn over their voter data. It could be a simple accounting error, but their refusal makes it difficult to determine.

http://www.investors.com/politics/e...n-live-adults-a-red-flag-for-electoral-fraud/


Same group on a wider scale outside of California. It doesn't determine which way the extra 3.5 million people vote.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...cords-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/

Detroit- too many votes in 37% of their precincts.


All of this took about 3 minutes of googling.

If you search "documented voter fraud" you get a different picture... check out http://www.factcheck.org/2017/01/more-trump-deception-on-voter-fraud/

I especially like the quote from Donny in that article "all the fraudulent votes went to Hillary, none to me". You think maybe, just maybe he is pushing this conspiracy to massage his ego due to the fact that he lost the popular vote? Nah, Donny would never do that... I recall something about bannon or one of his other puppies being registered in more then one state too, I'm sure his false vote went to Hillary.

Sometimes ya gotta look into the motives behind speculative news reports... the funny part is that if "massive voter fraud" was actually proven it would likely undermine his victory, considering it actually came down to something like 89,000 votes in a few states if I recall correctly. If it was actually that massive due to the reasons in the articles you cited there's no way it all went to one side

 

[Bacon]

Not really relevant to (some) Trump supporters being willing to effectively end our democracy if he asked them to.

We are a representative republic. I'm sure you know that right?

 

[Idcatman3]

We are a representative republic. I'm sure you know that right?

Ok, if you want to be pedantic, our "representative republic."

Same effect, IF the party in power decided to try to postpone (or cancel) elections, and a good number of the voters supported that, that's the beginning of a dictatorship.

I'm not going to say Trump is trying for this, this "study" isn't trying to say that. It's pointing out that a surprising number of Trump's supporters would support him doing that.

I think that's worth thinking about, and what would cause people to prefer a dictatorship to our representative government.

 

[LoudHandle]

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I think that's worth thinking about, and what would cause people to prefer a dictatorship to our representative government.

I don't want a dictatorship, but if you think our politicians are actually representing their constituents views while introducing laws and voting on them, you are delusional at best. The Modern Politician will bend whichever way gets him or her the best deal (read $$$, IE; Vacations, Fancy Cars, Boats, Apartments, Houses, etc.).

It would seem that the modern politician gets into politics for the money. That they receive via kickbacks and campaign contributions for swaying the vote the way the lobbyists, corporations, and others with the monetary means to influence the law in their favor.

It has not been "For the people, by the people" for nearly a century, now. Certainly not in my lifetime.

 

[Bacon]

I don't want a dictatorship, but if you think our politicians are actually representing their constituents views while introducing laws and voting on them, you are delusional at best. The Modern Politician will bend whichever way gets him or her the best deal (read $$$, IE; Vacations, Fancy Cars, Boats, Apartments, Houses, etc.).

It would seem that the modern politician gets into politics for the money. That they receive via kickbacks and campaign contributions for swaying the vote the way the lobbyists, corporations, and others with the monetary means to influence the law in their favor.

It has not been "For the people, by the people" for nearly a century, now. Certainly not in my lifetime.

Unfortunately, you are right. That's why both the left and right don't like Trump. He is rolling back regulations and rules. I believe he really is trying to drain the swamp but he is getting push back from all sides. Washington doesn't want to give up all the kick backs and bribes.

 

[Idcatman3]

I don't want a dictatorship, but if you think our politicians are actually representing their constituents views while introducing laws and voting on them, you are delusional at best. The Modern Politician will bend whichever way gets him or her the best deal (read $$$, IE; Vacations, Fancy Cars, Boats, Apartments, Houses, etc.).

It would seem that the modern politician gets into politics for the money. That they receive via kickbacks and campaign contributions for swaying the vote the way the lobbyists, corporations, and others with the monetary means to influence the law in their favor.

It has not been "For the people, by the people" for nearly a century, now. Certainly not in my lifetime.

Well I'll be. I agree with most of that. So I support publicly funded elections, and not being able to use government positions for personal profit. (I.E. forcing the secret service to pay for hotel rooms at a place owned by the president...)

I would like to reverse the Citizen's United Supreme Court decision, somehow, since I feel that has drastically contributed to the problem.

 

[Ox]

Four-deport all democrats and republicans!

WHIGS!


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[Pro-8250]

The U.S. Constitution does not grant the president the authority to set or change election dates. Article 1, Section 4 and Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution place that authority in the hands of the the individual states and the U.S. Congress. Since 1854, election day in the United States has been set as the Tuesday following the first Monday in November. Any change to that date would need to be approved by Congress.