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jeez...i leave the computor for a week or two to wrench on my sled, and then all this BS...some of you guys need to lay off the methamphetamine. call me a tree-hugger/hippy whatever you want, if you knew me you would know that pretty far from the truth. i am not some "save the wolves" greeny, how many of those guys advocate killing even a single wolf? my whole point originally is that wolves need to have their numbers managed. I have ZERO problem with hunting wolves. I have ZERO problem with eradicating problem wolves/packs that prey on livestock. and i think that this judge up in montana that keeps trying to put wolves and grizzly bears back on the endanged species list is an idiot that is not playing with all the facts. however, having open season all year long with rednecks running around in the woods with guns seems like a stupid idea to me. I do agree 100% that some areas have a serious overpopulation of wolves. idaho for example has over 1000 wolves...that is waaaay too many wolves. this sounds like a place that is in need of some serious management....(ie. hunting). in fact i think idaho could probably hunt more than 220 wolves a season and be just fine. but that is what management is...a plan to achieve certain numbers in certain places. some places have a lot of wolves that are a problem and need to be dealt with..and they should be dealt with. but certain places don't have a problem like others do. i still stand by my original assessment that wolves in the jackson hole area and in the gros ventre are not waaay over population, and are not a problem currently. this may not be the case where you live, and if it isn't, i say go ahead and hunt until it isn't a problem..i don't care. seems to me like this years wolf hunt in idaho and montana went just fine...and mabye after a few years of hunts all of the states can get their populations under control and keep them under control. but this what i am talking about when i say managing wolves..keeping population numbers under control so that they don't become a problem. just like g&f sets target numbers for moose, deer, elk, buffalo..they should do the same for wolves, and they should use the hunting season and its quotas to try and achieve and sustain those numbers. you guys all seem to think the guys at g&f are idiots, but i bet these guys have waaay more of a handle on the facts and the issues with this stuff than anybody on this board does.

and lastly, as for the whole elk issue...are you sure you are not just suffering from a little hunter jealousy? you think its wrong for wolves to hunt, because you want it to be EASIER for you to hunt. i would believe the whole "save the elk" rhetoric a whole lot more if it wasen't coming from a guy dressed in cheesy cabelas camo with a shotgun in hand. want more elk? don't take out tags this year. hunters kill 3-4x as many elk in the gros ventre drainage as wolves do annually. i'm not saying hunting elk is wrong in any way (i think elk is delicious), but just playing devils advocate here. fwiw, all of my friends that had elk tags this season filled them early in the season. heck, i even have a friend that has shot his elk roadside from the gros ventre river road for the second year in a row. but i still hear that its hard hunting here in jackson from dudes that live like 8 hours away and can't even spell the name of the mountain range correctly (or even close). perhaps this dude should try to haul his fat a$$ farther than a 1/2 mile from the road before he starts complaining that the hunting is difficult in a place that probaly has the highest hunter success rate in the state.

end of rant...now back to figuring out what the F is wrong with this POS ski doo sitting in my back yard. snow is here

chris
 
i dont live in wyoming but i do visit along with idaho and montana and everytime i talk to a local i keep hearing the same thing kill them all i really believe there is a serious problem with them i believe if they were going to bring back wolves then they should do it with a spiecies of the same size and i really believe that if they are becoming like the coyotes are then treat them like the coyotes year round season jmho.lets just say if i saw one in the rode would i swerve to miss no id nail the throttle
 
Seems to me that the biggest problem is the over population of people. If you can't see that then you are truly blind. Move away from the mountains and into a city if you hate wildlife so G.D. much! Then tell me how that ends up working out for ya! I bet you end up seeing that the wolves aren't so f!@#ing bad! ;);)
 
Seems to me that the biggest problem is the over population of people. If you can't see that then you are truly blind. Move away from the mountains and into a city if you hate wildlife so G.D. much! Then tell me how that ends up working out for ya! I bet you end up seeing that the wolves aren't so f!@#ing bad! ;);)


Wolves aren't bad. But an overpopulation of them is.

I know you have a couple wolves down there in Colorado, but you don't have an over population yet. Wait til you see what they've done to your animal herds in a couple years.
 
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I groom the trails on togwotee pass and I see wolves almost every clear night. They run about 50 yrds behind the groomer!!! I have even jumped out to check my drag and been startled by them running within 50 yds. There are alot more wolves than G and F knows about. Go out to "W" trail at night and try no to at least run into their fresh tracks. I came onto them tearing a calf elk open last winter right on the "CD" trail.

Im posting a pic of the calf elk and of a pack's tracks on my freshly groomed trail.

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I groom the trails on togwotee pass and I see wolves almost every clear night. They run about 50 yrds behind the groomer!!! I have even jumped out to check my drag and been startled by them running within 50 yds. There are alot more wolves than G and F knows about. Go out to "W" trail at night and try no to at least run into their fresh tracks. I came onto them tearing a calf elk open last winter right on the "CD" trail.

Im posting a pic of the calf elk and of a pack's tracks on my freshly groomed trail.

There you go!! Ya there is a problem with Wolfs. The G and F can't do much about this. They have there hands tied by the bureaucrats in Washington.
 
Wolves aren't bad. But an overpopulation of them is.

I know you have a couple wolves down there in Colorado, but you don't have an over population yet. Wait til you see what they've done to your animal herds in a couple years.

First inteligent statement on this post. Thanks! I still think too many humans is the biggest problem of all. The way we are compounding our population growth is scary. We need a separate thread on controlling the human pop. I guess.:beer;
 
You may be able to kill the wolf, but you'll never stop the pack.. We are born to roam! When I'm out sledding I wear this shirt. It makes me one with the wolf.

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First inteligent statement on this post. Thanks! I still think too many humans is the biggest problem of all. The way we are compounding our population growth is scary. We need a separate thread on controlling the human pop. I guess.:beer;

Thats why we have wars, it population control :)
 
You either can't type or you aren't as smart as you think you are. They killed them all for a reason.

Everything is done for a reason.It's just a matter of weather the reason is right or not.They were originally all killed due to fear and ignorance.I guess wiping out the Buffalo pop. was a good thing too.If things don't work in our favor we just go ahead and change it, right?We are the only animals who change our surroundings instead of adapting to them.Think before you type.Open your eyes and your mind.;)
 
I see no problem with wolves in YELLOWSTONE PARK!!!! They never should have allowed the wolves to leave the park. Any of you old farts remember all the problems they had with the wolves right from the beginning in the Sunlight country. A calf had to be in the jaws of a wolf before the rancher could kill him. Remember the g&f guy and the helecopter pilot that got charged with tresspassing for setting down on one of those ranchers land? I agree 100% with letting them be in the park, but when they leave the park, its time for a bullet, just like the buffalo. There is only room for 1 alpha predator outside the park, and that is man.

Its a slow day at work...........
 
I groom the trails on togwotee pass and I see wolves almost every clear night. They run about 50 yrds behind the groomer!!! I have even jumped out to check my drag and been startled by them running within 50 yds. There are alot more wolves than G and F knows about. Go out to "W" trail at night and try no to at least run into their fresh tracks. I came onto them tearing a calf elk open last winter right on the "CD" trail.

Im posting a pic of the calf elk and of a pack's tracks on my freshly groomed trail.

I too groom some of our trails it is amazing what we see!!!
The G & F knows that there is way more wolfs than they want us to think. They figue if they say there is just a few then we won't know the diffreance, and will just let if be. OR. has done the samething with there numbers. IMO The Government has a lager agenda, If the deer and elk numbers are to low to have a hunting season then there will not be a need for your elk rifle any more. ? Why is it that we are protecting all the predetors? I live in north eastern OR. our state is controled by and bunch of bleeding heart libs. and us ranchers have no say in anything on our side of the state. WY. has a way better chance to get there wolf population under control than we done. That is if you can control the tree huggen bunny loven squiral screwen fags. Our cow calf survial ratio is about 3% yes that right 3% live past the first yr. and our elk population is half of WY. IMO those of you that think haveing the wolf is O.K. have no idea what your asking for. The people that have worked very hard to get the wolf back are the same people that are trying to close our public access and make it in to more wilderness.
These types of people are taking money for our towns and coummitys. By reduceing recreation. I will not go in to the ranching end of this. I will save that for another post. This one is about our elk. IMO if your for the wolfs then your one of the same that whats to close up more land!!!! Not trying to ofend just how I see if.
 
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geeesh!

I think some people are confused and others are just stupid but in the end we are all doing our best to deal with our own reality. Where I live wolves aren't a problem yet but when they become one, I'm sure we will deal with it in the way that makes the most sense. What I don't understand is how a guy from Breckenridge, CO calling himself Powdersnobb can know what makes sense for another man living in WY or anywhere, dealing with a wolf problem.
Did you really read the rant that started this whole debate? I'm no expert but I have enough common sense to know when someone is full of ****!! (200) if you gonna spew **** that we are supposed to take seriously, atleast make it somewhat realistic!!!

The "Richard" thing was pretty F/N funny though.. still laughing over that!!
 
i think some people are confused and others are just stupid but in the end we are all doing our best to deal with our own reality. Where i live wolves aren't a problem yet but when they become one, i'm sure we will deal with it in the way that makes the most sense. What i don't understand is how a guy from breckenridge, co calling himself powdersnobb can know what makes sense for another man living in wy or anywhere, dealing with a wolf problem.
Did you really read the rant that started this whole debate? I'm no expert but i have enough common sense to know when someone is full of ****!! (200) if you gonna spew **** that we are supposed to take seriously, atleast make it somewhat realistic!!!

The "richard" thing was pretty f/n funny though.. Still laughing over that!!

lol!!!;)
 
Everything is done for a reason.It's just a matter of weather the reason is right or not.They were originally all killed due to fear and ignorance.I guess wiping out the Buffalo pop. was a good thing too.If things don't work in our favor we just go ahead and change it, right?We are the only animals who change our surroundings instead of adapting to them.Think before you type.Open your eyes and your mind.;)

They killed them because they are destructive they are. You sound like a apizza hut manager with your open your eyes and mind comment. Did you just disappear and change your name there FLY.
 
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